Air Eng rumour control?
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back to an earlier post i put on here obvioulsy the air eng branch is so short on the herc that they can afford to post 4 to the tri motor!!!!!
where is the short fall
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where is the short fall
Eh! up Hoppy how ya doing mate?
PM me let me know how yr getting on, you still Zurich way?
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I can't imagine any one who is sane even remotely thinking of going back, but I suppose that not every one can re-adjust to the real world. I know many many Air Engs who have left but absolutely none who have re-enlisted. Of all those who left and went flying on civvy licences, non are flying now.
I do know of one who PMA got in touch with and asked him to reconsider his decision to leave and that was within the last six months. He had been out about 18 months or so.
I am sure the powers that be will find some way of sorting the problem out!
I do know of one who PMA got in touch with and asked him to reconsider his decision to leave and that was within the last six months. He had been out about 18 months or so.
I am sure the powers that be will find some way of sorting the problem out!
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Surely in this day and age, the Air Eng is simply there to ballast out the weight of the Air Loadmaster down the backend? 
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Sorry Gorilla -I think you are wrong.
There are people that left the RAF and came back in - and are still flying. There are also lots who left with civvy licenses and are still flying outside. Perhaps your point was that you don't know any personnaly.
We've had three pages of rumours and some serious slagging of at the way PMA are managing the situation but has anybody any proof that there is actually a crisis at the moment? I agree that the (premature) cessation of air eng trg and the inevitable delays to new a/c will cause problems in the future. This will require some radical initiatives. Searching out former FEs from distant corners of the RAF and re-training a WSOp(Any) who looks suitable would seem the way ahead. I can't think of any better way and re-opening the school in it's former guise is a non-starter.
I also know for a fact that there are air eng's in ground tours which the system is preventing from returning to flying or extending their service. Hope there's a change in policy before the individuals are gone for good.
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There are people that left the RAF and came back in - and are still flying. There are also lots who left with civvy licenses and are still flying outside. Perhaps your point was that you don't know any personnaly.
We've had three pages of rumours and some serious slagging of at the way PMA are managing the situation but has anybody any proof that there is actually a crisis at the moment? I agree that the (premature) cessation of air eng trg and the inevitable delays to new a/c will cause problems in the future. This will require some radical initiatives. Searching out former FEs from distant corners of the RAF and re-training a WSOp(Any) who looks suitable would seem the way ahead. I can't think of any better way and re-opening the school in it's former guise is a non-starter.
I also know for a fact that there are air eng's in ground tours which the system is preventing from returning to flying or extending their service. Hope there's a change in policy before the individuals are gone for good.
IF
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Quite right and actually I had one of those oh yes I do moments after I logged off last night! I do indeed know of one ex air eng who went out and then came back in again and AFAIK is still in.
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TG
Quite right and actually I had one of those oh yes I do moments after I logged off last night! I do indeed know of one ex air eng who went out and then came back in again and AFAIK is still in.
Cheers
TG
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Cheesy, the aforementioned bloke is going North-along with a few 12 hour orbiters from Lincs. I know of two guys at BZN who left and are back in, both on the TRi*. Another rumoured to be on the way back in to fly the 10 after being away for 3 yrs or so. 
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I know somebody in a ground tour who has approached the deskie regarding coming back flying and is having no joy whatsoever. Gotta question the logic there
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Wow sounds like the floodgates to back in are opening! Whatever floats your boat I suppose. I still cannot believe that any body who is sane would really volunteer to go back in and fly planes that are not fit for purpose.
But I do personally know one ex 12 hour Lincs orbiter eng who is never going to be coming back. He couldn't afford the pay cut!
Good luck everyone.
But I do personally know one ex 12 hour Lincs orbiter eng who is never going to be coming back. He couldn't afford the pay cut!
Good luck everyone.
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just does not surprise me at all. 2 and a bit years to go and thats me walking out of the door. There has been no attempt by the deskie to try and retain me at all (so much for their 3 1/2 yrs signing on plan)
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What gets me is the inconsistency of the policies, where two people of the same rank, both moved from up north to the same aircraft type at the same time in there careers, admittedly 9 months apart, both on similar assessment. Yet one is offered further service and one is kept dangling by PMA. Really makes you Cheesedoff. 
You think they would be doing everything they can to get the guys they have to stay, not keep in the dark not knowing if they will have a job next year.
P.S. StopStart he's actually one of the good guys
You think they would be doing everything they can to get the guys they have to stay, not keep in the dark not knowing if they will have a job next year.P.S. StopStart he's actually one of the good guys
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GE's in the Air Engineers seat?
The thread originator asked if GE's were being offered re-muster to Air Eng, and as far as I'm aware, his rumour source is wrong.
However, it does come around every so often. I still have a copy of the letter offering fast track Air Eng training to GE's from the late 90's. Straight to the OCU as I recall. Master Aircrew rank thrown in, but reverting to GE Chf Tech after 4 years.
A visiting AOC involved in the offer was puzzled by the lack of enthusiasm. 'But you would get to wear a flying suit, and travel the world'. Poor dear.
No takers! Hardly suprising really. GE's are at the top of their game, even the average ones are outstanding. And modest.
Why on earth would such a high calibre individual want to remuster to do a job that wouldn't tax a trained monkey?
As my chum and fellow Pruner used to say
'Its such a short step from flicking switches for the Queen, to flipping hamburgers for a clown'
However, it does come around every so often. I still have a copy of the letter offering fast track Air Eng training to GE's from the late 90's. Straight to the OCU as I recall. Master Aircrew rank thrown in, but reverting to GE Chf Tech after 4 years.
A visiting AOC involved in the offer was puzzled by the lack of enthusiasm. 'But you would get to wear a flying suit, and travel the world'. Poor dear.
No takers! Hardly suprising really. GE's are at the top of their game, even the average ones are outstanding. And modest.
Why on earth would such a high calibre individual want to remuster to do a job that wouldn't tax a trained monkey?
As my chum and fellow Pruner used to say
'Its such a short step from flicking switches for the Queen, to flipping hamburgers for a clown'
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Sorry mate got you mixed up with someone who said exactly the same to met as you put in both of your posts, earlier in the day. He did say today he's not you. Is the person in the ground post GR? If it is we may know each other. He was my next door neighbour before we both went aireng.
Sorry mate got you mixed up with someone who said exactly the same to met as you put in both of your posts, earlier in the day. He did say today he's not you. Is the person in the ground post GR? If it is we may know each other. He was my next door neighbour before we both went aireng.
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2 and a bit years to go and thats me walking out of the door. There has been no attempt by the deskie to try and retain me at all