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Old 5th Dec 2009, 10:20
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The real thing that gave him away was the Iron Cross with Oak Leaf cluster, next to the Order of Lenin and the Dai Nippon Merit Badge ? In addition, judging by the pained expression, he's wearing underwear so can't have been pukka
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Strewth, he's got more Chocolate-Wrapper Bling than the PoW.
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Well b*gger me - even Paddy Mayne with three bars to his DSO (yes, three..) didn't have a haul like that.

That beret's the giveaway, too. No-one ex 21/22/23 would have had an abortion of a mushroom like that on his head. Much shrinking, moulding etc was done before a beige lid ever saw the light of day.
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Old 5th Dec 2009, 11:38
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Paddy Mayne, there's a story AA. Just back from Belfast and was regaled with some extra tales by the oldies there in 'Ards
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next to the Order of Lenin
Interesting aside, but there were four RAF recipients of the Order of Lenin, three officers and a flight sergeant, all were aircrew on 151 wing flying Hurricanes in support of the Soviets during Operation Barbarossa. Also I once knew a Welsh plumber who had the Iron Cross 2nd Class, although in fairness he had won this as a Lithuanian who had joined the Waffen SS in order to have a crack at the hated Russians. Taken prisoner in Normandy he ended up in Wales and settled there after the war. He never wore it on Remembrance Day, as he figured it might have caused a few raised eyebrows.
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I saw a programme on that quite recently. Amazing story

RAF Hurricanes in Russia

As for you "knowing a plumber", well now you are just stretching credulity !
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Some of the worst cases of bull****ers seemed to home on the seat next to me when deadheading out of uniform during my time on the heavy iron, one of them was explaining to me in far more detail than I really wanted to hear, about one of his great exploits in the air, when the F/A leaned across him and said, "Captain, crew sked just sent a data link for you, could you come up front and send your reply", when I returned to my seat he had moved two rows away from me! Mind you, I hear you Brits have a bod runung around with RAF pilot wings up front who in fact has only flown fourty hours, can this be true?

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Old 5th Dec 2009, 12:53
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Anything can be true to a Walt...

The rules say you must give wings back if you don't make combat ready on your first squadron. There is no way this could be done on the minimum hours for a PPL!
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Isn't he the walt on Post #1 of this thread?
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Old 5th Dec 2009, 14:30
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I saw a programme on that quite recently. Amazing story
Thanks for the link, Utrinque, very interesting, and I never knew the guys' names before this. I like the picture of the Wg Cdr with his Order. DFC, AFC, Order of Lenin has to be a unique combination I would guess.

As for the plumber, well this was a long time ago, before they earned more than a brain surgeon (or an MP for that matter ).

Late addition - just seen your post Vertigo - yes you're right, that has to be Cattell up to his old tricks. After being outed here in Cornwall it seems he has moved to Warwickshire and got himself a load of new medals. The guy has to be seriously sick.

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Old 5th Dec 2009, 15:59
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How To Be A Successful 'Walt'

Quite a few people get away with being quite successful in the Walter Mitty Stakes. Some obvious ways to avoid 'detection' are:

Be plausible. don't try to claim things which are too far beyond your level of knowledge/experience.

Don't wear gallantry medals - these are always easily traced by anybody interested.

Don't claim to be SAS - when I helped with SSAFA, the branch sec said 'the SAS is the largest regiment in the British Army - if everbody who claimed to have served in it, actually had'.

Be understated and alude to your acts of 'daring do' rather than describe them in detail.

Suggest that you once had a rather serious bang on the head and that sometimes your memory is a bit flawed about all those people you served with. If you are close to being 'rumbled' this helps and it also allows you to collect the names of people whose identities are offered by the person asking you the questions - you can then use them yourself, next time.

Don't wear too many medals, get them in the right order and know the eligibility criteria, so that you match your own 'experience' with the gongs you are wearing.

That's my advice and its always worked for me.

Best wishes in you Walting.

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Old 5th Dec 2009, 18:30
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I once presented at an "East-West" security conference in London to which quite a lot of former soviet and current Russian "heavy-hitters" attend on their corporate accounts for a free few days holiday in London.

One of the other speakers was Jim Shortt, and at the time the Russkis seemed to take him quite seriously (probably about 10 years ago now).

He attended with a group of gullible young lads who were his bodyguard trainees out on a "practice mission" and after his presentation they all swept out of the room in a blaze of glory, down to the exit from the conference hotel and out in to the street....

Only to find that their cars had been towed away for illegal parking
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav
Thanks for the link, Utrinque, very interesting, and I never knew the guys' names before this. I like the picture of the Wg Cdr with his Order. DFC, AFC, Order of Lenin has to be a unique combination I would guess.
I was in the club in August and met one of the 151 Wg pilots. I don't recognise him from the photos but he looked very youthful. After the war he was posted to Moscow as an AA.

The Russians host an Arctic forces reunion outside the Imperial War Museum
each year. The next is on 9 May 10.
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Old 5th Dec 2009, 21:44
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Send Them to Jail

In the US it is a federal offence (or should that be offense?) to wear a military medal to which you are not entitled.

I reckon any walt might think twice if faced with credible punishment:

Accused Military Fake Steven Burton Charged: Man Allegedly Wore Unearned medals To Class Reunion

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Old 5th Dec 2009, 23:43
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A year late but...

ehwatezedoing

There must be a name for this kind of mental sickness.
I believe it's Munchausen's syndrome, made into a movie 'The Adventures of Baron von Munchausen' by one of the Monty Python team (Terry Gilliam?).

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A beer-meets-keyboard moment.
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Old 6th Dec 2009, 06:16
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According to this Sunday Times article, he's called Roger Day.
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Old 6th Dec 2009, 08:01
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Last night Day claimed he could not talk about his claimed SAS service “because of the Official Secrets Act”.

“I can’t comment on that, like I can’t give you any real relevant details. I’m still tied under a lot of the Official Secrets Act,” he said.

“They’re all proper, pukka campaign medals. Medals I won in conflicts while I was serving with the British forces. All I can say is south Atlantic, the Gulf, Kuwait and one or two other stations.”
...What a c*ck.
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Old 6th Dec 2009, 08:24
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Think you are allowed to wear what you like from pilot wings to DSO's . . . . . as long as you are heir to the throne! Impersonating a member of the Armed Forces (i.e. currently serving) IS an offence. As I once gleefully pointed out to a young lad sat opposite me on the train who had spent the previous 3 hours entertaining me with his tales of daring do directed towards the foxy young lady sat next to me. UNfortunately for Pete, "been in and out of the SBS, toughest section of the Army you know" was the final nail in his coffin!

Don't worry, I wasn't ruining a possible trap, the foxy young lady was my then girlfriend, also serving, who was highly entertained by his bu**sh*t
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Old 6th Dec 2009, 08:33
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Don't worry, I wasn't ruining a possible trap, the foxy young lady was my then girlfriend, also serving, who was highly entertained by his bu**sh*t
AAah - sweet moments aren't they?

There's a peculiar enjoyment watching a Walt 'in action', it's like watching one of those really old, incredibly badly acted, black and white films - utterly fascinating. It's so indescribably bad, you don't want it to end
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Having seen plenty of disparaging remarks about medals worn by both Prince Charles and Prince Phillip on here, JB and comments pages elsewhere I thought I may say a little about medals worn by the Royal Family.

Firstly pilots' wings. Well I am not a pilot, so I cannot comment on the skills of the aforesaid, but both won their wings after passing training courses current at the time. Neither may have been hotshot pilots, but then neither were some of the guys I had the dubious pleasure of flying behind over the years - thankfully usually in the right hand seat.

Neither Prince Charles nor Prince Phillip wears one medal to which he is not entitled. In the case of the former these are a mixture of non-military orders, coronation and jubilee medals of the type one might expect to be bestowed on the heir to the throne. He does not wear a DSO, tutamen, nor any gallantry or campaign medals. His father on the other hand has a very impressive collection of WW2 stars, all awarded for service as a junior Naval officer before he even met his future wife. He is unusual in being entitled to wear 5 campaign stars, the maximum possible, a feat achieved by very few in any of the services. So knock the royals as much as you like, that's what democracy is all about, but get your facts straight before you do.
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