Air Eng rumour control?
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So, any idea's as to when these supposed Ops Spt / Ex Air Eng geezers pick up their Aircrew manuals and their ODM's for the type of AC they have chosen to fly?
What you really mean Cheesy is that these bods that are coming back would probably never have made the better postings.....whch is why many left....and now will be taking all the cream postings from the guys that actually deserve the postings.....gonna do great things for retention and moral of those that have stayed the pace awaiting a decent posting. Its just does not ring quite right for me and if I were still in and looking after the guys on my squadron, I would be making noises at the highest level to see what mess they are going to get themselves into now.
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Absolutely. There is nothing like the feeling of being S**t on by the good old people at PMA, and I am not alone. Wouldn't mind finding out just what exactly their agenda is and how they can justify what is going on...
Cheesy get your leader to follow this up he should be able to sort things out as long as he is not a yes man, things need to be sorted for the likes of yourself who obviously feel hard done by. If that fails the Sqn exec should get something moving ......if they still do nothing.....with only 2.5 years to do move it up the chain as far as you feel comfortable someone will listen jsut depends on who. As soon as you start taking it higher watch the others move swiftly into place. Good luck with it all......been there so know how you feel.
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Air Engineers Whinging............. Again!!
Yes, maybe the RAF messed up by closing the Air Engineer school at Cranners, maybe there are a lot of Eng`s out there that are feeling under valued and upset by PMA and maybe there are some Eng`s that are in ground tours and should be back flying.
Just thank your lucky stars you are not a Rotary crewman spending half of his year getting shot at in somewhere hot and dusty. That would never do would it? And besides where would you heat up your beef curry? Thank god every future platform will be operated by 2 pilots and an ALM.
I think you should all dry your eyes and get on with it.............
Just thank your lucky stars you are not a Rotary crewman spending half of his year getting shot at in somewhere hot and dusty. That would never do would it? And besides where would you heat up your beef curry? Thank god every future platform will be operated by 2 pilots and an ALM.
I think you should all dry your eyes and get on with it.............
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Just thank your lucky stars you are not a Rotary crewman spending half of his year getting shot at in somewhere hot and dusty. That would never do would it? And besides where would you heat up your beef curry? Thank god every future platform will be operated by 2 pilots and an ALM.
I think you should all dry your eyes and get on with it.............
I think you should all dry your eyes and get on with it.............
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Rotary crewman vs Air Engineer
Why the hell are you guys having a go at each other ?
It is now time to vent your anger on a goverment that has under funded ALL the arrmed forces for years.
The civil serpents who are at the core of your problems must be most amused that the devide and rule policy is working so well.
Guys it is time to grow up, put aside your narrow unit interests (an RAF hobby) and try to use a bit of political power for the wider good.
It is now time to vent your anger on a goverment that has under funded ALL the arrmed forces for years.
The civil serpents who are at the core of your problems must be most amused that the devide and rule policy is working so well.
Guys it is time to grow up, put aside your narrow unit interests (an RAF hobby) and try to use a bit of political power for the wider good.
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A & C,
Nah, its far more fun winding up the Eng`s.
As for those Engineers that have seen the light and crossed over to a proper job (Rotary crewman) good on you. Its the fixed wing master race of Air Engineers that think they are so special that get on my tits.
Nah, its far more fun winding up the Eng`s.
As for those Engineers that have seen the light and crossed over to a proper job (Rotary crewman) good on you. Its the fixed wing master race of Air Engineers that think they are so special that get on my tits.
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As an Air Eng who has spent numerous weeks and months on Operational Dets in hot n sandy places, I take exception to Cannons naive little rant. Many many other Gingers' have and are doing plenty of time in the desert(s) and not only with their Sqn. I know of many (incl me) who have done a full OOA tour on the ground and in the thick of it, on top of thier normal Sqn Dets.
A and C is quite correct to point out that "the system" is not being challenged correctly wrt many manning issues.
As the Air Eng world draws down, there is going to be an exponential outflow of guys who will walk before they end up where no-one else wants to be. I was offered a nice flying job outside just this week so, there are plenty of other things to be doing out there. I sometimes wonder if we're just waiting for the final push factor to make our minds up?
For me, it's all about quality of life with my family. When quality of life is going to be better out than in, over the timescale of say - one tour, I'm off.
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A and C is quite correct to point out that "the system" is not being challenged correctly wrt many manning issues.
As the Air Eng world draws down, there is going to be an exponential outflow of guys who will walk before they end up where no-one else wants to be. I was offered a nice flying job outside just this week so, there are plenty of other things to be doing out there. I sometimes wonder if we're just waiting for the final push factor to make our minds up?
For me, it's all about quality of life with my family. When quality of life is going to be better out than in, over the timescale of say - one tour, I'm off.
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Cannonfodder,
Grow up sonny, and pray you get signed on by a grateful airforce when the time comes, and your previous service and loyalty are taken into account by PMA. Or perhaps you are of the ilk of that ex-rotary f-wit who knackered the Eng trade in the first place? Because in my line of work, people like fergie, cheesdoff etc are welcomed with open arms and good wages, while your trade? ten a penny mate.
Grow up sonny, and pray you get signed on by a grateful airforce when the time comes, and your previous service and loyalty are taken into account by PMA. Or perhaps you are of the ilk of that ex-rotary f-wit who knackered the Eng trade in the first place? Because in my line of work, people like fergie, cheesdoff etc are welcomed with open arms and good wages, while your trade? ten a penny mate.
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I think cannonfodder got a few big bites, there.
You see, I believe that cannonfodder knows that we all respect him and his colleagues for the arduous and dangerous work that they all doing at the moment. I'm sure he also knows that, despite our admiration for the rotary guys, we do find some time when not blowing smoke up their a$$es to discuss other issues, and so he is being a little mischevious in taking advantage of a rare opportunity to do some fishing.
Right, eh, Cannonfodder?
You see, I believe that cannonfodder knows that we all respect him and his colleagues for the arduous and dangerous work that they all doing at the moment. I'm sure he also knows that, despite our admiration for the rotary guys, we do find some time when not blowing smoke up their a$$es to discuss other issues, and so he is being a little mischevious in taking advantage of a rare opportunity to do some fishing.
Right, eh, Cannonfodder?
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I hope you are right. I too have the upmost respect for what our rotary mates do. I, like Ginge, have spent a little time in the sand and was tempted to chomp on CF's hook. I now take him and his cabs to and from the sand as an ALM and always go out of my way to do as much as I can for them. Even if it's just a hot meal to make the long journey pass a little easier. It's a shame he uses the same to run down Engineers. Maybe he'd like to PM me his name and I'll take special care his meal is moist next time he's looking peckish.
I hope you are right. I too have the upmost respect for what our rotary mates do. I, like Ginge, have spent a little time in the sand and was tempted to chomp on CF's hook. I now take him and his cabs to and from the sand as an ALM and always go out of my way to do as much as I can for them. Even if it's just a hot meal to make the long journey pass a little easier. It's a shame he uses the same to run down Engineers. Maybe he'd like to PM me his name and I'll take special care his meal is moist next time he's looking peckish.
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To all you guys who took the bait, finish this sentence "Hook, line and ....."
Excellent fun Eng baiting. Sorry couldn`t help myself.
The real problem with our cadre at the moment is the appalling way that a certain Flt Lt at Innsworth/High Wycombe has been treating us. It is not only you guys that have been promised the world only to find that the carrot is never actually there. That guy is a total throbber who has made so many enemies that it will be interesting to see how life for him on his next sqn will be. Hopefully not mine!!
Excellent fun Eng baiting. Sorry couldn`t help myself.
The real problem with our cadre at the moment is the appalling way that a certain Flt Lt at Innsworth/High Wycombe has been treating us. It is not only you guys that have been promised the world only to find that the carrot is never actually there. That guy is a total throbber who has made so many enemies that it will be interesting to see how life for him on his next sqn will be. Hopefully not mine!!
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I heard that the MRA 4 was looking at having a third crew member on the flt deck) possibly an AEO (or WSO in new money). Anyone else heard same rumours? No need to train new FEs then...
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Gents,
If you know of anybody who has either left the service or was commissioned into another branch and has been offered a chance to get his / her arse back in the seat to resume his / her flying career could you please let me know. Needs to be concrete rather than hearsay....
Dates, places and types along with names is what i need and there is a genuine reason asking.
Cheers
If you know of anybody who has either left the service or was commissioned into another branch and has been offered a chance to get his / her arse back in the seat to resume his / her flying career could you please let me know. Needs to be concrete rather than hearsay....
Dates, places and types along with names is what i need and there is a genuine reason asking.
Cheers
Go for it Cheesy and good luck to you. Someone somewhere has the answers that you requireand if it stirs up the ants nest then so be it. Keep to your guns you will have the support of many that are still serving I am sure.
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There was an FE at ISK quite a few years back who left then rejoined. Name escapes me but he was well known for his accordion playing. Sombody up there must remember him.... Can't remember if he was a master or FS but could find more if it helps.