Flying coverall availability
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Max - I may be a minority amongst stackers (tho I think not), but I'd really love to say 'yes' to every request for kit, especially to those who need it to do their job. What gets my goat is when those who do not need such specialist protective equipment, and let us not forget that, purloin it for their own use. When highly paid help decide all stewards at certain secret Oxfordshire bases should wear flying suits that they were NEVER scaled for, a huge number of flying suits vanished from the system. You do the sums. Since those early days of this thread it has degenerated into childish banter - one of the reasons I read PPRUNE. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />
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What utter nonesence SNAFU & SuperStacker,. .I agree that many of us wear flying suits on days we don't fly, but so what? What is your problem?. .Would you wear one if you were aircrew?. .Have you ever been into a sqn groundcrew crewroom? You won't see aircraft groundcrew all sitting around in neatly pressed blue shirts etc. they will be in their working dress - denims. But does anyone complain about that? of course not, because those of us with half a brain cell understand and appreciate that it's just not important! . .Do you complain about dentists wearing coveralls as well?. .The thing that grips our $hit is that when we go to stores to get a new suit, we are often told 'sorry Sir, we aint got any!' particularly when your mates in movements, supply officers, ukmams and every man and his dog in the supply world has a nice new flying suit hanging up in their offices. . .Why is it, when you have such a low opinion of aircrew, you so much want to dress like us? could it be just a hint of jealousy I wonder?. .Of course if you think you're up to joining us, then feel free! aircrew are crying out for recruits in all branches, and we'de love to meet you.. .In the meantime, keep stacking them blankets, counting them beans and find something worthwhile to bleat about.. .. .Power to the flight deck. .MM. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 13:29: Message edited by: MagicMan ]</small>
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Magic Man. .I suggest you fully read the profiles of the people you are having a go at. That way, you will not make yourself look such a massive chimp when you reply.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Working dress is 3A in the RN (denims) and overalls are worn when working on the aircraft. I suspect we may have had a bit more interaction with our groundcrew than you, being locked in with them in a ship for 3 months at a time. You also wont see a dentist in their gown every hour of the day, whether they are having a surgery or not.. .To go back to the original reason for this thread, I agree that if all the hangers on stopped drawing the kit, it may be available for those who are actually in the job. On the other hand, knicks and flip flops in hotter climates works just as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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We have NOT run out of the kit because of unauthorised use by non-aircrew or inappropriate use by aircrew. These activities have been happening for many years and have not been an issue in previously due to the copious amounts of gear that was available (too much sometimes).. .. .Our current shortage is simply because we do not now have a contracted supplier. It is inevitable that we would run out.. .. .Why are we accusing each other, when we need only look upwards with disdain?
In an attempt to drag this thread back to it's original topic, namely the lack of flying coveralls, I would ask the question "is anyone out there suffering from other flying clothing shortages?". It is impossible to get any longjohns in my current location, and they are just commercially available Jockeys for goodness sake, which you can get on most high streets! Not so long ago it was flying socks that were like rocking horse pooh!. .. .I have a theory that it is all part of a conspiracy by the Treasury to save money by slowly getting us to buy all our own kit. People are already buying their own sleeping bags, waterproofs, boots, torches .... etc. . .. .Remember, just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
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Superstacker did get one thing right!!!! it wasnt the sqn or the stewards who decided that everybody on the VC10 and Tristar fleet!!! ooops sorry forgot "ageing" fleet should wear gro-bags, it was way up the line!!! hence the sudden demand to kit out the "crew" . .Blues worked well enough and personally i prefered them!! apart from having to iron a shirt everyday. .As for wearing my flying suit all the time! I dont come to work unless i am going flying or going in the sim!!! and more to the point if I do come in to work for niff naff and trivia (not often) if i aint got my flying kit available then i cant be called on to go flying at short notice!! And if the response to that is keep it in a locker, fine get me a locker over in flying clothing coz there aint room on the sqn, and man it 24/7, contrary to popular belief Brize is a 24/7 unit.. .It still confuses me tho why the Movers and Police have to wear flying kit down the back of the 10 or the tri-motor.. .bring back blues on the A/T fleet is what i say!!!! and only were flying suit for ops!!!!
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Dunno if such a move is available these days, but when we moved from the old two piece goon suits into the snazzy new one piece, as junior sub on 826 I was last in line. When no suits were available, the Boss signalled Admiralty that we were no longer fully operational as a front line squadron, citing lack of kit.. .. .New goon suit found within 24 hours.. .. .Or is this too simplistic in this modern age of electronic communications, or don't the current range of Bosses have the wherewithall to make such prognostications?
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Gentlemen,. .. .The issue of what to wear ... such an emotive issue the world over.. .. .I found the UK stores system exasperating to say the least, they do seem to be in 'stores denial' mode, however .... .. .If there is a lack of those stylish open necked green bags (and Lord knows I kept a couple to keep as souvenirs) spare a thought for the gopping 'hearts and bunnies' flying clothing we in HM Australian Army Aviation are supplied with ... . .. .It don't matter what you're wearing, it's what you act like wearing it.. .. .Perhaps the chick need to be made aware that your blues / indoor working dress still conceals that 10" dong she perceives hiding in a zoom bag?!!. .. .A famous General once said:. .. ."The better we dress the soldier, the more he will be admired by the ladies, and consequently, himself". .. .I imagine Freud read the RMA Leadership Manual .... .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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Since starting this thread, I have now heard strong rumours of bright orange flying suits being introduced to the system. I know certain of our European colleagues have AEA of this type. If true, how would it be met by the RAF, and would UKMAMS et al still want to wear it?
I was going to start suggesting bright orange flying suits a while ago when the nanny society started making people wear those b£oody stupid yellow road-digger's bibs! Plus it'd make the transition to EasyJet easier for many!. .. .Still waiting for my Boots (Lightweight) Size 8 medium - and have been since 8 Nov 01....... .. .Perhaps the future's bright, the future's really going to be orange?. . . . <small>[ 19 March 2002, 08:25: Message edited by: BEagle ]</small>
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Beagle,. .. .Hmmm future brightness eh..??. .. .Does that mean those of us who work for Orange will now be able to wear flying suits to work each day? If so, I'd better dig out those old Mk14A grow bags I have in the wardrobe. It puts 'dress down' Fridays in a whole new light...??. .. .On a serious note, I hope your kit shortages are sorted quickly, as a tax payer I'd like to think the guys get the kit they need, when they need it.
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I can get my hands on a supply of slightly soiled Canadian flying suits if anyone's interested.......... .. .I'll get my coat <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
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Cooperman,. .. .So you have time to look at PPRuNe! . .. .A friend. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 20 March 2002, 17:45: Message edited by: It's Not Over Until...... ]</small>
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I had to get a new grow bag recently due to POL contamination. .due to the shortage of kit I had to make do with a second hand. .suite. The good thing is it was previously a females, it had a. .rather strange but quaint smell to it!!. .(when we are not moaning about money)
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Short of Gro-bags. Get in touch with the guy off Channel 4's 'Salvage Squad'. He seems to have plenty of them. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 20 March 2002, 20:55: Message edited by: PICKS135 ]</small>
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once snagged a canberra drivers suit due to knacked neck seal. They were staying overnight so I got a neck seal and fixed it myself in the flying clothing section. Next night he went off back home quite a happy man. Why didnt the squippers do the repair themselves, SH ?
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Only been waiting a few months for kit.....Get in the Queue!. .. .I have been here in Cyprus on 84 Sqn since Jan 01, squippers put in order for 2 lightweight flying suits (quite essential when it's 40 degs and you are sat in awessex for 4-5 hours doing firefighting in the summer...gets a bit warm like). . .. .In Sep two fling suits turned up marked as 15T (tropical), but looked and felt strangely familiar to normal ones. Squippers phoned the suppliers and were told "there are no 15T flying suits anymore due to the lack of a manufacture, so we just label the ordinary ones as 15T, what's the problem?". .. .Oh what a wonderful military world we live in, I think I was supposed to keep on stewing. Problem was only solved by my being grounded for back problems, hence no need for suits anymore for me anyway!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. ."I see you are using Bonetti's defence"... "It seemed suitable with the rocky terrain"
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Lovely orange flying suits, now there's a top idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . .. .I could wear it over my lovely bright immersion/survival suit in case I ended up in the water. In case of conflict (oh yes, we are a fighting force!) I would have nice green flying suits too - you know, tactical stuff in case I end up in the nasty mans back yard. (You never know, I might even get issued with those lovely sandy coloured ones, since that is the colour of the ground I seem to see most often these days.) So, I could have a bigger colour choice and the best bit is, since it is free it costs me nothing. Oh, hang on! I pay taxes, so I will be paying for all those extra flying suits in the many available colours planned. Jolly good idea! I am convinced that their Airships that come up with these great ideas have shares in the companies that supply us.. .. .Mad Mark!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />
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It's Not Over Until......howdy. Did you note the time of my post? I was at work, obviously!. .. .Jokin' aside...wanna buy some cheap blue gear? CF are all wearin' US stuff now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />