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Gaining An R.A.F Pilots Brevet In WW II

Old 25th Oct 2018, 17:05
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Another very interesting and varied career ... Dakota to Lightning is quite a jump, even with interim steps!

BTW, Danny42C is now posting on CapCom.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 17:06
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Chugalug et al,

Thank you all for your good wishes in your #12413 of 23/10/18 and #12416 and #12417 of 24/10/18 and today's #12421. #12420 ? - not so sure !

Laptop is behaving itself pro tem (fingers crossed), but I'm flat on my back again with yet another lung infection, and having to scoff some horrible antibiotics. Mary administering them as part of her unfailing TLC.

Actually sitting up in bed with laptop on a "Lavolta" frame (a bit wobbly), so can try to keep an eye on proceedings from time to time, and able to put in my two cent's worth when I feel like it.

Re: Barrage balloons; there was an early postwar story (sorry, no refs) about one which broke loose, and drifted slowly Eastward over our green and pleasant land, shorting out power cables and causing general mayhem. Someone rang the Duty Officer at Air Ministry. "Never fear", said this chap, "our brave fighter boys will sort it out in no time !"

But it was Wednesday afternoon, and those not engaged in official Sport were pushing supermarket trollies in town, or otherwise engaged (was there a time when there was no QRA ?) Anyway, they couldn't get an armed fighter into the sky in time, the Balloon carried on its trail of destruction before drifting out into the North Sea, and was never seen again.

Was the story true ? - Dunno. Could it have happened ? What do you think ?

Keep the old Thread going ! Cheers, Danny.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 08:37
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Welcome back Danny, even though in a less than vertical position!
For what it's worth I remember being told of the barrage balloon saga in ATCS ground school and repeating it in the classroom years later heaven knows in what context though, it might have had something to do with 'securite' messages
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 09:09
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Get well soon, Danny
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 12:27
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All,

I am humbled and gratified by the extent of your good wishes for my "recovery". Alas, at my age, this is too much to expect. The best I can hope for is to fend off the Grim Reaper as long as possible.

Having said that: "Dum spiro, scribo !"

(Horizontal) Danny
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 12:53
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Welcome back, Danny! All is now well with our world!

Over on 'Aviation nostalgia' a chap has been seeking info' on his late Grandfather, who trained as a pilot in Canada about the same time as you were in the USA. I've advised him to have a look at our favourite thread to see what he can find re those far-off days.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:29
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Folks - I am trying to find out anything about this base, which my (sadly long-deceased) father-in-law served at during 1945-46. I have been able to learn the basics from internet research but can't seem to get much beyond that. He would have been an AC1 or AC2 at the time but his service records don't go into any detail so it's really difficult to understand what he might have been doing there. Any help at all would be very welcome.....
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 15:22
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Danny

Re: Barrage balloons; there was an early postwar story (sorry, no refs) about one which broke loose, and drifted slowly Eastward over our green and pleasant land, shorting out power cables and causing general mayhem. Someone rang the Duty Officer at Air Ministry. "Never fear", said this chap, "our brave fighter boys will sort it out in no time !"
But it was Wednesday afternoon, and those not engaged in official Sport were pushing supermarket trollies in town, or otherwise engaged (was there a time when there was no QRA ?) Anyway, they couldn't get an armed fighter into the sky in time, the Balloon carried on its trail of destruction before drifting out into the North Sea, and was never seen again.

Was the story true ? - Dunno. Could it have happened ? What do you think ?
This one happened on 30th November 1951 - not sure if it's the one you remember.

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:22
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I’ll hang Danny’s Laura Ashley mug on the hook for now (yes, I washed it up properly) and I will also sweep the crewroom floor. Any takers for Danny’s SDO duty, or should I phone cyber-OC GD Flt?

Blessings on you, Danny and Devoted Daughter.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:26
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Station Adjutant, Shurely?
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 16:38
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Originally Posted by oxenos View Post
Station Adjutant, Shurely?
Oops ... caught in a Time-Warp there! 😀
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 21:54
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Originally Posted by AndrewClark View Post
Folks - I am trying to find out anything about this base, which my (sadly long-deceased) father-in-law served at during 1945-46. I have been able to learn the basics from internet research but can't seem to get much beyond that. He would have been an AC1 or AC2 at the time but his service records don't go into any detail so it's really difficult to understand what he might have been doing there. Any help at all would be very welcome.....
I've just realised that I haven't named the base in question - it was RAF Chaklala in Rawalpindi, which was then in India but is now in Pakistan and is a Pakistani Air Force Base called Nur Khan. I have also now been told by family members that he was awarded three or four medals, including the Burma Star. Although I can't find any evidence of him actually serving in Burma, I understand that some (paratroop?) operations carried out from Chaklala were against the Japanese occupation of Burma, so I'm wondering if this explains why.... Again, I'd be very grateful for any help as I'm trying to compile information for my brother-in-law's birthday in December....
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 23:16
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Reminds me of a RAID balloon(remote camera surveillance) we lost in Basra in 2007. During a storm it was being recovered and a sudden downdraught Caused it to break its tether and it was last seen heading for Iran with about 1000000 of surveillance equipment never to be seen again.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 13:49
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Hi Andrew, Jefford's book RAF Squadrons shows the following Sqn numbers served at Chaklaka in the time frame you mentioned.

10 SQn Dakotas
298 " Halifax A7
670 & 672 Gliders

So it's possible he was something to do with planned operations involving Daks etc towing gliders for use against the Japanese.

Other squadrons did time there but not on those dates.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 14:23
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I wonder if the barrage balloon was one from Hullavington used for parachute training. Looking at the report the wind was blowing in the wrong direction.
Hugh Hunt of Trinity College Cambridge did a television programme describing how difficult it was to shoot down hydrogen filled balloons.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 16:35
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Re Dakotas in Burma against the Japanese: Rawalpindi is a long way west of Burma, especially for glider operations. Perhaps it was a training base for operations into the Burmese jungle? My father was the army major in charge of supporting the Chindits by air, and he was based in East India, and later even closer to the action from jungle clearings. He told of arranging to drop all sorts of goods and equipment out of Dakotas over mere map references in the Burmese jungle. These included primitive outboard motors, and, once, some 10,000 in gold sovereigns.These he had to throw out of the plane personally and sign a chit to certify so doing. He often used to wonder if anyone managed to find them.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 16:48
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I wasn't suggesting that an operation would be launched from that far west - it was likely a training base.

B48N

PS I've read of your father's exploits in 'War in the Wilderness' - what heroes those guys, the Chindits, were!

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Old 27th Oct 2018, 19:31
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Given the current propensity for aircrew awards for one operation in theatre, I wonder whether that’s how AndrewClark’s father might have acquired a Burma Star .. perhaos as a despatcher?
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 20:47
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He'd get the Burma Star just for being in the theatre. Everyone out there would get it.
I have it. It was just a campaign medal like any other - not an award.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post
MPN11,
He'd get the Burma Star just for being in the theatre. Everyone out there would get it.
I have it. It was just a campaign medal like any other - not an award.
Agreed, Danny42C ... but was he 'in theatre' in Rawalpindi? Wiki provided geographic limits, which do not appear to cover that location 1,000+ miles to the North-west. That's why I was musing about the possibility of participating in air operations over [but not in] the qualifying areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Star
Army and Navy personnel and Air Force ground crew serving ashore qualified through entry into operational service in Burma between 11 December 1941 and 2 September 1945.[1]
[2]
The medal was also awarded for service during certain specified periods in China, Hong Kong, India, Malaya and Sumatra, all dates inclusive:[16]
  • Bengal and Assam in India from 1 May 1942 to 31 December 1943.
  • Bengal and Assam, east of the Brahmaputra and Dihang Rivers, from 1 January 1941 to 2 September 1945.
  • China from 16 February 1942 to 2 September 1945.
  • Hong Kong from 26 December 1941 to 2 September 1945.
  • Malaya from 16 February 1942 to 2 September 1945.
  • Sumatra from 24 March 1942 to 2 September 1945.
Service in China, Hong Kong, Malaya and Sumatra after 8 December 1941, but prior to the start dates listed above, was recognised by the award of the Pacific Star.
Note [2] in the Wiki does lead to:
iv. The qualification for flying personnel posted or employed on transport or ferrying duties in the air will be at least three landings in any of the qualifying areas shown in sub-para. 38 during the stipulated dates.
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