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Intercepting Wandering Bears & Blackjacks Again (Merged)

Old 11th May 2007, 17:13
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Jack, thank you. And to everyone else, that just goes to prove that the (ex-) Services can agree on something after all.
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Old 12th May 2007, 01:12
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*Pedantic mode ON*
Actually the serial number is still there, albeit in the sooty crap that gets thrown up by the buckets. And it didn't have any Sqn markings when I took it to Malaysia last year - I remember the jet quite well as it dumped me in Sri Lanka twice with DECU problems
*Pedantic mode OFF*

Edit - and the jet/weapons I was referring to is the 43 Sqn liveried jet just down the page on the Mails site - carrying 'Flash and 'Winders
And discussing this on another site I had a Septic try and tell me said aircraft had Sparrows and was a German F2!!! How I would've ridiculed if I hadn't suspected him of Walt-baiting me!
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Old 13th May 2007, 03:58
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I'm glad the Bear was seen off because when a jorno states

"The RAF would not disclose exactly when the brief incident to the north of the Outer Hebrides had happened but said no contact was made between the Russian and British aircraft.

It would worry some of the chavs and chavess's, if they could think.
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Old 27th May 2007, 13:49
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Radar Coverage Clarification

The reference to the lack of radar coverage this far north is a well known problem all in the public domain, not classified as some PMs have suggested after my earlier post. Below are the open sources I am talking about.
From Hansard:
The cold war radar station of RAF Saxa Vord on the Shetland island of Unst will be put on care and maintenance from April 2006, subject to consultation with the trade unions. This will mean that the station is effectively closed, but that the main operational part of the estate will continue to be maintained should it be required for future use. Radar cover at the level required can be provided by other RAF radars augmented by those of the National Air Traffic Services. Placing the station on care and maintenance means that we would be able to re-instate a radar capability should the threat assessment change.
From the CIA Factbook:
Under a 1951 bilateral agreement, Iceland's defense was provided by a US-manned Icelandic Defense Force (IDF) headquartered in Keflavik; in October 2006, all US military forces in Iceland were withdrawn; nonetheless, the US and Iceland signed a Joint Understanding to strengthen their bilateral defense relationship.
RAF Website:
Full listings of RAF sites and locations.
ICAO Website:
The combined Reykjavik and Søndrestrøm FIR’s is one of the larger Oceanic Control Areas in the world. The surface area is approximately 5,4 millj km2 extending from the 61° N parallel up to the North pole. In the vast majority of the FIR no ground based surveillance, such as radar, is supported. However in the most dense traffic areas of the Reykjavik FIR radar surveillance is supported. This has been accomplished by retrieving radar data from six military radars located in Iceland and in the Faeroe Islands. The radar
located in the Faeroe Islands is of critical importance as it covers the south east section of the East Sector where air traffic from the adjacent FIR’s in Scotland and Norway is handed over to the Reykjavik Area Control Center and vice versa. Therefore crossing of traffic patterns is quite frequent in this sector. The operation of the Faeroese radar was terminated in the beginning of 2007 and ISAVIA is now forced to take appropriate actions to restore surveillance in the area.
http://www.icao.int/icdb/HTML/French...94.APPB.FR.PDF
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 08:07
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QRA busy again

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2093759.ece
Seems the Ruskies are up to their old tricks...
RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept two Russian strategic bombers heading for British airspace yesterday, as the spirit of the Cold War returned to the North Atlantic once again.
The incident, described as rare by the RAF, served as a telling metaphor for the stand-off between London and Moscow over the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.
While the Kremlin hesitated before responding to Britain’s expulsion of four diplomats, the Russian military engaged in some old-fashioned sabre-rattling.
Two Tu95 “Bear” bombers were dispatched from their base on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle and headed towards British airspace.
Russian military aircraft based near the northern port city of Murmansk fly patrols off the Norwegian coast regularly, but the RAF said that it was highly unusual for them to stray as far south as Scotland.
Two Tornado fighters, part of the RAF’s Quick Reaction Alert, took off from RAF Leeming, in Yorkshire, to confront the Russian aircraft, after they were shadowed by two F16s from the Royal Norwegian Air Force, The Times has learnt.
“The Russians turned back before they reached British airspace,” an RAF spokesman said.
There was no evidence to suggest that the incident was connected with the diplomatic row over the extradition of Andrei Lugovoy, the main suspect in the murder of Litvinenko. Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences, criticised the British reaction but urged the Kremlin not to escalate the conflict. “Why does one former KGB officer killing another deserve this attention?” he asked.
In London, Yuri Fedotov, the Russian Ambassador to London, said that Russia would soon respond against Britain and admitted that relations were strained.
“The response will follow. It takes time. We are serious people,” he said. “It is really hard to be optimistic today. I hope in the long run our relations will be restarted – reloaded, so to say – but that is not the best moment of the history of our bilateral relations.”
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 10:58
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RAF scrambles as Tu95s head for British airspace

From Times Online July 18, 2007

RAF scrambles to intercept Russian bombers
Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor

RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept two Russian strategic bombers heading for British airspace yesterday, as the spirit of the Cold War returned to the North Atlantic once again.

The incident, described as rare by the RAF, served as a telling metaphor for the stand-off between London and Moscow over the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.

While the Kremlin hesitated before responding to Britain’s expulsion of four diplomats, the Russian military engaged in some old-fashioned sabre-rattling.

Two Tu95 “Bear” bombers were dispatched from their base on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle and headed towards British airspace.

Russian military aircraft based near the northern port city of Murmansk fly patrols off the Norwegian coast regularly, but the RAF said that it was highly unusual for them to stray as far south as Scotland.

Two Tornado fighters, part of the RAF’s Quick Reaction Alert, took off from RAF Leeming, in Yorkshire, to confront the Russian aircraft, after they were shadowed by two F16s from the Royal Norwegian Air Force, The Times has learnt.

“The Russians turned back before they reached British airspace,” an RAF spokesman said.

There was no evidence to suggest that the incident was connected with the diplomatic row over the extradition of Andrei Lugovoy, the main suspect in the murder of Litvinenko. Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences, criticised the British reaction but urged the Kremlin not to escalate the conflict. “Why does one former KGB officer killing another deserve this attention?” he asked.

In London, Yuri Fedotov, the Russian Ambassador to London, said that Russia would soon respond against Britain and admitted that relations were strained.

“The response will follow. It takes time. We are serious people,” he said. “It is really hard to be optimistic today. I hope in the long run our relations will be restarted – reloaded, so to say – but that is not the best moment of the history of our bilateral relations.”
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 11:11
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Did they turn back when they had sussed that it was Tornados coming to intercept them and not the Typhoons that they were fishing for????
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 11:16
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Surprised we had any aircraft left to scramble as they all seem to be occupied with other tasks - not to mention any "terrorist" alerts!
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 11:27
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 12:17
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BRITISH BOYS REPEL RUSSIAN TERROR!!

The savage Mongoloid hordes of the Sovietski Soyuz were safely repelled yesterday by plucky Brit fliers in their secret new wonderjet, the Vickers Flunderbuss:


An RAF spokesman commented "Yes please, make it a large one. And not too much bloody tonic. Now, what was the query? Oh yes, the Vickers Flunderbuss. That sent bloody Ivan packing, I can tell you! Buggers were probably sh*t scared that some of the speed tape would peel off and a bit of the old crate might fall off and hit them!"

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Old 18th Jul 2007, 12:24
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Buggers were probably sh*t scared that some of the speed tape would peel off and a bit of the old crate might fall off and hit them!"
As I recall the diplomatic protest back in the 80s, they said they were more sh*t scared that the T-tail was going to hit them when the intrepid Funderbuss flew underneath them to try get the door number.......
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 13:10
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Oh yes, the Vickers Funderbluss. That sent bloody Ivan packing
... and I guess the Funbus would have better performance at height than a tooled-up F3!
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 16:24
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Will they have to re-establish TANSOR?

Happy days!
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Old 18th Jul 2007, 18:43
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Here we go again!

From the Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2093759.ece
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 08:04
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Will they have to re-establish TANSOR?

no, but if this continues we could seriously do with a few shackle bombers up north.
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 08:35
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Thankyou to the Times for a complete load of boll*cks. Would love to see their 'evidence' that this was connected to the latest Noo Labour bitch fight.

Amazing that we follow the Americans around the world telling other countries to exercise soveriegnty over their land, waters and airspace and yet we strip our own country of the means to do just that.

Personally, I have always found the VC10 a great 'Interceptor' on long range, high level QRA.
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 08:44
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ZA141 in hot pursuit..........they were the days.
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 12:51
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They would not have got past this:


Soon to be replaced by this:
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 12:54
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That's assuming PAAMS doesn't blow a hole in the bottom of the ship the first time they fire it...
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Old 19th Jul 2007, 13:41
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That'll be Aster then. Just have to hope they don't have a decent ASM with a stand-off range of more than 120km. Ohh, wait... I hope they'll carry enough to ripple fire them. APA NOTAM:

Have a look at the big piece of metal between the engine pods in the Su-33 picture above. This is a Raduga Kh-41 Moskit [Ed: SS-N-22 Sunburn] which is a 4,500 kilogram mass supersonic rocket-ramjet missile, which skims the waves at 2.2 Mach supersonic velocity. Imagine a missile seven times the size of the French Exocet, which destroyed so many British ships in the Falklands/Malvinas war, travelling at three times the speed of the French missile. In front of the Su-33 in this picture is an NPO Mashinostroyenia Kh-61 Yakhont [Ed: SS-N-26], which is a 2,500 kg mass supersonic missile which achieved Mach 2-2.5.

Kh-41: Range 250Km.

Kh-61: Range 300Km.
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