Magic Man. .I suggest you fully read the profiles of the people you are having a go at. That way, you will not make yourself look such a massive chimp when you reply.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Working dress is 3A in the RN (denims) and overalls are worn when working on the aircraft. I suspect we may have had a bit more interaction with our groundcrew than you, being locked in with them in a ship for 3 months at a time. You also wont see a dentist in their gown every hour of the day, whether they are having a surgery or not.. .To go back to the original reason for this thread, I agree that if all the hangers on stopped drawing the kit, it may be available for those who are actually in the job. On the other hand, knicks and flip flops in hotter climates works just as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />