RAF Smugglers!
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You make the movers sound like Nuns. I never came across one that couldn't be bribed to let something through.
I won't go into details but I did fairly well over the years, but I never took the piss, allways stuff for me and close mates never anything to sell on for profit etc.
I won't go into details but I did fairly well over the years, but I never took the piss, allways stuff for me and close mates never anything to sell on for profit etc.
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From: not entirely sure.....
I've heard this story from 2 different (not press) sources.
We're talking about commercial quantitites into Lyneham and Brize. What concerns me is what the Afghans will do with all the hard currency going the other way - I wouldn't be surprised if the cash makes its way to a few of the anti-west factions.....
S78
We're talking about commercial quantitites into Lyneham and Brize. What concerns me is what the Afghans will do with all the hard currency going the other way - I wouldn't be surprised if the cash makes its way to a few of the anti-west factions.....
S78
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From: Former Home of the Hercules, Wilts
Sadly this is nothing new. Having been at Rompers Green for the last 22 years I know that there have been individuals from all parts of the trucking empire inolved in scams like this. The difference is that this time they got caught and rightly so. Perhaps it will be a lesson to all. The sad thing is that a lot of people have worked hard and their efforts have now been overshadowed by the stupidity of a small minority.
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From: AKT
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A bit? New cars, mortgages paid off, cash found in one of the houses? Sounds like you are trying to pretend this is only about 400 fags. Get real they are deep in the poo and deserve everything they get.
Of course they deserve what they get. The thing that annoyed me over all this was the sun jumping up and down spouting bollocks.
A bit? New cars, mortgages paid off, cash found in one of the houses? Sounds like you are trying to pretend this is only about 400 fags. Get real they are deep in the poo and deserve everything they get.
Of course they deserve what they get. The thing that annoyed me over all this was the sun jumping up and down spouting bollocks.
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From: UK
If you wanted to go by what (as a civilian) you're allowed, UK customs wise, then yes there's no limit (other than that it has to be for personal consumption) but you have to provide proof of purchase and proof that they are tax paid. Your chogie cleaner at BAS won't be able to provide you with either. So either way the bottom line is, it's an allowance of 200.
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From: Herts, UK
"Air Movs personnel are as equally appalled as everyone else; perhaps they are best placed to root out the miscreants"
Erm, no. I'd say RAFP SIB are best placed to root out the miscreants. It's their job. Air Movs Personnel are best employed on air movements. Not on investigating crime.
Erm, no. I'd say RAFP SIB are best placed to root out the miscreants. It's their job. Air Movs Personnel are best employed on air movements. Not on investigating crime.
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From: Herts, UK
Customs had these people under surveillance for months.
Downsizer, do yourself a favour, stick to something you know something about.
RAFP SIB doing speed checks? That'll be why they're level 3 qualified investigators.... Station lads do speed checks. Level 3 investigators cover serious crime. Do keep up, idiot, and refrain from commenting on things where you have no professional knowledge.
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From: UK
The tightest procedures and heaviest security will never defeat human nature. Some people will always be tempted to break the law for personnal gain, whatever the risk.
That said I find the airside security at military airports lamentable, especially when compared to civil airports. Maybe this will be reviewed now.
downziser - Customs do not have the manpower to do what you suggest. They cant be everywhere all the time.
I think it is a sad day for the movements trade, especially when you consider the actions of a minority have cast a shadow over the majority. The guys responsible should get whatever can be thrown at them civil and service.
I also dont think the trade has a bad reputation, the majority of posts here back that up. A slagging fest is not what is needed right now.
That said I find the airside security at military airports lamentable, especially when compared to civil airports. Maybe this will be reviewed now.
downziser - Customs do not have the manpower to do what you suggest. They cant be everywhere all the time.
I think it is a sad day for the movements trade, especially when you consider the actions of a minority have cast a shadow over the majority. The guys responsible should get whatever can be thrown at them civil and service.
I also dont think the trade has a bad reputation, the majority of posts here back that up. A slagging fest is not what is needed right now.
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From: Lincolnshire
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From: Somewhere......
If they are proven guilty, regardless of whether or not they abused repat flights, then...bast*rds.
I simply cannot fathom why someone would wish to risk their jobs and reputation for an extra 200 B+H. Meanwhile they're conduct will have an serious effects on the rest of us.
I simply cannot fathom why someone would wish to risk their jobs and reputation for an extra 200 B+H. Meanwhile they're conduct will have an serious effects on the rest of us.
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From: Chabanais, France
In the old days up to about 168 days detention was done at MCTC Colchester, anything more Sheppton Mallet until it closed. Will these people be tried under the military or the civilian system?
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From: Magic Kingdom
There seems to be a few posters on here who seem to condone smuggling, as long as it is in small quantities. I'm not going to jump on the outrage express but just for the record if you bring in any quantity over the HMRC limit, or sell-on your duty-free, then you have broken the law - it's your choice.
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From: Blighty
One thing aircrew should take note of is that if HMRC do a rummage and find contraband on a miitary aircraft, it takes a lot of convincing talk to persude them that as the captain you are not involved. I know this from experience!
After my incident, I found I was the subject of more rummages than could be considered usual. On a return form one detachment, I heard a rumour that one passenger was significantly over his limit. I got everyone on the flight to sign a declaration that they understood the limits and that they were persoanlly responsible for all their excess duty.
One thing I have found is that if you do want to bring in something expensive over the limit, a call to HMRC to discuss it is well worth the time. I have bought in an expensive watch and a set of golf clubs in the past. They seem to appreciate your honesty and are very amenable to come to an arrangement which is usually in your favour.
After my incident, I found I was the subject of more rummages than could be considered usual. On a return form one detachment, I heard a rumour that one passenger was significantly over his limit. I got everyone on the flight to sign a declaration that they understood the limits and that they were persoanlly responsible for all their excess duty.
One thing I have found is that if you do want to bring in something expensive over the limit, a call to HMRC to discuss it is well worth the time. I have bought in an expensive watch and a set of golf clubs in the past. They seem to appreciate your honesty and are very amenable to come to an arrangement which is usually in your favour.
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From: Around
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I do stick to what I know thanks. You'll note that the person you quoted has a subtly different user name....the same person who clones ID's on here and e-goat to stir up trouble...
Downsizer, do yourself a favour, stick to something you know something about.
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
"Air Movs personnel are as equally appalled as everyone else; perhaps they are best placed to root out the miscreants"
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I wasn’t trying to make this into a movers bashing thread, I have defended you lot in the past, but it is rapidly going that way.
Please read my first post on this carefully, I am not saying I think the entire movement’s trade is open to bribery, I am saying that I never came across someone who for a slab etc wouldn’t overlook the 5 Gps’s in my bergan coming back from an American base, or the 3 packs of fags when I’m entitled to 2. And before anyone starts yes it is against the law, and yes if you get caught you can’t moan about it, but that’s the risk you take when breaking the law.
It’s interesting to see everyone moan on here about it when I bet 99% of us have had a beer that has arrived having bypassed customs or a cigarette, or had that new watch on our wrist that we never went out with.
If you are taking the mick and bringing in stupid amounts they deserve everything they get, just let’s not forget most of us have done it, and if you honestly think the majority are innocent you haven’t been in the forces very long.
Please read my first post on this carefully, I am not saying I think the entire movement’s trade is open to bribery, I am saying that I never came across someone who for a slab etc wouldn’t overlook the 5 Gps’s in my bergan coming back from an American base, or the 3 packs of fags when I’m entitled to 2. And before anyone starts yes it is against the law, and yes if you get caught you can’t moan about it, but that’s the risk you take when breaking the law.
It’s interesting to see everyone moan on here about it when I bet 99% of us have had a beer that has arrived having bypassed customs or a cigarette, or had that new watch on our wrist that we never went out with.
If you are taking the mick and bringing in stupid amounts they deserve everything they get, just let’s not forget most of us have done it, and if you honestly think the majority are innocent you haven’t been in the forces very long.
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From: UK
Most of the posters are posting on assumption or gossip which has almost certainly come from the Movers. Now the press have got hold of it, wait and see what the NOTW come out with. This never happened on Thursday its been going on for a while,(it has been kept within the service enviroment) all of a sudden lots of experts in the know are ranting on about how the 'Movers' have messed it up for everyone. Let the relevant people do their investigations and I know we will be surprised at the size of it when its all resolved. Ben Hur does spring to mind.
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From: Syracuse
This particular case has been ongoing and well "gossiped" about in theatre for months.
Lets just wait on the trial and verdict of the individuals involved, and I for one believe they deserve to be made a good example of and given a severe punishment, but please lets not degenerate this thread into another "Movers bashing" one, as we all know it only takes a few rotten apples to bring us all down.
Lets think before we post, everyone is working extremely hard at present to get the task completed, so lets not slag one particular trade off just because of a few greedy individuals.
Lets just wait on the trial and verdict of the individuals involved, and I for one believe they deserve to be made a good example of and given a severe punishment, but please lets not degenerate this thread into another "Movers bashing" one, as we all know it only takes a few rotten apples to bring us all down.
Lets think before we post, everyone is working extremely hard at present to get the task completed, so lets not slag one particular trade off just because of a few greedy individuals.