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Gaining An R.A.F Pilots Brevet In WW II

Old 17th Apr 2015, 19:27
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Ricardian - brilliant, thanks. one learns something every day, and I had never heard of that before
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Old 17th Apr 2015, 19:55
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FZ and Danny ... YAAAY, I got it right!

I was an LEO in both Area and Terminal, but never darkened the doors of the Central Air Traffic Control School or the ATC Examining Board. I understand I was deemed 'too tactical' or something like that.

Excuse me ... back to the real world of Aviation
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Old 17th Apr 2015, 20:07
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Re the talk above about GCAs

I was familiar with some aspects of the GCA at Biggin Hill in 1954-55 (Gilfillan AN/CPN 4 - I think). One of my mates was a ground radar fitter responsible for its upkeep and ISTR that operators and technical staff working in the caravan were given milk as a cure to any problems caused by microwave radiation in the vicinity of the GCA.
I had a collection of colour transparencies showing the GCA in action, with both inside and outside shots and with the talk-down operators working inside. Sadly they were lost in a 1970’s house move and are no longer to be found - a pity.
One of my recollections was how proud the operators were to have identified the new (in 1955) TV mast at Crystal Palace, about 15-miles to the north - it showed up clearly as a permanent echo on the search screen.




This is transparency shows the AN/CPN4 on Biggin's airfield not far from Biggin's CR/DF (the small building) which can also be seen. These bods are from Biggin's Aeromodellers club taking part in a competition.
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Old 18th Apr 2015, 00:09
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Spitfire spin recovery parachutes.

Ian B-B,

You've got me "bang to rights" there, and no mistake, Guv ! Shows you're never too old to learn !

I should respect you. Thanks !

Danny.
 
Old 18th Apr 2015, 00:21
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Warmtoast,

So now a milk issue ! (where was I when all these goodies were being handed out ? - hiding behind the sofa, that's where !)

Of course you did the decent thing and handed it in to the Tea Swindle.

Danny.
 
Old 18th Apr 2015, 00:33
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ricardian,

George Spangler says "Few civilians had heard of this". This serviceman was out there at the time, and I never heard of it (shows how tight Security must have been then).

YLSNED,

Thanks, Danny.
 
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Danny & Warmtoast


There was an 'upside' to the dosimeter and milk situation ... putting a NAAFI meat pie into the wave guide of the azimuth aerial* kept the pie lovely and warm!!


* Access was through the little hatch used to wind the polarisers in/out.
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Old 18th Apr 2015, 17:07
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FantomZorbin,

Our waveguides in the old MPN-1 "Bendix" must've been hotter - our Radar techs made lovely toast that way !

Danny.

PS: This fascinating discussion is a wonderful example of our "CyberCrewRoom" working exactly as it should ! D.

PPS: 7,000 Posts coming up fast (Cliffnemo [RIP] builded better than he knew seven years ago). D.
 
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ISTR that the model is from the Keil Kraft stable
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Old 18th Apr 2015, 22:34
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Better watch out for apes in trees !
 
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The use (or abuse) of aircraft borne or ground based radar is an interesting subject. From personal experience at RAF Colerne in the early 1970's as a "singly", it was common practice for several of us to have a five minute stand in front of the CCWR scanner, being operated by an avionics tech. The purpose being to save us the cost of condoms over the weekend (in theory). Toast and reheating shepherds pie is one thing. after years of contemplating it, I came to the conclusion that all that happened was that the radar man merely wobbled the scanner, that being the case I am surprised I only have two children, that I know of

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My late father who was involved with radar in WW2 told a similar story...chaps coming to the radar transmitter hoping for radiation induced temporary infertility. He said they used to get them to lay down by the mercury arc rectifiers, as they were pretty impressive when operating. Effect on birth rate in surrounding area, not known....(!)
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 17:16
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The clock is ticking ...

There was a time when all this talk of radiation would have worried me, now it makes little odds However I have encountered a problem when donating a WW2 cockpit clock to an aviation museum. Its luminous markings are radioactive and this deadly timepiece is therefore classed as Controlled Waste which might imperil the visiting public, who are already at risk from tripping on steps, slipping on wet floors, walking into glass doors, falling over matchsticks and such hazards.

As far as I know the clock's previous owner, the Luftwaffe, was not worried by the green glow of radioactivity as such perils had yet to be invented, and far greater dangers would soon surround them as the Allied air forces gained strength.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 17:28
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Geriaviator,

Most of our generation walked around with luminous-handed wrist watches all our lives, suffered no harm and procreated normally.

Now the lunatics have taken control of the asylum.

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Plus all the cockpit dials glaring at us for so long.
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The Avro York at Duxford has a notice by the cockpit (which is also screened off with Perspex) warning of the radiation risk. Access can only be when a safety officer is present.....
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Well, I only had about 12-18 months of intensive irradiation in the Strubby Truck, and managed to eventually generate 2 sprogs (and a merciful bachelor mis-fire].

I could guess, in my massive ignorance on these matters, that the RAF was just playing safe?

[Oooh, Matron, the precursor of the nausea imposed these days ]
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"radioactive" watches

Back in the days when politicians could be respected, there goes a story of a MP attempting to make party political points about luminous watches and asking a question of the SofS of Health. It was fairly rambling and probably not much to the point but he wanted to know what effect luminous paint on wrist watches would have on the Nation's birth rate or on the condition of any babies born.

The SofS merely replied "I cannot vouch for the honourable member but I, at least, wear my wristwatch on my wrist" and left it at that.
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Old 21st Apr 2015, 00:11
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mmitch (et al),

What I'm hearing here beggars belief. In the case of the Duxford York, surely the passage of time would have reduced to insignificance any radiation from the luminous dials and switch tips (same applies to all our bedside clocks, wrist watches etc, as we all well know). And what would the Safety Officer actually do ? ("you've had your five minutes in the cockpit - that's your lot ! - out now ! - and be a Good Boy and drink your prophylatic glass of milk")
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Geriaviator,

Your clock and the Politically Correct Museum are another good example !

Xercules,

A Secretary of State with common sense - now there's a thing !

That I should live so long and have to listen to this. We'll all be frightened of our own shadows soon !

Cheers to all, Danny.
 
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Enough of this frivolity, the Safety Police act in our own best interests. One could fly in an Air Atlantique Dakota until a couple of years ago when EC regulations decreed that all public transport aircraft with exit heights above ground level must be fitted with escape slides. AirA worked wonders but even they baulked at the design and maintenance costs involved in this mod.

I would think those who travelled to Arnhem and such places would have been very relieved to jump from their Daks, knowing that an EC descent is a safe descent.
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