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It seems funny that everybody seems to just belittle the RAFP for being 'plastic' Corporals and seem to forget all about the 'plastic' NCO Aircrew, nurses & PTI's!
Everybody does there bit, regardless of trade!
Everybody does there bit, regardless of trade!
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Just to answer the question, yes RAFP can arrest civilians on the married patch under PACE
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Any person other than a constable may arrest anyone, without warrant:
1) If they see somebody commiting an offence
2) If they believe that somebody is about to commit an offence
30 if they believe that somebody has just committed an offence
*This is not vebatim by the way, but in my own words.
Alot of RAFP are sworn in as constables by the local constabulary, or even when not, if they are called to assist the local police, then they are operating under the Chief Constable of that force. Hence why alot of RAFP are equipped with 'Airwaves' Radios so they are in touch with the local Police.
I have known RAFP to arrest (or to detain until arrival by Civilian Police)civilians outside the fenceline on many occasions although they are always handed over to the local Police as soon as possible.
In many cases RAFP are called upon to assist the local Police in situations like for example: attending RTC's and providing back-up to fights etc.
I know that on alot of stations now, the RAFP patrol the local towns at night (like the RMP and RN Police do) to ensure that service personnel are behaving themselves etc. Sometimes this is carried out as joint patrols with the local Police or by themselves.
Civilian Police operate at Airshows under the invitation of the RAF Police, mainly due to the fact that the RAFP do not have the manpower to Police such large scale events, and plus that its always easier and more applicable for Civilian Police or MOD Police to arrest Civilians.
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Any person other than a constable may arrest anyone, without warrant:
1) If they see somebody commiting an offence
2) If they believe that somebody is about to commit an offence
30 if they believe that somebody has just committed an offence
*This is not vebatim by the way, but in my own words.
Alot of RAFP are sworn in as constables by the local constabulary, or even when not, if they are called to assist the local police, then they are operating under the Chief Constable of that force. Hence why alot of RAFP are equipped with 'Airwaves' Radios so they are in touch with the local Police.
I have known RAFP to arrest (or to detain until arrival by Civilian Police)civilians outside the fenceline on many occasions although they are always handed over to the local Police as soon as possible.
In many cases RAFP are called upon to assist the local Police in situations like for example: attending RTC's and providing back-up to fights etc.
I know that on alot of stations now, the RAFP patrol the local towns at night (like the RMP and RN Police do) to ensure that service personnel are behaving themselves etc. Sometimes this is carried out as joint patrols with the local Police or by themselves.
Civilian Police operate at Airshows under the invitation of the RAF Police, mainly due to the fact that the RAFP do not have the manpower to Police such large scale events, and plus that its always easier and more applicable for Civilian Police or MOD Police to arrest Civilians.
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I'm not putting down any trade, especially not our heroic Aircrew!
I'm just saying that its pathetic that some individuals seem to belittle the RAFP for being A/Cpl's. It's not there fault! Yes they need the rank for authority. This is the case in every MP force!
At the end of the day, the RAFP trade was offered the chance for all Cpl's to be made substansive rank or get the higher pay band. They took the Higher pay band whilst the PTI's took the substansive rank.
As for the back stabbing, I'm sure it happens in every trade in the Airforce, no matter what trade, not to mention civilian life.
As for the other topic, I think you will find that, that the RAFP have more training than a Civilian Cop, just take a look at there training course!!! Its longer, and more indepth especially with investigations, report writting, statement training etc. Hence why Hampshire Police started copying alot of RAFP course design.
The RAF Police are there to Police the RAF, not civilians.
The Civilian Police have to deal with the dregs of society day in, day out!
The RAFP do not! Maybe its because RAF Personnel, being so highly intelligent indivduals, don't commit crime, or maybe its because they have a more intelligent type of criminal!
What ever the case they do a very good job to a high standard! Have you seen what they do in Basra for instance????
Every trade has a job to do in the RAF, and they do an amazing job, END OF!!!!!
I'm just saying that its pathetic that some individuals seem to belittle the RAFP for being A/Cpl's. It's not there fault! Yes they need the rank for authority. This is the case in every MP force!
At the end of the day, the RAFP trade was offered the chance for all Cpl's to be made substansive rank or get the higher pay band. They took the Higher pay band whilst the PTI's took the substansive rank.
As for the back stabbing, I'm sure it happens in every trade in the Airforce, no matter what trade, not to mention civilian life.
As for the other topic, I think you will find that, that the RAFP have more training than a Civilian Cop, just take a look at there training course!!! Its longer, and more indepth especially with investigations, report writting, statement training etc. Hence why Hampshire Police started copying alot of RAFP course design.
The RAF Police are there to Police the RAF, not civilians.
The Civilian Police have to deal with the dregs of society day in, day out!
The RAFP do not! Maybe its because RAF Personnel, being so highly intelligent indivduals, don't commit crime, or maybe its because they have a more intelligent type of criminal!
What ever the case they do a very good job to a high standard! Have you seen what they do in Basra for instance????
Every trade has a job to do in the RAF, and they do an amazing job, END OF!!!!!
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Military establishment, military law. You're drunk if in the the opinion of a superior officer you're drunk. No breathalyzer needed
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Authority as in a Policing perspective and not just so they can 'lord' it over everybody else!
Under Military Law (Drink Driving), if a Service Policeman believes that your BREATH, ACTION & GAIT is that of an intoxicated person, they can arrest you. A doctor then needs to be summoned at the earliest opportunity to prove that the person is drunk.
Obviously in Gib, Germany & Cyprus etc, the Service Police have breathalysers and intoximeter machines and therefore do do need a doctor to prove drunk. It is under consideration at the moment that this might soon happen in the UK.
Under Military Law (Drink Driving), if a Service Policeman believes that your BREATH, ACTION & GAIT is that of an intoxicated person, they can arrest you. A doctor then needs to be summoned at the earliest opportunity to prove that the person is drunk.
Obviously in Gib, Germany & Cyprus etc, the Service Police have breathalysers and intoximeter machines and therefore do do need a doctor to prove drunk. It is under consideration at the moment that this might soon happen in the UK.
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Service Police DO NOT need the authority of the local Police to drive off base in marked vehicles these days. This was changed a few years ago and approved by the Assoc. of Chief Police Officers and the Home Office, that the Service Police are a recognised Police Force in the UK.
Service Police CAN use blue lights and sirens off base and this was approved at the same time. This is now covered under the Traffic Lighting Regulations that also covers EOD, Mountain Rescue etc. Use of these is restricted to the same criteria as civilian Police. ie. no blue lighting for pizzas etc! (unless your Met Police!)
All new RAFP, RN Police and RMP vehicles are all marked the same as Civilian Police vehicles with Blue & Red Lights (no yellow lights for RAFP Police anymore - which was for Airfield Driving!) and battenburg livery. They carry the service crest on the doors and bonnet with RAFP/RNP/RMP on bonnet.
Service Police CAN use blue lights and sirens off base and this was approved at the same time. This is now covered under the Traffic Lighting Regulations that also covers EOD, Mountain Rescue etc. Use of these is restricted to the same criteria as civilian Police. ie. no blue lighting for pizzas etc! (unless your Met Police!)
All new RAFP, RN Police and RMP vehicles are all marked the same as Civilian Police vehicles with Blue & Red Lights (no yellow lights for RAFP Police anymore - which was for Airfield Driving!) and battenburg livery. They carry the service crest on the doors and bonnet with RAFP/RNP/RMP on bonnet.
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Originally Posted by ScottishCop
Hence why alot of RAFP are equipped with 'Airwaves' Radios so they are in touch with the local Police.
Possession of Airwave is no entitlement to be "in touch with the local Police"; indeed you can have the system and local plod can tell you to Foxtrot Oscar. Given your lack of knowledge this should be the default option...................
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Originally Posted by ScottishCop
All new RAFP, RN Police and RMP vehicles are all marked the same as Civilian Police vehicles
Originally Posted by ScottishCop
They carry the service crest on the doors and bonnet with RAFP/RNP/RMP on bonnet.
It's surprising how small they try and make the RAF bit beside the Police logo.
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For what it is worth I did feel sorry for a lot of them....... the "Join the RAF Police", posters showing lots of interesting things to do..... shooting around with your blue flashing lights on your Range Rover etc..... to reality...... Congratulations and welcome to the RAF Police, your first posting is to RAF Germany, see that glass box........ go sit in it for 3 years and watch that section of fence......... welcome to the real world.
Sad but that is what happened
Sad but that is what happened
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only reason for RAF Policemen..
the dogs cant drive the range rovers or operate the airwaves radios...
i found out what
Q-POL-PS means
Qualified Policeman Padlock Shaker !!
Jim Davidson spouted a good joke in FI circa 83...
3 recruits went to Hendon Police college...
1st recruit scores 100 % sent to Flying Squad
2nd recruit scores 95% sent to Met Police Vice Squad
3rd recruit scores 40% REJECT..... RAF POLICE !!!!
ROFLMAO !!!!
the dogs cant drive the range rovers or operate the airwaves radios...
i found out what
Q-POL-PS means
Qualified Policeman Padlock Shaker !!
Jim Davidson spouted a good joke in FI circa 83...
3 recruits went to Hendon Police college...
1st recruit scores 100 % sent to Flying Squad
2nd recruit scores 95% sent to Met Police Vice Squad
3rd recruit scores 40% REJECT..... RAF POLICE !!!!
ROFLMAO !!!!
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Would that "Thrush" be "Turdus Musicus" or the type that makes you scratch?
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Originally Posted by ScottishCop
RAFP being equppied with Airwaves is at the the REQUEST of the civilian Police!
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Originally Posted by EOSM37
only reason RAF Movers........................ None that I can think of.
3 Airmen went to Armed forces pay review body...
1st Airmen scores 100 % put on high pay band. He is a Techie after all.
2nd Airmen scores 95% put on high pay band. He is an RAF Policeman after all.
3rd Airmen scores 40% REJECT..... RAF MOVER !!!! LOW PAY BAND.
ROFLMAO !!!!
3 Airmen went to Armed forces pay review body...
1st Airmen scores 100 % put on high pay band. He is a Techie after all.
2nd Airmen scores 95% put on high pay band. He is an RAF Policeman after all.
3rd Airmen scores 40% REJECT..... RAF MOVER !!!! LOW PAY BAND.
ROFLMAO !!!!
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Simple Question this....but how do movers get you there and back?
I thought that was the Aircraft, Aircrew, Techies...
The movers check in the bags, lose a few, damage a few and then tell blatant lies about aircraft delays..(never a movements or pax fault is it?) always a tech delay.
So movers get you there and back...wow thats a good one,
Do the check in staff at you holiday airport get you there and back? Do the baggage handlers?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Its the Aircraft and drivers that do.
I thought that was the Aircraft, Aircrew, Techies...
The movers check in the bags, lose a few, damage a few and then tell blatant lies about aircraft delays..(never a movements or pax fault is it?) always a tech delay.
So movers get you there and back...wow thats a good one,
Do the check in staff at you holiday airport get you there and back? Do the baggage handlers?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Its the Aircraft and drivers that do.