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I don't think there's anything 'repressed' about him. *
Rather I believe it's a basic non-understanding for the necessity of military humor - non-PC or not - mixed in with wanting an audience for his Vulcan, et al, books or his 'starter' book for an alternative lifestyle.
Decisions, decisions...............
*(Not that there's anything wrong with that)
Rather I believe it's a basic non-understanding for the necessity of military humor - non-PC or not - mixed in with wanting an audience for his Vulcan, et al, books or his 'starter' book for an alternative lifestyle.
Decisions, decisions...............
*(Not that there's anything wrong with that)
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That's fair enough Old Fellah, you're welcome to think whatever you like, I just don't quite understand how you perceive homosexuality to be "abnormal" when it's existed just as long as heterosexuality has.
As for Brick's comments about promoting my books, he knows only too well (or should know, if he's ever actually read anything I've said) that I have absolutely no interest in promoting any of my books. Once my books are published I don't get any additional royalties or other payments, so I have no motive for self-promotion, even if he'd like to think otherwise.
Military humour? Well yes, I understand it entirely. It's very easy to simply say "oh you just don't know how we think and how our sense of humour works" but I'm afraid that's not true. I've spent more than enough time with military personnel to know exactly how it works. Basically, it's schoolboy stuff, pure and simple. Nothing wrong with that of course, but my issue here was that it is, just possibly, a little inappropriate sometimes, as in the case of this thread's subject.
As for Brick's comments about promoting my books, he knows only too well (or should know, if he's ever actually read anything I've said) that I have absolutely no interest in promoting any of my books. Once my books are published I don't get any additional royalties or other payments, so I have no motive for self-promotion, even if he'd like to think otherwise.
Military humour? Well yes, I understand it entirely. It's very easy to simply say "oh you just don't know how we think and how our sense of humour works" but I'm afraid that's not true. I've spent more than enough time with military personnel to know exactly how it works. Basically, it's schoolboy stuff, pure and simple. Nothing wrong with that of course, but my issue here was that it is, just possibly, a little inappropriate sometimes, as in the case of this thread's subject.
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Purely on a point of order, I would imagine that heterosexuality has existed for at least 9 months longer than homosexuality has. Unless of course, any of you actually believe that Darwin rubbish.
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Tim, I thank Al R for his post and I don't quite get your point that because homosexuality has been around for as long as it has that makes it NORMAL. Murder has been around a long time but it is not acceptable and prostitution is known as the oldest profession, but I sure would not like my daughter to be involved in that activity. I guess you and I will just have to agree to disagree.
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Been following this with interest, purely from a professional view you understand.....Some v v old-fashioned, and thankfully rare, views on gays from some people who I suspect have not served for many a year. In my experience, there is absolutely no inference that being gay is 'abnormal' amongst serving personnel. What the f**k is 'normal' anyway?
Having gay guys, and girls, around merely adds to the banter that makes us what we are - as a Service.
Pink soap box put away now.....
Having gay guys, and girls, around merely adds to the banter that makes us what we are - as a Service.
Pink soap box put away now.....
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Absolutely correct in your assertion that there are some very old fashined views on homosexuality in this thread - however that's the right of those individuals to hold those views.
The reason this thread has lasted so long is because some people, gay or otherwise, are too sensitive and take
to heart. Bless
Absolutely correct in your assertion that there are some very old fashined views on homosexuality in this thread - however that's the right of those individuals to hold those views.
The reason this thread has lasted so long is because some people, gay or otherwise, are too sensitive and take
the banter
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Well as I think I mentioned earlier, I don't take such comments "to heart" but as I also said, I suspect some people might, for the reasons which I explained previously!
Touching of Old fellah to compare homosexuality with murder though...
Touching of Old fellah to compare homosexuality with murder though...
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Tim, like much of what you have to say, your assertion that I compared homosexuality with murder is absolute crap. In response to your assertion that because homosexuality had been around for as long as it has that made it normal I said that murder had been around a very long time too, but that fact did not make murder acceptable. To me, putting one's penis up another's waste dump chute, male or female, is a totally abnormal act. As for TonkaEngO believing that today's serving military personnel don't think being "gay" is abnormal, I would challenge that statement. Because it is now an offence to vilify homosexuals, and that they are accepted into the military, most non-gay military personnel would not be game to comment openly. TonkaEngO asks "What is normal"? If you don't know TonkaEngO I feel sorry for you. And YES, I wear my homophobic badge with honour.
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Er... well exactly Old Fellah, you're comparing homosexuality with muder, as you've just explained again! If you think buggery is abnormal or disgusting, then that's your view to which you're naturally entitled. But could you please stop automatically equating homosexuality with buggery maybe? Okay, I appreciate that it might be a pastime pursued by a lot of homos (but by no means all), but then it's also an activity that straight people indulge in too, in just the same way. Homosexuality is simply an attraction to a person of the same sex, no more and no less. Everything else is down to your own preconceptions which, you would find, are slightly out of touch with reality.
Naturally, the Armed Forces have adopted policies which try to eradicate homophobia and prejudice. They'd be completely out of step with society if they didn't. You really can't bang-on about gay people's sexual activities because they're patently none of your business and, more importantly, you haven't the faintest idea what goes on in people's bedrooms in any case, be they gay or straight. This point goes right back to the start of the thread, and the ridiculous schoolboy sniggering about somebody being jokingly "accused" of being gay... we may as well run the gags about keeping your back against the wall, not bending down to pick-up the soap or, as we've just seen, a reference to hairdressers!
Come on; there's nothing wrong with good-natured humour and banter but spare a thought for the people who have to consistently put-up with this kind of nonsense. Nobody asked us poofs if we wanted to be gay in just the same way that nobody asked you if you wanted to be straight. We are who we are, and to pin your dislike or hatred on the basis of perceived sexual acts is just plain silly when, in reality, your lurid images of what you perceive to be "gay sex" are just as applicable to straight sex too, even if such activities might not be the kind of thing that you, I or other forum users might indulge in. It's a completely separate issue. The basic point is that a person's sexuality is a simple fact of life and if you can't (or won't) accept that then it's a shame. Thankfully, the armed forces have started to make some effort to prevent this kind of judgemental attitude, and rightly so, and like I said before, it's all well and good to make friendly jibes against colleagues no matter how "un-PC" they may be, but to start a forum thread on the basis of one?
Naturally, the Armed Forces have adopted policies which try to eradicate homophobia and prejudice. They'd be completely out of step with society if they didn't. You really can't bang-on about gay people's sexual activities because they're patently none of your business and, more importantly, you haven't the faintest idea what goes on in people's bedrooms in any case, be they gay or straight. This point goes right back to the start of the thread, and the ridiculous schoolboy sniggering about somebody being jokingly "accused" of being gay... we may as well run the gags about keeping your back against the wall, not bending down to pick-up the soap or, as we've just seen, a reference to hairdressers!
Come on; there's nothing wrong with good-natured humour and banter but spare a thought for the people who have to consistently put-up with this kind of nonsense. Nobody asked us poofs if we wanted to be gay in just the same way that nobody asked you if you wanted to be straight. We are who we are, and to pin your dislike or hatred on the basis of perceived sexual acts is just plain silly when, in reality, your lurid images of what you perceive to be "gay sex" are just as applicable to straight sex too, even if such activities might not be the kind of thing that you, I or other forum users might indulge in. It's a completely separate issue. The basic point is that a person's sexuality is a simple fact of life and if you can't (or won't) accept that then it's a shame. Thankfully, the armed forces have started to make some effort to prevent this kind of judgemental attitude, and rightly so, and like I said before, it's all well and good to make friendly jibes against colleagues no matter how "un-PC" they may be, but to start a forum thread on the basis of one?
