Meaningless management drivel
Interesting debate;
HR, are usually a waste of space and tell them they are jumped up personnel officers and they would want to spit there dummies, usually that most of them have just had removed. Never learn or implement their own companies rules so when it comes to disciplinaries loose to the union rep. Never worked on the shop floor.
Accountants, know the cost of everything and value of nothing which includes the value that experienced staff bring. Think it's a good move to try to get rid of older staff. They know not the old 8 Squadron adage 'old age and treachery will always triumph over youth and skill'
Management consultants, employed by those who can't or will not manage but who can't manage themselves. Cost a lot of money, you can get the same results by talking to the staff who could tell you what is wrong and how to do it better.
Lastly managers, Those that can do the job that you ask your people to do is far more respected than those who say 'I'm telling you to get it done. Best managers stick up for their people even when it goes wrong. As I said to a former incompetent boss when I was an ICU shift boss, 'when it goes right they (team) get the praise, when it goes wrong the blame stops with me'. She really did not understand and looked at me blankly. Managers who come out with I have a brilliant idea and when told by the staff 'tried that 10 years ago didn't work then why will it work now'. Reminds me of Baldrick from Blackadder.
The NHS is a wonderful system but full of incompetent managers medical and non-medical unfortunately, usually because they will not make a decision but would rather for a committee, this merely devolves blame when it goes wrong.
Is the Armed forces any better, I suspect not these days.
HR, are usually a waste of space and tell them they are jumped up personnel officers and they would want to spit there dummies, usually that most of them have just had removed. Never learn or implement their own companies rules so when it comes to disciplinaries loose to the union rep. Never worked on the shop floor.
Accountants, know the cost of everything and value of nothing which includes the value that experienced staff bring. Think it's a good move to try to get rid of older staff. They know not the old 8 Squadron adage 'old age and treachery will always triumph over youth and skill'
Management consultants, employed by those who can't or will not manage but who can't manage themselves. Cost a lot of money, you can get the same results by talking to the staff who could tell you what is wrong and how to do it better.
Lastly managers, Those that can do the job that you ask your people to do is far more respected than those who say 'I'm telling you to get it done. Best managers stick up for their people even when it goes wrong. As I said to a former incompetent boss when I was an ICU shift boss, 'when it goes right they (team) get the praise, when it goes wrong the blame stops with me'. She really did not understand and looked at me blankly. Managers who come out with I have a brilliant idea and when told by the staff 'tried that 10 years ago didn't work then why will it work now'. Reminds me of Baldrick from Blackadder.
The NHS is a wonderful system but full of incompetent managers medical and non-medical unfortunately, usually because they will not make a decision but would rather for a committee, this merely devolves blame when it goes wrong.
Is the Armed forces any better, I suspect not these days.
The latest bullish*t phrase seems to be something like "so, the crocodiles in the water are..
It appears that someone higher up may have said this, and it has now permeated into normal speak among Force HQs and Sqn Ldrs-Wng Cdrs.
FFS, when did we lose the ability, given we are ultimately trying to kill the enemy or get trying to get the enemy killed, to speak clearly and plainly.
Speaking bullish*t bingo does not make you more up to date, it just makes you look like a plonker.
It appears that someone higher up may have said this, and it has now permeated into normal speak among Force HQs and Sqn Ldrs-Wng Cdrs.
FFS, when did we lose the ability, given we are ultimately trying to kill the enemy or get trying to get the enemy killed, to speak clearly and plainly.
Speaking bullish*t bingo does not make you more up to date, it just makes you look like a plonker.
F3WMB, learnt that before I went to Sleaford Tech on SERE Course in the 80s, carried me through and ever since. Pity it never included certain 'airships', helicopters and mighty Hunters in the past come to mind, relating to lack of leadership.
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or have you too had work done by the likes of Mc@@@@@sey and Company Consultants
. Your description of what happens when they turn up and who they impress is spot on as well 
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MBA brigade ( now increasingly being tumbled) , plus HR "practitioners' ( tumbled years ago ) , plus lap dog Accountants ( 6 months ahead only in vision , with eyes to the City) , plus a "Business Model" fable (good for the GMD in his annual report to blow smoke over the share holders ) seem still to constitute a mutually supporting and non-productive, clique of dominance in some quarters of industry.
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I have never understood the need for "mission statements" and "visions" in Defence either. Too many people spend too long worrying about rubbish like this rather than just getting on and delivering the desired end result. No-one really cares; most just want to get on with the job. Now we have another new era with mandates and SROs all as a result of the latest in trend - MSP.
)*That's a throwaway fictional example...I think??
In defence of McK....sey, they tell their employers what they want to hear, in the language they want to hear it in.
One of my top students went to work for them as a consultant, and she knew how to lead properly 'cos I taught her to in the CCF.
Basically, McK..sey provide a buffer between management and shareholders (or senior management and top management). If what happens goes wrong, the management that called them in can blame McK...sey ("We picked the best! It's who our competitors use!"). If it works, the management takes the credit for hiring them.
Anyone with half a brain within the company could tell them what needs doing, but senior management don't listen to them. They have to pay $2million before they'll listen. It's like buying a full year's gym membership on January 2nd to loose some flab, so the expense will make you feel guilty if you don't use it.
The problem is with the senior managers, who do not know how to lead, and cannot manage when the resources are insufficient for all the tasks, as Air Pig rightly says.
One of my top students went to work for them as a consultant, and she knew how to lead properly 'cos I taught her to in the CCF.
Basically, McK..sey provide a buffer between management and shareholders (or senior management and top management). If what happens goes wrong, the management that called them in can blame McK...sey ("We picked the best! It's who our competitors use!"). If it works, the management takes the credit for hiring them.
Anyone with half a brain within the company could tell them what needs doing, but senior management don't listen to them. They have to pay $2million before they'll listen. It's like buying a full year's gym membership on January 2nd to loose some flab, so the expense will make you feel guilty if you don't use it.
The problem is with the senior managers, who do not know how to lead, and cannot manage when the resources are insufficient for all the tasks, as Air Pig rightly says.
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yeah - I know some people in that trade
FIRST thing is a Senior Partner (or two) meets the MD/CEO/Board and finds out what is bugging them and what they want
the rest of the work by the consulting troops is expensive back-up and provision of CMA documentation in the approved yuck-speak of the day with lots of graphs
and surprise surprise the conclusions are..................
FIRST thing is a Senior Partner (or two) meets the MD/CEO/Board and finds out what is bugging them and what they want
the rest of the work by the consulting troops is expensive back-up and provision of CMA documentation in the approved yuck-speak of the day with lots of graphs
and surprise surprise the conclusions are..................
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We had a mission statement (before they were a pair of words)
We Aim to Please
You Aim too please
(Wing Weapons Waddington)
We also had a vision
You play ball with me
Or I'll stuff the bat right up your A...
Today some wordsmith spends hours crafting and honing a few trite words that no one ever reads.
Any one remember
Professional Results in Daily Endeavors?
Our my police favourite
Pride Integrity Guts?
We Aim to Please
You Aim too please
(Wing Weapons Waddington)
We also had a vision
You play ball with me
Or I'll stuff the bat right up your A...
Today some wordsmith spends hours crafting and honing a few trite words that no one ever reads.
Any one remember
Professional Results in Daily Endeavors?
Our my police favourite
Pride Integrity Guts?
