Ex Shar SP gets new job in Jonathon Ross's House Band
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For once Dan, I have to agree with Brick - does anyone care?!
Only reason it might have escaped your notice that I am, in fact, a fully paid-up member of the homo club, is that I don't usually feel any need to broadcast the fact, unless asked. I doubt if it would be of much interest to anyone
Only reason it might have escaped your notice that I am, in fact, a fully paid-up member of the homo club, is that I don't usually feel any need to broadcast the fact, unless asked. I doubt if it would be of much interest to anyone
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Paedophilia could be said to be a form of sexuality also. Will logical progression one day dictate that we have to accept that also...to be p-cee?
Why do some people actively seek offence in anything? Huge chips on shoulders in lieu of eppauletes.
Those who are good with colours and have hoops like the Japanese flag need to learn to that the majority of us could not give a toss about their bedroom antics just as long as they dont expect us to agree with them.
The basic point is that a person's sexuality is a simple fact of life and if you can't (or won't) accept that then it's a shame.
Why do some people actively seek offence in anything? Huge chips on shoulders in lieu of eppauletes.
Those who are good with colours and have hoops like the Japanese flag need to learn to that the majority of us could not give a toss about their bedroom antics just as long as they dont expect us to agree with them.
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Auntie Whirls is detecting some inner security issues here. I am a fully paid up member of a number of minority groups within aviation; I'm a banjo-playing, red-headed, Irish, female helicopter pilot. And a Chartered Accountant. If I haven't heard a joke, then it ain't been invented!!
Tim, the issue in hand was a joke about a chap, a good egg, whom many of the people here know personally. It's banter, and I'm sure if the fine gentleman concerned took offence, he would have said so, There really is no need to take offence on someone else's behalf. If you have a battle to fight, than fight it on your ground, not on someone else's.
Personally, I don't think there is any battle unless you want to start it. What started as an "in" joke has now become quite unpleasant; not in content but in meaning and someone needs to take a step back, accept things for what they are, brush them off and move on.
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Tim, the issue in hand was a joke about a chap, a good egg, whom many of the people here know personally. It's banter, and I'm sure if the fine gentleman concerned took offence, he would have said so, There really is no need to take offence on someone else's behalf. If you have a battle to fight, than fight it on your ground, not on someone else's.
Personally, I don't think there is any battle unless you want to start it. What started as an "in" joke has now become quite unpleasant; not in content but in meaning and someone needs to take a step back, accept things for what they are, brush them off and move on.
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Whirls has got it in one Tim. If people didn't make such a fuss, then it wouldn't ever be an issue. Mind you, I am really looking forward to this year's Straight Pride bash......................
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Dan, would have joined you but the dates clash with the banjo-playing-red-headed-Irish-female rotary pride march.
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Wow, I never knew that when I first smirked at the telly on a Friday night and then decided to post my thoughts on here for the light hearted amusement of my ex colleagues that I would spark a huge Gay rights debate!!
Tim, let me educate you a little and open your eyes somewhat.
The banter concerned was nothing to do with the fact that the individual concerned “looks a bit gay” or has come out since leaving the forces. As far as I know he is still failing to trap women like he always did but never did the “ten to two you’ll do” with a man! It has everything to do with his total lack of people skills leading to him (potentially) failing any interview he went for and ending up in a band to pay the mortgage. Perhaps he even had to pretend to be gay to get in (like Whoopi Goldberg pretending to be a nun in that crap film).
Had there been a particularly crap or amusing contestant in Britain’s got talent that resembled the same individual I may have felt it necessary to post that instead.
Had you been “in the know” you would know all of the above and found the joke amusing instead of it sparking some inner desire to expurgate your rage onto this thread, therefore hijacking and ruining my light hearted banter thread.
Thank you to all that have replied with the good nature and humour I intended.
I am though somewhat concerned at the darker elements, perhaps we can leave the paedophilia, murder and Gay bashing to crimewatch.
Love to you all, Bigots, Homos and Banjo playing red headed Irish females alike.
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Tim, let me educate you a little and open your eyes somewhat.
The banter concerned was nothing to do with the fact that the individual concerned “looks a bit gay” or has come out since leaving the forces. As far as I know he is still failing to trap women like he always did but never did the “ten to two you’ll do” with a man! It has everything to do with his total lack of people skills leading to him (potentially) failing any interview he went for and ending up in a band to pay the mortgage. Perhaps he even had to pretend to be gay to get in (like Whoopi Goldberg pretending to be a nun in that crap film).
Had there been a particularly crap or amusing contestant in Britain’s got talent that resembled the same individual I may have felt it necessary to post that instead.
Had you been “in the know” you would know all of the above and found the joke amusing instead of it sparking some inner desire to expurgate your rage onto this thread, therefore hijacking and ruining my light hearted banter thread.
Thank you to all that have replied with the good nature and humour I intended.
I am though somewhat concerned at the darker elements, perhaps we can leave the paedophilia, murder and Gay bashing to crimewatch.
Love to you all, Bigots, Homos and Banjo playing red headed Irish females alike.
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Just as a postscript to a surprisingly revealing thread.
The Torygraph, usually concludes an obituary, of a man who was gay but not openly so, with the words, 'He never married'.
Must say that of all the posts the banjo-playing Irish redhead was bang on the money.
The Torygraph, usually concludes an obituary, of a man who was gay but not openly so, with the words, 'He never married'.
Must say that of all the posts the banjo-playing Irish redhead was bang on the money.
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Tim, Had you been “in the know”
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Wow, an awful lot of tangents to go-off on there!
I don't wish to waste time by repeating myself (and boring everyone to tears!) but as I've already said at least twice, it's not about whether the person concerned takes offence or not. Presumably he would think it's just a joke, and if the joke had been based on some other premise I'm sure it might have been just as funny to the people involved, but it wasn't. What I said was that it's just not really appropriate for a thread on Pprune, because the site is used by lots of serving personnel and (perhaps more importantly) lots of people who are considering/planning joining the ranks. My point was/is that the comments simply serve to confirm that some people in the services evidently still think it's somehow funny to post-up that kind of joke which, at its very heart, is based on the notion that being gay is either funny or at least something which has to be highlighted as if it's an embarrassment.
I fully accept that some people evidently think I'm just over-reacting but then it's easy to think that way if you're on the other side of the gay/straight "fence". It might seem like a throw-away comment but endless "friendly" jokes like that have a nasty habit of reinforcing some people's insecurities. Spare a thought for younger guys (or girls) who may well be coming to terms with their sexuality. If they keep on reading comments like that (which by definition, are based on the assumption that there's something funny about it), then it simply reinforces their fears. It certainly isn't going to encourage them to imagine that they'll be welcomed into the services with open arms (ooh er!). Might not seem like much of a big deal to all you seemingly well-adjusted straight people but not to others.
Personally, I don't take offence at all. I've heard every cheap gag and good-natured jibe and nasty remark that you could imagine. I couldn't care less. But I'm also old and wise enough to know that there are plenty of other people who don't shrug-off this kind of thing. It would seem that the MoD's "PC Brigade" are making some effort to persuade service personnel to dig themselves out of this kind of schoolboy silliness but I accept that it will always happen, because that's how service personnel are, by nature. But there is a big difference between mates winding each other up and making friendly jokes, and posting-up that kind of comment on a well-used forum.
I imagine that to lots of you it does look like I'm making a fuss over nothing. But as I've said, it always looks that way if you're not the subject of the joke. What if it had been some equally outdated gag about a guy being black and how he'd been mistaken for a member of a Zulu tribe? Hilarious? No, not at all, it would just sound silly and childish, and serve to convince more than a few black people that service personnel still think it's fair game to churn-out such "jokes" on the basis that being black is somehow funny too. The big difference is that nobody would even dream of saying something like that now, it's just that we're still at a stage in our society where even though most people have grown-up and got over the whole gay thing, us poofs, benders, faries, homos, fags, or whatever other name you like, still have to endure this kind of nonsense that used to come out of tabloids and TV sitcoms twenty years ago. Anyone who knows me will testify that I'm a good natured guy with a very good sense of humour but this kind of stuff, innocent though it may seem, is just tedious and ultimately offensive, and (more importantly, bearing in mind this forum) destructive to the kind of adult workplace that the MoD wants to establish.
Regardless of your views, maybe the simplest way I could ask you to look at this is if you can mentally reverse the situation and imagine how you'd feel if your place within society was also reversed and the joke was being made at the expense of straight people? Before you immediately claim that you'd simply laugh heartily and move-on, try taking into consideration all the rubbish that us homos have to hear and see on a daily basis, and then make a judgement. No, I'm not claiming that our lives are made into misery (although some people's are of course) but believe me, this kind of stuff does get very, very tiresome
I don't wish to waste time by repeating myself (and boring everyone to tears!) but as I've already said at least twice, it's not about whether the person concerned takes offence or not. Presumably he would think it's just a joke, and if the joke had been based on some other premise I'm sure it might have been just as funny to the people involved, but it wasn't. What I said was that it's just not really appropriate for a thread on Pprune, because the site is used by lots of serving personnel and (perhaps more importantly) lots of people who are considering/planning joining the ranks. My point was/is that the comments simply serve to confirm that some people in the services evidently still think it's somehow funny to post-up that kind of joke which, at its very heart, is based on the notion that being gay is either funny or at least something which has to be highlighted as if it's an embarrassment.
I fully accept that some people evidently think I'm just over-reacting but then it's easy to think that way if you're on the other side of the gay/straight "fence". It might seem like a throw-away comment but endless "friendly" jokes like that have a nasty habit of reinforcing some people's insecurities. Spare a thought for younger guys (or girls) who may well be coming to terms with their sexuality. If they keep on reading comments like that (which by definition, are based on the assumption that there's something funny about it), then it simply reinforces their fears. It certainly isn't going to encourage them to imagine that they'll be welcomed into the services with open arms (ooh er!). Might not seem like much of a big deal to all you seemingly well-adjusted straight people but not to others.
Personally, I don't take offence at all. I've heard every cheap gag and good-natured jibe and nasty remark that you could imagine. I couldn't care less. But I'm also old and wise enough to know that there are plenty of other people who don't shrug-off this kind of thing. It would seem that the MoD's "PC Brigade" are making some effort to persuade service personnel to dig themselves out of this kind of schoolboy silliness but I accept that it will always happen, because that's how service personnel are, by nature. But there is a big difference between mates winding each other up and making friendly jokes, and posting-up that kind of comment on a well-used forum.
I imagine that to lots of you it does look like I'm making a fuss over nothing. But as I've said, it always looks that way if you're not the subject of the joke. What if it had been some equally outdated gag about a guy being black and how he'd been mistaken for a member of a Zulu tribe? Hilarious? No, not at all, it would just sound silly and childish, and serve to convince more than a few black people that service personnel still think it's fair game to churn-out such "jokes" on the basis that being black is somehow funny too. The big difference is that nobody would even dream of saying something like that now, it's just that we're still at a stage in our society where even though most people have grown-up and got over the whole gay thing, us poofs, benders, faries, homos, fags, or whatever other name you like, still have to endure this kind of nonsense that used to come out of tabloids and TV sitcoms twenty years ago. Anyone who knows me will testify that I'm a good natured guy with a very good sense of humour but this kind of stuff, innocent though it may seem, is just tedious and ultimately offensive, and (more importantly, bearing in mind this forum) destructive to the kind of adult workplace that the MoD wants to establish.
Regardless of your views, maybe the simplest way I could ask you to look at this is if you can mentally reverse the situation and imagine how you'd feel if your place within society was also reversed and the joke was being made at the expense of straight people? Before you immediately claim that you'd simply laugh heartily and move-on, try taking into consideration all the rubbish that us homos have to hear and see on a daily basis, and then make a judgement. No, I'm not claiming that our lives are made into misery (although some people's are of course) but believe me, this kind of stuff does get very, very tiresome
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Dan, I think you're slightly missing the point? Naturally, a band can call themselves whatever they like, and if they want to present themselves as four "poofs" then that's entirely their choice. Hardly the same thing as trying to get a cheap joke out of suggesting someone is gay who isn't.
It has been mentioned that, due to my body shape, moustache, glasses and hair I look more than a little like Captain Mainwaring (and indeed I do). It doesn't mean that I actually AM a bank manager who wears an Army uniform in the evening!
Relax old chap - as a bald, fat, speccy I accept jokes made about me and in return I expect to be able to make jokes about skinny, hairy people with big ears. The same should also apply to race, colour and sexuality - if someone can't take a joke then they should get off the planet!
The original post never mentioned anyone's sexuality.
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For the record, I believe that the one who's missed the point is YOU - however, I accept that we have differing opinions.
I know gay people who are genuinely happy to have a laugh and a joke about their sexuality - genuinely happy that is, not just putting on an act. They give as good as they get on the banter front - my sexuality/looks/personality etc are all fair game.
Would you be equally upset if the original picture had been of an Orang Utan because the "victim" was ginger and had long hair? No, you'd have thought it funny. But because it pertains to your sexuality then it's a different story. Well, I've got news for you old chap - it ISN'T a different story. Life's like that and the sooner you accept that and come down off your high horse the better.
Gay, straight, fat, thin, bald, hairy, speccy, blonde, ginger, tall, short whatever - we all have a cross to bear and we will all have jokes made about some aspect of our looks or character.
Of course, if we are all so horribly homo-phobic that you can't stand to be in our presence, you are perfectly entitled to bugger off and take your shoulder-mounted-chip with you.
(please note: telling you to "bugger off" has no relevance to sexuality - it's just a phrase)
NB: edited for typo errors.
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hmm... as I feared, this is degenerating into a slanging match which is pointless. I've explained my point repeatedly and as carefully as I can but we're just going to go round in circles here if people simply repeat the same comments. That's no an argument, it's just a series of monologues.
There's nothing I can add really. Every "question" has already been answered in my previous posts, so if this is just going to be more repetition combined with selective silly comments, it's going to be of no interest to me or anyone else.
There's nothing I can add really. Every "question" has already been answered in my previous posts, so if this is just going to be more repetition combined with selective silly comments, it's going to be of no interest to me or anyone else.
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Originally Posted by Tim McLelland 
geez, talk about missing the point
geez, talk about missing the point
What is funny, is that had he indeed been gay, he would probably have been more articulate, most gay people I know are erudite precisely because they are "good with colours" in a way that most on here will never comprehend.
I must admit to being slightly puzzled as to why you felt the need to in form us of your own sexuality. It doesn't matter a hoot and the less enlightened souls on here will sadly take what you have posted on this thread somewhat less seriously than if you hadn't mentioned it.
Apart from that, I completely agree with you that a person's bedroom pastimes should be a matter between two consenting adults only and am pleased that this thread hasn't descended into the slanging match so common to others on this forum, it's been great to have watched the discussion and differing viewpoints unfold.
'Nuff said...........Viva la banter and well done Junglie!!!
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au contraire Dan, I don't know how many times I have to say this before anyone understands that I've been saying, but the whole premise of the original throw-away gag is very simple isn't it? It's based on the notion that being gay is funny, otherwise what would be amusing about supposedly mistaking the bloke for a member of Jonathan's house band? It wasn't any other band as well you know, and I don't think any of us are dumb enough to not see why. I'm not quite sure why people can't (or won't) get that basic point.
As for the comment about me proclaiming my sexuality, I don't think I did... I seem to recall that it was you who raised the subject to which I merely answered.
As for the comment about me proclaiming my sexuality, I don't think I did... I seem to recall that it was you who raised the subject to which I merely answered.
