Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
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the government will provide the cash by 'quantative easing'
2. Quantitative easing is intended to stimulate spending by increasing available cedit (possibly boosting tax revenues) but will devalue the pound and not hugely affect the defence budget.
3. So where IS the money coming from?
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Don't see how they can cut our pensions - is that not a change in terms of service relating to our final pension?
Change of pension should lead to everyone re-assessing their TOS - I'm sure that we could refuse the change? How would we stand on leaving due to a change of 'contract'
I elected to transfer to AFPS 05 and have, what I believe, is a pretty binding pension offer/forecast. How would the government go about legally changing or altering this pension which is linked to my PAS terms?
I reckon a good legal team could tear holes in most of any planned changes - if it does happen I can see a large number of PVRs going in. Especially if the civilian airline market picks up - watch those ATPL holding military pilots rush for the door!!
Flying pay review will probably be shelved/ignored along with PAS 2009/10. If CEA is cut then the MOD will lose one of it's greatest retention schemes.
Time for this government to go - we need a strong defence-minded ruling body before our armed forces crumble and die
Change of pension should lead to everyone re-assessing their TOS - I'm sure that we could refuse the change? How would we stand on leaving due to a change of 'contract'
I elected to transfer to AFPS 05 and have, what I believe, is a pretty binding pension offer/forecast. How would the government go about legally changing or altering this pension which is linked to my PAS terms?
I reckon a good legal team could tear holes in most of any planned changes - if it does happen I can see a large number of PVRs going in. Especially if the civilian airline market picks up - watch those ATPL holding military pilots rush for the door!!
Flying pay review will probably be shelved/ignored along with PAS 2009/10. If CEA is cut then the MOD will lose one of it's greatest retention schemes.
Time for this government to go - we need a strong defence-minded ruling body before our armed forces crumble and die
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just spent time reading forum as the suns gone down and the wine bottle is empty, realised how much i miss the crew room banter after 16 years in serious street. credit crunch is the same in spain but the weather, tapas and wine better. your still doing a good job, from an old sumpy
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Don't see how they can cut our pensions - is that not a change in terms of service relating to our final pension?
Back in 1935 I think it was, the then Labour government cut forces wages. Was that not a change of contract? If parliament agrees I suppose they can do as they please.
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Firstly, having made several comments on this thread, I have said from the start, that I thought 1.5% was in the offing, and with that, I see 2.8% as a result!
However, as serveral other posters have explained, 2.8% does not actually relate to a pay rise, it actually relates to a pay cut (in 'real' terms). So, the 'other' angle on this thread, of doffing cap... and saying what a great deal we got is bo((ocks! (In my view).
As one poster mentioned; When the private sector are doing well, we get F-all and when they are doing poorly we get F-all! So please, mend your breaking hearts, and be happy that for once the F-all is more than the others 'Less-Than-F-all' !
As for pensions, I think you'll find that we don't have an employment 'contract' as such. Consequently (and this is certainly true for officers), we are essentially at 'her majesty's pleasure'. Bottom line, they can remove our pension as look at us. Drop our pay, cancel R-R incentives, send us ALL to Valley!!!!!! it's their (Brown's) choice.
They own the ball, it's their field, in their garden and we just got invited for tea.
If they hurt us in our (peacetime) work, sure we can claim (under HS), but be under no illusion........... we are serving military, and as such, 'servants' of the crown in the most base sense. In respect of pay and allowances........ it's totally their game, same for pensions.
ALL bets are off.
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However, as serveral other posters have explained, 2.8% does not actually relate to a pay rise, it actually relates to a pay cut (in 'real' terms). So, the 'other' angle on this thread, of doffing cap... and saying what a great deal we got is bo((ocks! (In my view).
As one poster mentioned; When the private sector are doing well, we get F-all and when they are doing poorly we get F-all! So please, mend your breaking hearts, and be happy that for once the F-all is more than the others 'Less-Than-F-all' !
As for pensions, I think you'll find that we don't have an employment 'contract' as such. Consequently (and this is certainly true for officers), we are essentially at 'her majesty's pleasure'. Bottom line, they can remove our pension as look at us. Drop our pay, cancel R-R incentives, send us ALL to Valley!!!!!! it's their (Brown's) choice.
They own the ball, it's their field, in their garden and we just got invited for tea.
If they hurt us in our (peacetime) work, sure we can claim (under HS), but be under no illusion........... we are serving military, and as such, 'servants' of the crown in the most base sense. In respect of pay and allowances........ it's totally their game, same for pensions.
ALL bets are off.
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PS: For any Government 'Gook', looking in on this.....
Trust me, you haven't just discovered a fool proof way of saving your Boss 15Bn. What you've seen is the way that your 'Boss' will cause the biggest 'De-mob' since 1945, and that won't be his / her plan, but it certainly will be seen (after) as your fault!
If the Gov want a professional, well educated and motivated miliatry, they have to accept the costs. If they want a conscript 'Defence Force', then they will have to accept the 'costs' of that.
They can't have both. Choose.
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Trust me, you haven't just discovered a fool proof way of saving your Boss 15Bn. What you've seen is the way that your 'Boss' will cause the biggest 'De-mob' since 1945, and that won't be his / her plan, but it certainly will be seen (after) as your fault!
If the Gov want a professional, well educated and motivated miliatry, they have to accept the costs. If they want a conscript 'Defence Force', then they will have to accept the 'costs' of that.
They can't have both. Choose.
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Does anybody here, over the age of 30, actually think that a change in the 'Flavour' of Gov, actually changes anything?
The 'Gov' is run by faceless 'all-powerful' Civil Servants who don't change.
I personally haven't seen much positive change in 30yrs.
If any poster here, can give me 5 significant positive (Gov Dir) changes since 1999, I'll buy them a pint! (how and where to be arranged by pm!)
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The 'Gov' is run by faceless 'all-powerful' Civil Servants who don't change.
I personally haven't seen much positive change in 30yrs.
If any poster here, can give me 5 significant positive (Gov Dir) changes since 1999, I'll buy them a pint! (how and where to be arranged by pm!)
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Aren't you getting a little bit bored of posting in this thread now? We have had our pay rise for 7 days now, so let it go and move on.
Looks like you need a few quid spent on sending you to a learn direct spelling course. I am sure they will be willing to accept the costs. If not you could always use your SLC. Or failing that I am sure the FD Centre could help you.
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well educated and motivated miliatry, they have to accept the costs.
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Aren't you getting a little bit bored of posting in this thread now? We have had our pay rise for 7 days now, so let it go and move on.
Some here would probably like to keep the thread open so they can start moaning about not having any information on the 2010 pay award........
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Aren't you getting a little bit bored of posting in this thread now? We have had our pay rise for 7 days now, so let it go and move on
Looks like you need a few quid spent on sending you to a learn direct spelling course. I am sure they will be willing to accept the costs. If not you could always use your SLC. Or failing that I am sure the FD Centre could help you.
Probably not eh as that wouldn't give you the opportunity to use your sharp wit and oh so funny jibes.
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AIDU,
Like many on here my spelling on PPRUNE sometimes falls below par.
You do not seem to suffer from this problem, but do, unfortunately, appear to be a bit of a cntu.
Like many on here my spelling on PPRUNE sometimes falls below par.
You do not seem to suffer from this problem, but do, unfortunately, appear to be a bit of a cntu.
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A bit of advice from a pay expert please.
While I have been bore at work I have been looking at the pay review 09. On page 61 there is a scale call 'Officers commissioned from the ranks' It has levels 1-15. It seems a silly question but who is this for? Various PSF's have different answers for this. Is is just WO's which seem strange as level one is 40k ish and most WO's would on more than this.
Thanks
While I have been bore at work I have been looking at the pay review 09. On page 61 there is a scale call 'Officers commissioned from the ranks' It has levels 1-15. It seems a silly question but who is this for? Various PSF's have different answers for this. Is is just WO's which seem strange as level one is 40k ish and most WO's would on more than this.
Thanks
I've finally received my Advice of Payment from Xafinity Paymaster - and it seems that index-linked pensions have been increased by 5% this year.
So that's £26066.75 p.a. gross for 2009/10 without even needing to get out of bed.
Could be worse.
So that's £26066.75 p.a. gross for 2009/10 without even needing to get out of bed.
Could be worse.
5% was the RPI figure for Sept 08 - which is what increases in military pensions are index linked to, so the % rise was exactly as expected.
As for the sum involved, good for you, but smacks somewhat of gloating. I'm sure most people know how good the military pension can be. Also, just like in the wild west where there is always a faster gun somewhere, I'm sure there is someone out there in pprune land with a bigger military pension.
Are the next 4, 5, 10, etc additions to this thread simply going to be people quoting how much bigger their own military pension is.......yawn?
As for the sum involved, good for you, but smacks somewhat of gloating. I'm sure most people know how good the military pension can be. Also, just like in the wild west where there is always a faster gun somewhere, I'm sure there is someone out there in pprune land with a bigger military pension.
Are the next 4, 5, 10, etc additions to this thread simply going to be people quoting how much bigger their own military pension is.......yawn?
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Given that the current Inflation Forecast gives a negative Inflation Rate for September this year, we may well be looking at a Pension cut next year.
Prudence is the watchword I believe.
Never trust a Man from KirKaldy!!
Given that the current Inflation Forecast gives a negative Inflation Rate for September this year, we may well be looking at a Pension cut next year.
Prudence is the watchword I believe.
Never trust a Man from KirKaldy!!