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I think we've approached this the wrong way round.
If someone told me i looked like a chap from a band, even one that openly traded upon being camp i would probably either be 'somewhat amused' or might upgrade to 'a little seen off'.
However, if anyone ever tells me i look like the SP in question, I'd sue them to smithereens.
Junglie, i reckon there's a writ on it's way from a piano accompanying poof who'll be a little peeved. He's the victim here.
If someone told me i looked like a chap from a band, even one that openly traded upon being camp i would probably either be 'somewhat amused' or might upgrade to 'a little seen off'.
However, if anyone ever tells me i look like the SP in question, I'd sue them to smithereens.
Junglie, i reckon there's a writ on it's way from a piano accompanying poof who'll be a little peeved. He's the victim here.
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My point was/is that the comments simply serve to confirm that some people in the services evidently still think it's somehow funny to post-up that kind of joke which, at its very heart, is based on the notion that being gay is either funny or at least something which has to be highlighted as if it's an embarrassment.
Um..sorry for the escalation
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Sorry to disappoint you Brick, but as I said previously, there's nothing I can add to posts that simply repeat points which have been made (and answered) previously. You'll have to save your obsessive hatred for me for another time *kiss*
Some rather 'tetchy old queen' comments on this thread.
At least another well-known PPRuNe poof (his own words) used to entertain with incisive banter - truly a gay wit in all senses of the word!
A chum was once involved in filming for some SSVC documentary and the producer was somewhat light in the loafers. But he took and gave the pi$$ quite happily - and also 'camped it up' outrageously; at one stage some paras had to wade through a river armed to the teeth looking all warry. After the first take he squealed "Ooh, that was lovely, dears. But can we do it again - and this time try to be a bit more butch?"
History does not recall the reaction of the para sgt in question!
At least another well-known PPRuNe poof (his own words) used to entertain with incisive banter - truly a gay wit in all senses of the word!
A chum was once involved in filming for some SSVC documentary and the producer was somewhat light in the loafers. But he took and gave the pi$$ quite happily - and also 'camped it up' outrageously; at one stage some paras had to wade through a river armed to the teeth looking all warry. After the first take he squealed "Ooh, that was lovely, dears. But can we do it again - and this time try to be a bit more butch?"
History does not recall the reaction of the para sgt in question!
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Originally Posted by Tim
You'll have to save your obsessive hatred for me for another time *kiss*
Let us, for a moment, draw an analogy between gay vs Irish. Both have been subject to hate crimes, both have been subject to various jokes, neither are immediately obvious from outward appearance.
Let us imagine for example, a rather (fictitious) curmudgeonly RN pilot; a PPruner remarks an uncanny resemblance to Frank Carson which is made more humourous and aposite by dint of the fact that Frank Carson has a seemingly opposite personality.
Now would anyone take this to be anti-Irish?
No. Would my fellow compatriots be up in arms expressing indignation? Unlikely.In my experience, I have found too many individual members of "minority" groups are actually looking for prejudice and seek it out; thus misinterpreting well-meaning banter as something more sinister when it just doesn't exist.
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Whirls,
That's very dodgy territory. All it takes is an individual's personal perception and interpretation of discrimination or humiliation through what someone else deems harmless banter and next it's a tribunal and ker-ching! a six figure sum in the bank at tax-payers expense.
Individuals have different levels of tolerance towards intolerance. When someone says enough is enough, we should respect that. Mind you, saying that, some people line themselves up for a fall and deserve all that they get. They usually get found out in time.
That's very dodgy territory. All it takes is an individual's personal perception and interpretation of discrimination or humiliation through what someone else deems harmless banter and next it's a tribunal and ker-ching! a six figure sum in the bank at tax-payers expense.
Individuals have different levels of tolerance towards intolerance. When someone says enough is enough, we should respect that. Mind you, saying that, some people line themselves up for a fall and deserve all that they get. They usually get found out in time.
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Bea, why is that dodgy territory? I'm not going to kow-tow to the PC brigade who dictate that I have to tippee-toe around everyone for fear of saying the wrong thing and being sued??? And neither should anyone else!
As far as I can see, the issue here is that one person (only) was offended by a joke which everyone else found harmless. By translating the "joke" to a different, persecuted minority, I am dermonstrating that maybe one person has taken the joke the wrong way and should not have any need to feel aggrieved.
Happens all the time in real life; someone takes offence, another explains that the offence was not meant and all is well with the world again.
I am hoping that the one person here understands that there is no offence meant and none should be taken.
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As far as I can see, the issue here is that one person (only) was offended by a joke which everyone else found harmless. By translating the "joke" to a different, persecuted minority, I am dermonstrating that maybe one person has taken the joke the wrong way and should not have any need to feel aggrieved.
Happens all the time in real life; someone takes offence, another explains that the offence was not meant and all is well with the world again.
I am hoping that the one person here understands that there is no offence meant and none should be taken.
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Well Old Fella I think you have the thing bang to rights. If that type of behaviour were natural then the human race would have stalled at rotation
the other comment, re the alimentary tract and the fundamental orifice being a one way street is almost true until one day you hit the big 50 and the MO wants to check your prostate 
Never have I thought so much pain could come from so small an area. Damn glad to be straight!!!!!!!!!!!!
the other comment, re the alimentary tract and the fundamental orifice being a one way street is almost true until one day you hit the big 50 and the MO wants to check your prostate Never have I thought so much pain could come from so small an area. Damn glad to be straight!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Painful, Oh Yeah!
Straightshooter. Oh so true mate. You may note my age, had the "rebore" of the plumbing and no more "rear end entry" checks required in the foreseeable future.
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5 pages for a thread that would have probably run its course after two.
The reason why? Because someone who wasn't in the know about an in joke took offence on behalf of either that person, or because of the lifestyle that he wrongly felt was being ridiculed.
As Junglie has stated - the fact that they look a like Z list celeb who happened to be an uphill gardender was not really the point - if SPSHAR had looked like one of the Wurzels, then no doubt that would have been stated... I can't see that many farmers would have got so worked up.
It's been proved on this thread that there are some extreme views, however Tim claims that homosexuality is as natural as Heterosexuality; the arguments over that have been done to death on here now.
However the point that Tim is missing which is something that is common whenever people try to promote 'minority' or 'different' (for the want of a better word) lifestyles or cultures is that by bleating on so much about it he actually causes resentment and encourages it (resentment) in people who would normally not give a hoot.
There's a fine line between defending yourself or sticking up for a lifestyle choice, however despite some of the comments on here,which people are entitled to have, we are very tolerant in the UK, no more so than in respect to gay couples... hell they have more rights than a man and woman have that live together but choose not to marry.
Continually bleating on about how hard done by or how cruel some people can be does not endear you to otherwise tolerant individuals. After a while it encourages them to have a go at you, not out of any hatred or bigotry, but because they are sick of hearing about it and they know they can wind you up.
That might not be mature in your eyes, but it's human nature and is a particular type of humour that is used in the forces.
You have posted on this forum - it's not Jet Blast but these are people who serve or have served - you must know what kind of humour to expect.
Whether you agree with it or not, your best course of action after your initial complaint, would be to walk away; especially as the original poster tried to explain the post to you (which he did not need to do); yet you still took offence.
People would quickly lose interest if you let it be; because you have not, it still continues.
The reason why? Because someone who wasn't in the know about an in joke took offence on behalf of either that person, or because of the lifestyle that he wrongly felt was being ridiculed.
As Junglie has stated - the fact that they look a like Z list celeb who happened to be an uphill gardender was not really the point - if SPSHAR had looked like one of the Wurzels, then no doubt that would have been stated... I can't see that many farmers would have got so worked up.
It's been proved on this thread that there are some extreme views, however Tim claims that homosexuality is as natural as Heterosexuality; the arguments over that have been done to death on here now.
However the point that Tim is missing which is something that is common whenever people try to promote 'minority' or 'different' (for the want of a better word) lifestyles or cultures is that by bleating on so much about it he actually causes resentment and encourages it (resentment) in people who would normally not give a hoot.
There's a fine line between defending yourself or sticking up for a lifestyle choice, however despite some of the comments on here,which people are entitled to have, we are very tolerant in the UK, no more so than in respect to gay couples... hell they have more rights than a man and woman have that live together but choose not to marry.
Continually bleating on about how hard done by or how cruel some people can be does not endear you to otherwise tolerant individuals. After a while it encourages them to have a go at you, not out of any hatred or bigotry, but because they are sick of hearing about it and they know they can wind you up.
That might not be mature in your eyes, but it's human nature and is a particular type of humour that is used in the forces.
You have posted on this forum - it's not Jet Blast but these are people who serve or have served - you must know what kind of humour to expect.
Whether you agree with it or not, your best course of action after your initial complaint, would be to walk away; especially as the original poster tried to explain the post to you (which he did not need to do); yet you still took offence.
People would quickly lose interest if you let it be; because you have not, it still continues.
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