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Mobile!! interesting you say 216 "instructed" you to be more strict.
Applying any of the rules might be usefull, big problem with the airbridge is the need for in theatre kit that has to be carried on board, if ya then take a bergen as hand luggage, and yr lap top and a bag full of naafi sarnies etc etc, creates a bit of a problem, overhead lockers can only hold so much, rest has to go under the seat in front do ya start to understand the problem??
Boys and girls going in to theatre need certain kit agreed, some of the other stuff they get seen trying to bring up the stairs is a joke.
Applying any of the rules might be usefull, big problem with the airbridge is the need for in theatre kit that has to be carried on board, if ya then take a bergen as hand luggage, and yr lap top and a bag full of naafi sarnies etc etc, creates a bit of a problem, overhead lockers can only hold so much, rest has to go under the seat in front do ya start to understand the problem??
Boys and girls going in to theatre need certain kit agreed, some of the other stuff they get seen trying to bring up the stairs is a joke.
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14G,
To amplify what MM alluded to above, unfortunately the KC1 T* is totally unsuited to the transport of pax to the Theatres, but a combination of the quantity of troops that have to be moved, and the availability of C2s, ensures that options are limited. While the C2 possesses civi-standard overhead lockers, the KC1’s stowage for cabin baggage is little more than a ‘hat rack’, so in the event of the merest hint of turbulence loose articles can be thrown around the cabin. Hence, it is considered a flight safety risk by some elements, and unique standards have to be applied to the carriage of cabin baggage. To the 150+ pax travelling to/from the Theatres this factor can appear rather trivial, so skilful and comprehensive briefing is required.
Standard lockers cannot be added to the aircraft as a mod because it would obstruct pallets when the frame operates in a freighter role.
Jeez, good job that we all play for the same team, eh?
To amplify what MM alluded to above, unfortunately the KC1 T* is totally unsuited to the transport of pax to the Theatres, but a combination of the quantity of troops that have to be moved, and the availability of C2s, ensures that options are limited. While the C2 possesses civi-standard overhead lockers, the KC1’s stowage for cabin baggage is little more than a ‘hat rack’, so in the event of the merest hint of turbulence loose articles can be thrown around the cabin. Hence, it is considered a flight safety risk by some elements, and unique standards have to be applied to the carriage of cabin baggage. To the 150+ pax travelling to/from the Theatres this factor can appear rather trivial, so skilful and comprehensive briefing is required.
Standard lockers cannot be added to the aircraft as a mod because it would obstruct pallets when the frame operates in a freighter role.
Jeez, good job that we all play for the same team, eh?
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To amplify what MM alluded to above, unfortunately the KC1 T* is totally unsuited to the transport of pax to the Theatres, but a combination of the quantity of troops that have to be moved, and the availability of C2s, ensures that options are limited. While the C2 possesses civi-standard overhead lockers, the KC1’s stowage for cabin baggage is little more than a ‘hat rack’, so in the event of the merest hint of turbulence loose articles can be thrown around the cabin. Hence, it is considered a flight safety risk by some elements, and unique standards have to be applied to the carriage of cabin baggage. To the 150+ pax travelling to/from the Theatres this factor can appear rather trivial, so skilful and comprehensive briefing is required.
Standard lockers cannot be added to the aircraft as a mod because it would obstruct pallets when the frame operates in a freighter role.
Jeez, good job that we all play for the same team, eh?
Standard lockers cannot be added to the aircraft as a mod because it would obstruct pallets when the frame operates in a freighter role.
Jeez, good job that we all play for the same team, eh?
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side show, yep glad someone has explained that to me!!!!!!!!!!! damn, if only i had know this over all these years
glad they explained it
Only pointed out that the hand luggage regulations that are there should be applied by the blokes who check folk in do ya not think, all the sqn "asked" was some sense was applied, never yet seen the movers respond to anything that anybody has insisted on but am still amazed at what passengers coming wandering out of the terminal with under there arms.
Thanks for the tech lesson tho fat lad, shall we discuss ACS next
glad they explained it
Only pointed out that the hand luggage regulations that are there should be applied by the blokes who check folk in do ya not think, all the sqn "asked" was some sense was applied, never yet seen the movers respond to anything that anybody has insisted on but am still amazed at what passengers coming wandering out of the terminal with under there arms.
Thanks for the tech lesson tho fat lad, shall we discuss ACS next
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Perhaps if u remove your heads from your arses you will see fat lad has only posted 4 times and perhaps doesn't know who everyone is on the forum or what they do? He was just trying to explain something.
A know it all passenger knobber he may be in your eyes, well he seems to be in the company of know it all aircrew and GE knobbers to.
BTW just as you probably are L1011GE, I'm really glad your out of the RAF
MM
Perhaps if u remove your heads from your arses you will see fat lad has only posted 4 times and perhaps doesn't know who everyone is on the forum or what they do? He was just trying to explain something.
A know it all passenger knobber he may be in your eyes, well he seems to be in the company of know it all aircrew and GE knobbers to.
BTW just as you probably are L1011GE, I'm really glad your out of the RAF
MM
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MM oohhh touchy
like my head up mine sun shines out of it very brightly!!!!
L1011 GE one of the best ones shame to lose him so give over with the personal digs on people you dont know
As for fat lad commenting, if he knows so much about the trimotor my user name should give him a hint that we might know summat about the gent
Now lets get back to the origional point of this thread, has the bloke! who ran in to the jet at akt and ran away been sorted out yet?
like my head up mine sun shines out of it very brightly!!!!
L1011 GE one of the best ones shame to lose him so give over with the personal digs on people you dont know
As for fat lad commenting, if he knows so much about the trimotor my user name should give him a hint that we might know summat about the gent
Now lets get back to the origional point of this thread, has the bloke! who ran in to the jet at akt and ran away been sorted out yet?
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L1011GE,
Would you believe that some suggest that the standard of debate on pprune has declined in recent times?
I am confident that your natural wit and general good humour will be missed in the RAF; best of luck in civi-street, chap....
Would you believe that some suggest that the standard of debate on pprune has declined in recent times?
I am confident that your natural wit and general good humour will be missed in the RAF; best of luck in civi-street, chap....
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Dry your eyes princess....
How would you like the troops to get into theatre?
How about we borrow a few private jets to ferry them around.??
The KC1 is (last time I saw one) a passenger/freighter/tanker aircraft.
Flight safety has been looked at many times over the years the T* has been in service.
That is why all hand baggage should fit UNDER the seat in front.
Hat racks are ....err Hat racks...and soft items only.
If a flak jacket will not fit under the seat, then wear it!!!
Civilian airlines have the similar rules about hand baggage ie in the locker or under the seat..
That way in the unlikely event of an emergency the aisles are kept clear and YOU might be able to egress from your seat without falling over or getting snagged on lots of Bergens.
My apologies if you are not a passenger...or a knobber......
How would you like the troops to get into theatre?
How about we borrow a few private jets to ferry them around.??
The KC1 is (last time I saw one) a passenger/freighter/tanker aircraft.
Flight safety has been looked at many times over the years the T* has been in service.
That is why all hand baggage should fit UNDER the seat in front.
Hat racks are ....err Hat racks...and soft items only.
If a flak jacket will not fit under the seat, then wear it!!!
Civilian airlines have the similar rules about hand baggage ie in the locker or under the seat..
That way in the unlikely event of an emergency the aisles are kept clear and YOU might be able to egress from your seat without falling over or getting snagged on lots of Bergens.
My apologies if you are not a passenger...or a knobber......
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MADTASS, I think you may have bowled a googly with your post. The 'crowd' may start boo'ing you in a mo.
If I were you, I would start a new thread on your Basset question. OK, you'll probably get booed by that crowd too. Don't take it to heart though. The 99.9% of ppruners are harmless.
Regards.
If I were you, I would start a new thread on your Basset question. OK, you'll probably get booed by that crowd too. Don't take it to heart though. The 99.9% of ppruners are harmless.
Regards.
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No idea, but I bet a mover drove a set of steps into the bowser, thereby rendering the fuel category illegible.
Sorry, I just could not resist, even though i have absolutely no idea what he's referring to!
Sorry, I just could not resist, even though i have absolutely no idea what he's referring to!
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A staple belt eh? why would he need a belt to keep his staples in? Is that like an extreme form of admin kit?
Like shooting fish in a barrel....
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Cornish strom chaser::
you have answered your question...why you cant stay on at BZZ....
MOD CHARTER AKT-BZZ.....
as such, the MOD only pays for the the use of the civvy a/c from AKT-BZZ..!!
if pax were carried BZZ-NCL then MOD would cop the bill...
during my time in Germany we rountinely had the Britannia Airways flights on charter..however,
at times the flight number from Gutersloh was RR8951F....
the "F" meaning ferry flight back to Luton for the holiday charter from there that night. This meant no MOD pax could be loaded.
An example being, at the time it was around £8,000 to charter one way for the 737. Even a Comp Alpha passenger in theory could not be loaded but there are ways round it..
To All:
Tristar Hand Luggage...!!!
In fact all hand luggage is governed by CAA/FAA rules..
Hypothetical scenario...
(Hand baggage weight limit 9lbs...)
Tristar makes crash landing... (G factor of 3g is estimate for this)
you survive the crash but someones hand baggage weighing 25lbs shoots through the cabin, hits the back of your head..!!
25lbs x 3g = 75lbs.... result broken neck/death !!
Movers dont make the rules/policy
Just try to enforce them for the "know it all" passenger who checks in !!!
Watch Airline on TV and see the same type of "throbber pax" who think they know it all !!
Case closed
you have answered your question...why you cant stay on at BZZ....
MOD CHARTER AKT-BZZ.....
as such, the MOD only pays for the the use of the civvy a/c from AKT-BZZ..!!
if pax were carried BZZ-NCL then MOD would cop the bill...
during my time in Germany we rountinely had the Britannia Airways flights on charter..however,
at times the flight number from Gutersloh was RR8951F....
the "F" meaning ferry flight back to Luton for the holiday charter from there that night. This meant no MOD pax could be loaded.
An example being, at the time it was around £8,000 to charter one way for the 737. Even a Comp Alpha passenger in theory could not be loaded but there are ways round it..
To All:
Tristar Hand Luggage...!!!
In fact all hand luggage is governed by CAA/FAA rules..
Hypothetical scenario...
(Hand baggage weight limit 9lbs...)
Tristar makes crash landing... (G factor of 3g is estimate for this)
you survive the crash but someones hand baggage weighing 25lbs shoots through the cabin, hits the back of your head..!!
25lbs x 3g = 75lbs.... result broken neck/death !!
Movers dont make the rules/policy
Just try to enforce them for the "know it all" passenger who checks in !!!
Watch Airline on TV and see the same type of "throbber pax" who think they know it all !!
Case closed
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Using the same rationale then how will the litigation fare when the maximum design weight of the seat harnesses are exceeded by someone wearing body armour and is then injured in the same scenario you just gave.
Surely we can't cherry pick the CAA rules to suit the argument can we!
Practicality in a military environment must surely be balanced against risk otherwise the same restrictions would apply in a host of other scenarios.
HEDP
Surely we can't cherry pick the CAA rules to suit the argument can we!
Practicality in a military environment must surely be balanced against risk otherwise the same restrictions would apply in a host of other scenarios.
HEDP
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Tristar Hand Luggage...!!!
In fact all hand luggage is governed by CAA/FAA rules..
In fact all hand luggage is governed by CAA/FAA rules..
For years passengers have been encouraged to bend the rules regarding hand luggage in the TriStar.
For example, when travelling to RAF Mount Pleasant via Ascension, you always had to take 'overnight kit' in your hand luggage, in case the weather in the South Atlantic forced a diversion - or the aircraft broke down in Ascension. As well as taking all the paperwork required for a short detachment (never needed in Incirlik though). Yet the hand baggage allowance was totally inadequate, so everyone ignored the limit.....
I feel sorry for those who have to travel in the KC1 - on one hand you are told to take your war kit with you so that it is readily available, yet on the other you are told that it is somehow supposed to fit under the seat in front.....
The accepted norm for civil aircraft is a bag with total dimensions of 115 cm, usually 55 x 40 x 20, which may not weigh more than 8 kg. Some airlines allow instead a folding garment bag - e.g. 57 x 54 x 15 on Lufthansa.
If you are obliged to carry more than this, the aircraft should be designed to cater accordingly.
I don't know what 'standard weights' are used these days, but the old 80 kg per head plus 20 kg of baggage (total) each always seemed very low to me, when you saw the kit which some took on board.
For example, when travelling to RAF Mount Pleasant via Ascension, you always had to take 'overnight kit' in your hand luggage, in case the weather in the South Atlantic forced a diversion - or the aircraft broke down in Ascension. As well as taking all the paperwork required for a short detachment (never needed in Incirlik though). Yet the hand baggage allowance was totally inadequate, so everyone ignored the limit.....
I feel sorry for those who have to travel in the KC1 - on one hand you are told to take your war kit with you so that it is readily available, yet on the other you are told that it is somehow supposed to fit under the seat in front.....
The accepted norm for civil aircraft is a bag with total dimensions of 115 cm, usually 55 x 40 x 20, which may not weigh more than 8 kg. Some airlines allow instead a folding garment bag - e.g. 57 x 54 x 15 on Lufthansa.
If you are obliged to carry more than this, the aircraft should be designed to cater accordingly.
I don't know what 'standard weights' are used these days, but the old 80 kg per head plus 20 kg of baggage (total) each always seemed very low to me, when you saw the kit which some took on board.
