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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 5th Sep 2017, 00:43
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
Overall intake numbers for flight screening will increase once it moves to simulator only at RAAF East Sale.

Aiming to flight screen 240 people across Army, Navy and Air Force.
So will this only be for flight screening at east sale during the 2018 period onwards but BFTS will still be conducted at Tamworth on the CT/4B? or will BFTS also begin at East sale on the Pc21 as well in 2018? From what I've researched the first BFTS/2FTS pilot courses utilising the Pc21 wont begin until early 2019.

Can any one confirm this or heard similar?
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 02:36
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Originally Posted by spandexo View Post
So will this only be for flight screening at east sale during the 2018 period onwards but BFTS will still be conducted at Tamworth on the CT/4B? or will BFTS also begin at East sale on the Pc21 as well in 2018? From what I've researched the first BFTS/2FTS pilot courses utilising the Pc21 wont begin until early 2019.

Can any one confirm this or heard similar?
From memory you are correct (it's been awhile since I had anything to do with 5428).

Flight screening next year in Sale, Course 2019.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 04:05
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Freshly updated as per the ADF recruitment website....

Detailed evaluation

A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.

The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.

The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.

At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.

For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 00:02
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Once the aviation academy is up and running people will stop joining the RAAF as pilots. They'll join as aviation candidates. After a certain amount of testing/screening then some will be offered pilot, Nav, ATC or admin. Neatly following ANCA, aviate, navigate, communicate and administrate.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 02:25
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Hey Slezy - will the aviation academy be Return-of-Service-Obligation-free? Ie, if you get "streamed" for admin, can you say, "thanks, but no thanks..."?
I like the neat match with ANCA!
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 07:05
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
Once the aviation academy is up and running people will stop joining the RAAF as pilots. They'll join as aviation candidates.
And further to Joseph's question, what if you were hoping to join the Army or Navy as a helicopter pilot? Is the program still going to be tri-service?
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 07:19
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As sad as it is to say, I learn more on this forum than I do calling my enlistment coordinator...
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 15:02
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Wow, big changes are being implemented... Safe to speculate that this is because of their need for more pilots in a quicker fashion then their old recruiting system could provide (coupled with all the new airframes and rampant advertising)?
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 07:09
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Originally Posted by 13Beast View Post
Freshly updated as per the ADF recruitment website....

Detailed evaluation

A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.

The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.

The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.

At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.

For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
Which page did you find this on? I just checked the pilot job pages for the roles I'm interested in and they only mention the older FSP program. I also attended a recruitment session about a month ago and they made no mention of this newer process either. Not doubting you, just seeking clarification.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 09:52
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From the DFR airforce pilot information page under employment training:

By the time students graduate from ADFA the CT4 and PC9 training aircraft will have been replaced the PC21 aircraft and basic flying training will have moved from Tamworth to RAAF Base East Sale

The Pilot Basic Course will be 24 Weeks in duration and students will fly about 60 hours in PC21 aircraft and simulators. The flying disciplines on pilot basic course include General Flying (GF), Instrument Flying (IF), Night Flying (NF) and an introduction to medium level visual Navigation (NAV). GF includes manoeuvres such as flying circuits, basic aerobatics, stalling and emergency handling. IF instruction covers basic instrument interpretation skills and flying instrument approaches. Ground training will also be conducted in Aerodynamics, Aircraft Systems, Airmanship, Air Power, Air Traffic Control, Aviation Medicine, Cockpit Systems, Meteorology, Morse Code, and Navigation.

Upon completion of the Pilot Basic Course, students will proceed to 2FTS at RAAF Base Pearce for Pilot Intermediate Course. Flying at 2FTS is also undertaken in the PC21. The course is approximately 30 weeks duration with 135 hours of flying and simulation. Aside from developing the flying skills learnt on Pilot Basis Course, students will also be introduced to formation flying and low-level navigation. Students will also learn how to operate an aircraft and not just fly it. Following completion of Pilot Intermediate Course students will complete Pilot Advanced course, if they have been streamed to fast jets, or complete an operational conversion on a transport or surveillance aircraft.
So this would suggest that the simulators are still a while off. The 2019 timeline seems to fit.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 10:16
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Originally Posted by phlegm View Post
Which page did you find this on?
Pretty sure it's under "additional requirments" on the RAAF pilot job page. Still no mention for navy and army pilots though.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 10:28
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Originally Posted by phlegm View Post
Which page did you find this on? I just checked the pilot job pages for the roles I'm interested in and they only mention the older FSP program. I also attended a recruitment session about a month ago and they made no mention of this newer process either. Not doubting you, just seeking clarification.
G'day phlegm, you'll need to look at the defencejobs.gov page for pilot rather than the pilot page at airforce.gov then have a look at "Additional Requirements".
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:34
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Ladies and gents,

Does anyone know the current visual standards for aircrew? Specifically, what the pre-op limit for any kind of [email protected] eye surgery is?

Was tracking -7, but have recently read -3 for aircrew in light of a recent change and would like to confirm.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 04:49
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Originally Posted by Dilmah G View Post
Ladies and gents,

Does anyone know the current visual standards for aircrew? Specifically, what the pre-op limit for any kind of [email protected] eye surgery is?

Was tracking -7, but have recently read -3 for aircrew in light of a recent change and would like to confirm.
Upon successful completion of the assessment day, you will be booked in to see an opthamologist. Only then will you know where you stand. If you're given a job offer for an aircrew position they will pay for [email protected] eye surgery. Just don't do any surgery beforehand, there are some types they will not accept.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 04:53
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They'll pay for [email protected] eye surgery? That's news to me. I'm in service and wanted to see if I could get some certainty before getting on AVMED's radar.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Dilmah G View Post
They'll pay for [email protected] eye surgery? That's news to me. I'm in service and wanted to see if I could get some certainty before getting on AVMED's radar.
Well, atleast that's what the doctor at DFR told me. It all depends on the condition of your eyes. My left eye is perfect vision, my right is a little worse. They told me, if I get the job, that either my eyes will be fine, I might need glasses or I might require [email protected] eye surgery. They did however say that this would not be at my expense. They also erged me not to go and get [email protected] eye surgery myself as some types of surgery are not accepted. Perhaps it's all different for in-service applicants though
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 01:54
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Another update on FSP. Was on the phone this morning to BAE Systems, and apparently all DEO slots have now been filled for this year's remaining FSPs. All those remaining in the pool, me included, will likely be transferred to the new system as priority candidates, and should all expect a call-up to attend a flight screening course with the new system from next year. Letters will be coming out to all those affected in the coming weeks, and will provide further updates on the situation.

Apparently, they are still ironing out exactly how the whole transition from Tamworth to East Sale will go, so don't take my word as gospel given the state of flux, but that is what I was informed this morning.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 11:40
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Thanks for that info, 13Beast. It's a bit of a relief to hear that now. I attended an aircrew seminar tonight and even DFR did not really know what was going on.

The only tit-bit of info I received recently was in regards to helicopter pilot candidates. While Air Force training will be conducted at Air 5428 at RAAF Base East Sale (as mentioned by other posters), both Army and Navy helicopter candidates will be trained through the Air 9000 Phase 7 HATS (Helicopter Aircrew Training System) at HMAS Albatross using 15 newly purchased Airbus H135 helicopters to replace the Kiowas and Squirrels. HATS is aiming to train up to 130 helicopter pilots, AMWO's, aircrewmen and sensor operators per year.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 07:55
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Hey Everyone.

I had my assessment session for pilot last Thursday and was successful. I have received some info about the FSP changes.

Starting from 2018 FSP is no more and ASP is starting (Aviation Screening Program). this is 2 day course at East sale. As the RAAF is acquiring PC-21 trainers to replace their CT4B and PC-9 Trainers, these are high performance aircraft so they will not allow candidates to fly them. This is where the ASP comes in. It will be a computer and simulator based assessment and a tour of the base. I'm unsure if OSB will be in the same week.

Starting 2019 BFTS will be at East sale and all RAAF and RAN pilots students will conduct their training there. Start of 2020 is when RAA students will conduct their training at East Sale.

Hope that helps

JK
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 06:16
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Ahhh...East Sale, commonly known as Pleurisy Plains, just hope for a spring or autumn course, as winter is seriously cold, and in summer the flies from the cow paddocks nearby are infuriating.
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