Ex Shar SP gets new job in Jonathon Ross's House Band
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There's that pesky item of being or having been somehow directly involved with military aviation again before lecturing the audience (edited to add) on what they should or should not post in a mil aircrew forum:
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Oh Timmy Tim Tim, you are a wally. If you knew either the individual concerned or anyone who gets the joke, then you might understand our sense of humour. Why don't you run along and write another dull book about a cold war relic. Cheesepiece.
Tim,
I know how long you've been in this business, so I know that you must know that however much you might like the services to embrace political correctness, they really have not done so. Banter remains robust and vigorous, and that while no-one would discriminate against gay folk on the basis of their preferences, ripping the pi$$ out of them is unexceptionable in this environment in a way that it no longer is in wider society. Most gay service people have developed thick skins and a nice line in self deprecation, and they give as good as they get (ooh err) and neither need nor expect well meaning indignation on their behalf.
Almost every group gets insulted and laughed at (gingers, blunties, milk-drinkers, chisellers, navigators, fast jet pilots, Herc drivers, civvies, journos et al, are all targets for banter from someone). Perhaps you should view this thread as confirmation that gay servicemen are accepted - they're getting the same kind of banter as anyone else!
And isn't it rather better for gays and their defenders that most people now regard homosexuals with some degree of tolerant (and even affectionate) amusement for their peculiar practises, rather than with utter revulsion at what many once saw (and some still see) as their vile, filthy and unnatural abomination?
All of the humour on this thread has been pretty gentle, after all.
And journos who write dull books about Vulcans aren't immune from being bantered, either, so you needn't feel left out!
I know how long you've been in this business, so I know that you must know that however much you might like the services to embrace political correctness, they really have not done so. Banter remains robust and vigorous, and that while no-one would discriminate against gay folk on the basis of their preferences, ripping the pi$$ out of them is unexceptionable in this environment in a way that it no longer is in wider society. Most gay service people have developed thick skins and a nice line in self deprecation, and they give as good as they get (ooh err) and neither need nor expect well meaning indignation on their behalf.
Almost every group gets insulted and laughed at (gingers, blunties, milk-drinkers, chisellers, navigators, fast jet pilots, Herc drivers, civvies, journos et al, are all targets for banter from someone). Perhaps you should view this thread as confirmation that gay servicemen are accepted - they're getting the same kind of banter as anyone else!
And isn't it rather better for gays and their defenders that most people now regard homosexuals with some degree of tolerant (and even affectionate) amusement for their peculiar practises, rather than with utter revulsion at what many once saw (and some still see) as their vile, filthy and unnatural abomination?
All of the humour on this thread has been pretty gentle, after all.
And journos who write dull books about Vulcans aren't immune from being bantered, either, so you needn't feel left out!
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(and some still see)
Count me among those that still see. Tim and his friends should all be made to eat a couple of bowls of Ford Pills or red hot peppers so that they really understand what certain parts of the anatomy are really for.
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The amusing thing is, that it wasn't gay banter either, the individual concerned isn't gay, (I understand), this fella in the band just looks like him! The situation of him being in the band is the funny bit......the uproar for un-PC banter is way off the mark, which just makes the whole thing funnier....
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Tim,
In recent times I've had separate operations which have left me with erectile problems and a very crooked smile. You might imagine the banter I endure in my local 'animals' bar, led by one or two ex-uniformed scrotes. Such unkind comments as 'need a stiify tonight?' and 'brought the bib with you?' are now the norm - wouldn't have it any other way! Put up with the banter and find a way of joining in - go on, lighten up and have a larf at yourself for a change.
In recent times I've had separate operations which have left me with erectile problems and a very crooked smile. You might imagine the banter I endure in my local 'animals' bar, led by one or two ex-uniformed scrotes. Such unkind comments as 'need a stiify tonight?' and 'brought the bib with you?' are now the norm - wouldn't have it any other way! Put up with the banter and find a way of joining in - go on, lighten up and have a larf at yourself for a change.
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If the SP in question was genuinely gay (not sure such devotion to looking like Iggy Pop would leave any time for it..) and treated the gay community as he treated ours it would be toast overnight!
With appointing acumen such as his he'd have straight chaps in gay billets and vice versa before sunrise.
That being said, the fellow in the house band looks a little like the SP, but also bares a resemblence to a short SHAR/ Jungly re-tread with a higher than average need for hair products and 'preparation-H'.
Can someone explain to me how noticing that a gay person looks like a straight person (or vice versa) is at all insulting to either party or bigotted in anyway?
With appointing acumen such as his he'd have straight chaps in gay billets and vice versa before sunrise.
That being said, the fellow in the house band looks a little like the SP, but also bares a resemblence to a short SHAR/ Jungly re-tread with a higher than average need for hair products and 'preparation-H'.
Can someone explain to me how noticing that a gay person looks like a straight person (or vice versa) is at all insulting to either party or bigotted in anyway?
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Okay, okay, I didn't want to start a major argument over nothing, I just felt it was worth saying that jokes aside, the idea of putting-up a post like this one (even a good-natured one as I assume this was) is just a wee bit too infantile when the basic theme of the joke is merely that the guy in question happens to look like the member of a gay singing group. On the face of it, the joke might seem harmless but this is a site used by lots of people and I'm sure there will be more than a few of these who are gay people who might have joined the forces or at least be thinking about it (Air Cadets etc). How on Earth will people like that perceive comments like this? They might have been forgiven for thinking that this kind of schoolboy sniggering had died-out in the forces but it clearly hasn't and I doubt if it would give them much encouragement to consider joining the ranks. Agreed, this kind of banter is only to be expected, and is perfectly acceptable amongst work mates who know each other and take it as a friendly joke, but on a well-used public forum?
I'm all for good humour but come on, this is 2008; surely childish "ooh he looks like someone who is gay, isn't that funny" jokes are a bit last decade? I'm surprised we haven't had the follow-on gags about carrying a handbag or something equally imaginative! Humour is always a good thing but we ought to be adult enough to have grown-out of this kind of nonsense. Besides, whatever would the MoD's PC brigade think after all their efforts and money-spending?
Incidentally Orca you raise an interesting point there; suggesting that a straight person is gay or vice versa shouldn't be perceived as an insult. The point is, silly jokes like this one are based on the very assumption that by suggesting someone is gay, it is funny. Of course someone's sexual preference is actually of no consequence to anyone and not even of any interest to most, but somehow we're expected to snigger at the idea. That is what's insulting about it, although to be fair I personally don't find it insulting - it would take a whole lot more than that to offend me!
Oh, and Old Fella, I have to say that your comments suggest an hilariously outdated view of what you imagine gay men get up to behind closed doors. Hate to ruin your stereotypical misconceptions but you really ought to be aware that there's absolutely nothing that goes on in a gay man's bedroom that doesn't go on in straight bedrooms too - the only difference is the sex of the persons involved. Think you've been watching too many Carry On films
I'm all for good humour but come on, this is 2008; surely childish "ooh he looks like someone who is gay, isn't that funny" jokes are a bit last decade? I'm surprised we haven't had the follow-on gags about carrying a handbag or something equally imaginative! Humour is always a good thing but we ought to be adult enough to have grown-out of this kind of nonsense. Besides, whatever would the MoD's PC brigade think after all their efforts and money-spending?
Incidentally Orca you raise an interesting point there; suggesting that a straight person is gay or vice versa shouldn't be perceived as an insult. The point is, silly jokes like this one are based on the very assumption that by suggesting someone is gay, it is funny. Of course someone's sexual preference is actually of no consequence to anyone and not even of any interest to most, but somehow we're expected to snigger at the idea. That is what's insulting about it, although to be fair I personally don't find it insulting - it would take a whole lot more than that to offend me!
Oh, and Old Fella, I have to say that your comments suggest an hilariously outdated view of what you imagine gay men get up to behind closed doors. Hate to ruin your stereotypical misconceptions but you really ought to be aware that there's absolutely nothing that goes on in a gay man's bedroom that doesn't go on in straight bedrooms too - the only difference is the sex of the persons involved. Think you've been watching too many Carry On films
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Nothing goes on in a gay man's bedroom which doen't go on in a straight man's?
Tim, nothing whatsoever misguided about my perceptions. The comment about the only difference being the sex of those involved in "gay" v "straight" is the whole point Tim. I am just pleased that during my more than 20 years of military service "gay's" were not tolerated. That modern society has allowed themselves to be "brain washed" into thinking there is nothing abnormal in homosexual relations does not mean we all have to accept that view. My argument is and always has been "If it is normal, let two men produce a child" and likewise "Let two women produce a child" without any involvement of the opposite sex. The day that happens, I might review my sentiments. If you think being gay blows your hair back, go for it but don't try and convince me that it is "normal".
It doesn't go on in my bedroom, Tim!
My botty's a one-way street, a non return valve.
Putting things up it (or anyone else's, male or female) is not what I call 'perfectly natural'.
And I don't think that believing that gay men engage in sodomy is a "hilariously outdated view of what you imagine gay men get up to behind closed doors."
and any potential gay recruit should be aware that he's entering a less PC environment than he'll be useful. PPRuNe reflects that.
My botty's a one-way street, a non return valve.
Putting things up it (or anyone else's, male or female) is not what I call 'perfectly natural'.
And I don't think that believing that gay men engage in sodomy is a "hilariously outdated view of what you imagine gay men get up to behind closed doors."
and any potential gay recruit should be aware that he's entering a less PC environment than he'll be useful. PPRuNe reflects that.
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Blimey junglie - look what you've gone and done now.
I for one have sorely missed the banter 'outside' these last decades - and enjoyed this one. I've seen a lot worse
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I for one have sorely missed the banter 'outside' these last decades - and enjoyed this one. I've seen a lot worse
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Dan, I think you're slightly missing the point? Naturally, a band can call themselves whatever they like, and if they want to present themselves as four "poofs" then that's entirely their choice. Hardly the same thing as trying to get a cheap joke out of suggesting someone is gay who isn't.
Old fellah, you're obviously entitled to think what you like, but you can't ignore reality. Homosexuality is normal by definition, unless you're trying to suggest that being gay is somehow unusual. For heaven's sake, homos have been around as long everybody else, the only difference is that our society (fuelled by the church of course) simply tried to ignore the fact until we reached a point where ignoring reality was just too absurd a position to maintain. Naturally you can bang-on about making children or the Bible or any other clap-trap that you choose to subscribe to, but it doesn't matter; society has moved-on and if you choose to stick in the dark ages until you die, then that's obviously your prerogative. It matters not.
As for this obsession with sodomy, it's fascinating how this subject always gets raised by straight people, who seem to be more interested in it that us poofs. Inexplicably, in the twisted mind of ill-adjusted straight people, it seems that their definition of a gay man is someone who engages in sodomy. Perversely, the dictionary definition of homosexuality never mentions sodomy oddly enough... Here's the horrible truth of the matter - some gay men do engage in sodomy and some don't. Likewise some straight men also engage in sodomy with women, and some don't. I know it's disappointing to imagine that us poofs aren't all obessed with the subject but I'm afraid that's the way it is, even if media, inter-service jokes and out-of-touch fools might like to suggest otherwise. Actually, the fascinating aspect of this matter is that based on the stories I hear from other people, it's actually the straight folks that seem to spend more time engaging in sodomy, even though they seem compelled to believe that it's us poofs.
It never ceases to amaze me how some straight people seem unable to accept that homosexuality means precisely that - an attraction to a person of the same sex. Everything else, the supposed orgies of sodomy, the drag, mincing, limp wrists, Aids, or anything else, is just baggage that gets attached to us by the media and people who don't know any better. The dull reality is that we're just the same as everybody else. And yet even in 2008, someone still thinks it's somehow hilarious to suggest that one of his straight colleagues is gay. I know service attitudes can often lag behind mainstream society but really... that's not lagging behind, it's standing still!
Old fellah, you're obviously entitled to think what you like, but you can't ignore reality. Homosexuality is normal by definition, unless you're trying to suggest that being gay is somehow unusual. For heaven's sake, homos have been around as long everybody else, the only difference is that our society (fuelled by the church of course) simply tried to ignore the fact until we reached a point where ignoring reality was just too absurd a position to maintain. Naturally you can bang-on about making children or the Bible or any other clap-trap that you choose to subscribe to, but it doesn't matter; society has moved-on and if you choose to stick in the dark ages until you die, then that's obviously your prerogative. It matters not.
As for this obsession with sodomy, it's fascinating how this subject always gets raised by straight people, who seem to be more interested in it that us poofs. Inexplicably, in the twisted mind of ill-adjusted straight people, it seems that their definition of a gay man is someone who engages in sodomy. Perversely, the dictionary definition of homosexuality never mentions sodomy oddly enough... Here's the horrible truth of the matter - some gay men do engage in sodomy and some don't. Likewise some straight men also engage in sodomy with women, and some don't. I know it's disappointing to imagine that us poofs aren't all obessed with the subject but I'm afraid that's the way it is, even if media, inter-service jokes and out-of-touch fools might like to suggest otherwise. Actually, the fascinating aspect of this matter is that based on the stories I hear from other people, it's actually the straight folks that seem to spend more time engaging in sodomy, even though they seem compelled to believe that it's us poofs.
It never ceases to amaze me how some straight people seem unable to accept that homosexuality means precisely that - an attraction to a person of the same sex. Everything else, the supposed orgies of sodomy, the drag, mincing, limp wrists, Aids, or anything else, is just baggage that gets attached to us by the media and people who don't know any better. The dull reality is that we're just the same as everybody else. And yet even in 2008, someone still thinks it's somehow hilarious to suggest that one of his straight colleagues is gay. I know service attitudes can often lag behind mainstream society but really... that's not lagging behind, it's standing still!
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Good god Tim, wanting us to accept man-love as normal, next you'll be wanting voting rights for women!
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Tim, I'll gladly go to my grave believing I'm correct in saying sex acts between men are totally ABNORMAL. My belief is not based on religion or morals, just a belief that homosexual sex acts are not the way. You can do whatever you like but, as I previously said, don't try and convince me that I am somehow out of touch. Just because some in society share your belief and have, in some places, convinced law makers that to ridicule a phoofter is a crime does not make your point of view correct, it just makes it legal.