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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:19
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RAF Smugglers!

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RAF smugglers use hero coffin flights to bring cigarettes into UK | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:33
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They are believed to be movements staff, ranging from junior private equivalents to a warrant officer.
Here we go again.......
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I am a mover and before the venom hits, I would like to say most of the trade will hangs head in shame at this.

I hope all involved go down for a very long time and lose all the benefits this scam has brought them.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 08:56
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Sneaking back a bit of booze for personal use from on det is one thing. This is something else...........
And to use the cover of the dead..........! That beggars belief.
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Well Done Tom Newton Dunn...the force's favourite hack...nicely reported..
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just shows the level of some in the armed forces.

But what do we expect the armed forces reflects the country it recruits from and maybe were getting the armed forces we deserve.
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Was this not the plot line for the flick "American Gangsters"? Did they get the idea from here? Shameful if it's true.
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Even these idiots wouldn't have the gall or intelligence to specifically target repatriations. They have commited an offence, and they will get punished. But be wary of letting the tabloids turn this into something it is not.
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Looks like the Pprune Outrage Bus is being wheeled out for a grand tour.
As the poster above says, some movers were smuggling fags in boxes of PEs. These boxes may or may not have been on the same aircraft as coffins. The fags weren't in coffins
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All doors closed, you're in the process of starting the engines at an international airport (with a resident RAF handling team) and you have a slot time to make. Then the cargo door light illuminates for a few seconds, before extinguishing again.

What would you do?

(Old Ground Cat question!).
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Old 22nd May 2009, 10:12
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This is about 2-4 weeks ago. Using ISO I am told so not necessarily in PE boxes but lookalikes.

The BEagle door issue is a bit too amateurish.
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Sneaking back a bit of booze for personal use from on det is one thing.
Everybody expects and knows that happens and most in command while not turning a blind eye to it will allow personnel some leeway within reason.

However when morons decide they wish to engage in private enterprise like the alledged incidents then you have no option but to tackle head on.

When people go down the route alledged, they then start to make decisions which are primarily in their own interests, rather than in the interests of the service as a whole. Also they are more likely to take risks because of the greater pay back.

The question will be raised that how can people believe it was only cigarettes and not Afghanistan's other famous export.
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A fair while ago a Herc nearly tipped on its arse when loading was complete. The reason? Some brave little soldier had filled spaces in some pongo machinery with contraband, then bodge taped over them......

Nevertheless, PN, I am told that it happened......
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Herc Dry Bays

Surely if someone is serious about setting up a serious smuggling operation, C-130 "dry bays" on the upper wing would be better than coffins/PE boxes???

Hope UK C & E isnt reading this
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Old 22nd May 2009, 10:42
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It was my understanding these Feckers got pinched for this a long time ago, have their charges only just been presided on?

Or is this a different group?

Truly, truly disgraceful. I have a lot of lattitude with movers, all in all a good group of lads and lasses that work very hard and get slated by aircrew. I think most movers agree though that using PE's boxes to smuggle in tabs is quite frankly, an offence which deserves a significant custodial sentence.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 11:06
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It is funny that every other story the Sun prints on this board is met with 'utter buffoonery' calls. Yet every word is believed regarding this story


Let the ivory tower brigade begin.
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If this is true, those responsible deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered in a public arena.
But, firstly we need to let the disciplinary system do its duty, an secondly, two people out of a trade of several hundred is not justification for villifying an entire trade, some of whom work very hard.

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I agree with racedo: a bit here, a bit there never hurt anybody. People get caught when they get greedy. First time maybe they managed a to get a carton of 200 in. Once they've finessed that the next stop is a master carton of 10,000. After confirming an outlet for more goods it's a 40' container with 8,000,000 in.

These guys got greedy and no doubt if they weren't stopped the bad guys they were selling to would have upped the game and started asking for something a little more valuable and a little less bulky. We've all seen the film Layer Cake, once you're in the only way out is in a box.

After these idiots have been sent down the Proceeds Of Crime Act should kick in and empty their bank accounts, drag their kids out of fee paying schools, strip the fancy clothes off their wives backs and repo their cars.

GREEDY AMATEURS
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GREEDY AMATEURS
Ah. So. If they had been greedy professionals it would have been ok then?
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No, they would be elected MP's.
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