Intercepting Wandering Bears & Blackjacks Again (Merged)
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To bit a spotterish, I'd doubt they were tracked much of the way at all, what with the decidedly patchy radar coverage that far north.
Remember Faeros, Saxa and Iceland? All widely reported as closing recently, its a long way from Norway to Benbecula!
Perhaps a bit of a haisty decision to close them all to save money?
To bit a spotterish, I'd doubt they were tracked much of the way at all, what with the decidedly patchy radar coverage that far north.
Remember Faeros, Saxa and Iceland? All widely reported as closing recently, its a long way from Norway to Benbecula!
Perhaps a bit of a haisty decision to close them all to save money?
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Zoom calm down mate.
Out of interest, why didn't the infinitely more superior Navy or Army do this task? Oh, I remember now - THEY CAN'T##
No the Army and Navy are not in the game of Bear chasing that is YOUR game. Also YOUR game is CAS and Airlift and SH. If the cracks are in your system and the customers (scuse me being PC) ie the Army and the Navy are saying sorry things are wrong here don't start slagging them. If everything was hunky dorri they would not complain. That said not everything is Ok with the Army or Navy either but if you have any complaints about feeling unsafe if Afgan or Iraq or where ever feel free to state them. We can get a few lads to take you on patrol or something ( O no of course that is OUR game) get the point.
Out of interest, why didn't the infinitely more superior Navy or Army do this task? Oh, I remember now - THEY CAN'T##
No the Army and Navy are not in the game of Bear chasing that is YOUR game. Also YOUR game is CAS and Airlift and SH. If the cracks are in your system and the customers (scuse me being PC) ie the Army and the Navy are saying sorry things are wrong here don't start slagging them. If everything was hunky dorri they would not complain. That said not everything is Ok with the Army or Navy either but if you have any complaints about feeling unsafe if Afgan or Iraq or where ever feel free to state them. We can get a few lads to take you on patrol or something ( O no of course that is OUR game) get the point.
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Maxburner, I think you missed something
By the time you got there they had changed the pics.
When I first looked the pics were not available at all.
the Mail's defence correspondent - who can tell an F3 from a GR4 and takes some professional pride in getting these things right - wasn't consulted before this story (which he didn't write) was stuck on the website with the wrong pic.
When I first looked the pics were not available at all.
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Mike, the Shack would have picked them up though, but only the following day 
Wonder where the magic mushroom was?
Wonder where the magic mushroom was?
The Magic Mushroom was seen chasing the Waddington circuit, in a very close formation of ISTAR assets - E-3D, Nimrod R1 and Sentinel R1.
Noisy, impressive and most unusual, a 3 aircraft launch out of Waddington.
Noisy, impressive and most unusual, a 3 aircraft launch out of Waddington.
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A bit spotterish but why is the F3 in the Bear/F3 pic in the Daily Mail sporting dark roundels rather than the usual 'washed out' ones? Is this in-line with the RAF's policy of turning its aircraft into highly visible adverts? Are they soon to sport the corporate logo too?
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its aircraft into highly visible adverts
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Like unwashed and dirty? Well used and operational?
Pontious Navigator,
I didn't see the early editions of the Daily Mail - I read a quality paper - so my apologies. The picture in an earlier post was an F3 and that's what I was looking at.
Now, it's time for coffee and back to my Sun...........
I didn't see the early editions of the Daily Mail - I read a quality paper - so my apologies. The picture in an earlier post was an F3 and that's what I was looking at.
Now, it's time for coffee and back to my Sun...........
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Max, I was refering to the online version where I understand the original pic was not an F3.
I see the Torygraph has the same article from 'our correspondent' or some such euphomism for plagarism.
I see the Torygraph has the same article from 'our correspondent' or some such euphomism for plagarism.
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I wasn't referring to any cracks in any particular system, but merely to the arguments often spouted by the Navy and Army that they should subsume the RAF because they could do all its tasks so much better. You rightly point out that CAS, airlift and SH is RAF work. But everyone seems to forget that perhaps the RAF's most important task, even now, is the air defence of the homeland, which is an activity that the Army could never do and the Navy could only ever do on a tiny scale (ie fleet defence) however many carriers they had.
I wasn't referring to any cracks in any particular system, but merely to the arguments often spouted by the Navy and Army that they should subsume the RAF because they could do all its tasks so much better. You rightly point out that CAS, airlift and SH is RAF work. But everyone seems to forget that perhaps the RAF's most important task, even now, is the air defence of the homeland, which is an activity that the Army could never do and the Navy could only ever do on a tiny scale (ie fleet defence) however many carriers they had.
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I see the BBC are keeping up their excellent track record for journalistic accuracy. Website story has a picture of a GR variant instead of the F3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...ds/6641999.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...ds/6641999.stm
Interestingly, when I went up a level from that BBC page (to see if there was any coverage of the Orkney 7s), I noticed this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6596565.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6596565.stm
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A bit spotterish but why is the F3 in the Bear/F3 pic in the Daily Mail sporting dark roundels rather than the usual 'washed out' ones? Is this in-line with the RAF's policy of turning its aircraft into highly visible adverts? Are they soon to sport the corporate logo too?
Why grey, you may well ask....
It's an example of 'jointery' making optimal use of the UK's defence resources.
When John Major was PM, his office decided that rationalisation was needed and turned to him for leadership...
"Grey. I like grey. Grey is good. Pass me the peas please, Norma. Grey. Oh yes, absolutely. Have we got any grey?"
Now many year ago, long before WEBF was making noises about Sea Harriers (or even any noises at all as he hadn't been conceived then - in fact, neither had his father), it was RN tradition to paint everything and anything a fetching tone of battleship grey. So the Great Lord Pusser ordered lots of paint. Millions and millions of tins of the stuff. But then along came defence cuts and there was soon more paint than ships.
But Pusser was a wily cove. "Mr Major - I have a solution. You can paint the RAF's aeroplanes with some of my nice grey paint. I've got plenty to spare. You won't need to paint them in two-shades-of-sh*t, shiny white, hemp, brown or anything else. Just grey, lovely grey!"
"Thank you - I shall see that it is done"
And lo, it was.
Except for the trainers. They used the black paint which Pusser had left over from the bit below the waterline of his old battleships. But there wasn't quite enough left in Pusser's paint locker, so the Dominie was painted to look like a skunk, with some of Pusser's finest white flagpole-paint on the top of the fuselage.
But Pusser's paint was too heavy for the wretched little plastic planes which the RAF turned to for elementary flying training when they could no longer afford to buy their own, so they are au naturel in Bundesweiss fibreglass...
Even the Army Air Corps were given the wretched grey, some years after their original supply of green and black became unavailable...
One fine day when Woopert and Wodney of the Umpty-Umpth Queen's Own Chinless Pwancers were discussing horses' fetlocks, the price of bwown bwogues and pink corduroys over afternoon tea, they were alarmed to receive a call from their Corporal-of-Horse.
"Sirs - there's something very strange just arrived at the Q-stores"
W&W decided to investigate. Asking a passing competent NCO to show them the way, they discovered a puzzled quartermaster looking at a large metal object..
"Eh seh, wot is that, Quartermaster?" asked Woopert.
"Errm, it says 'tank' on the label, sir"
"Good gwief! It's not for us, is it? Does it eat hay?" squeaked Wodney.
"Err, it is sir. It seems that we're to be a mechanised cavalry regiment - and this will replace our chargers"
"Menc..Mechan....Mechanised cavalwy? Surely not - it's just isn't done" shrilled Woopert.
But it was true. So some weeks later, vast quantities cans arrived at the Q-stores, marked 'Paint, green, little tanks for the painting of'. Much to the horrified astonishment of the Comptroller General of the Queens Paint. "How simply fwightful. It's sooo not us. I have all these tins of black enamel for making Dobbin's hooves look all spiffing on pawade - I don't want all this wuddy gween!"
But the Corporal-of-Horse, being an NCO with a sound eye for a quick bob or two had an idea. "Errm, excuse me, Sirs, but I fink I can shift a few of them cans. I know a mate in the Army Air Corps...."
"Army Air Corps - wot's that?" enquired Wodney.
"Errm, well, Sir -you know, the chaps who fly around Salisbury Plain in helicopters"
"Oh those fwightful bounders? Rotters who scared m'pony during m'last chukka at Tidders last week. Righty-ho, Corporal-of-Horse, they can have as much as they wuddy well want" said Wodney.
"Errm, my mate'll need a bung to take 'em of me hands, Sir. Perhaps the regimental fund...."
"Certainly, Corporal-of-Horse. The wedgiment's officers will sort that out for you. A couple of thousand or so to help with your efforts?"
"Thank you very much, Sirs, I shall get on to it immediately"
"Well see you do. Now cut along like a good chap. Spot of tiffin, Woopert?"
And not long afterwards, the Army Air Corps' helicopters started to receive nice new green and black paintwork.....until the good Corporal of Horse was nicked by the Redcaps - and Pusser found himself with a new customer.
It's an example of 'jointery' making optimal use of the UK's defence resources.
When John Major was PM, his office decided that rationalisation was needed and turned to him for leadership...
"Grey. I like grey. Grey is good. Pass me the peas please, Norma. Grey. Oh yes, absolutely. Have we got any grey?"
Now many year ago, long before WEBF was making noises about Sea Harriers (or even any noises at all as he hadn't been conceived then - in fact, neither had his father), it was RN tradition to paint everything and anything a fetching tone of battleship grey. So the Great Lord Pusser ordered lots of paint. Millions and millions of tins of the stuff. But then along came defence cuts and there was soon more paint than ships.
But Pusser was a wily cove. "Mr Major - I have a solution. You can paint the RAF's aeroplanes with some of my nice grey paint. I've got plenty to spare. You won't need to paint them in two-shades-of-sh*t, shiny white, hemp, brown or anything else. Just grey, lovely grey!"
"Thank you - I shall see that it is done"
And lo, it was.
Except for the trainers. They used the black paint which Pusser had left over from the bit below the waterline of his old battleships. But there wasn't quite enough left in Pusser's paint locker, so the Dominie was painted to look like a skunk, with some of Pusser's finest white flagpole-paint on the top of the fuselage.
But Pusser's paint was too heavy for the wretched little plastic planes which the RAF turned to for elementary flying training when they could no longer afford to buy their own, so they are au naturel in Bundesweiss fibreglass...
Even the Army Air Corps were given the wretched grey, some years after their original supply of green and black became unavailable...
One fine day when Woopert and Wodney of the Umpty-Umpth Queen's Own Chinless Pwancers were discussing horses' fetlocks, the price of bwown bwogues and pink corduroys over afternoon tea, they were alarmed to receive a call from their Corporal-of-Horse.
"Sirs - there's something very strange just arrived at the Q-stores"
W&W decided to investigate. Asking a passing competent NCO to show them the way, they discovered a puzzled quartermaster looking at a large metal object..
"Eh seh, wot is that, Quartermaster?" asked Woopert.
"Errm, it says 'tank' on the label, sir"
"Good gwief! It's not for us, is it? Does it eat hay?" squeaked Wodney.
"Err, it is sir. It seems that we're to be a mechanised cavalry regiment - and this will replace our chargers"
"Menc..Mechan....Mechanised cavalwy? Surely not - it's just isn't done" shrilled Woopert.
But it was true. So some weeks later, vast quantities cans arrived at the Q-stores, marked 'Paint, green, little tanks for the painting of'. Much to the horrified astonishment of the Comptroller General of the Queens Paint. "How simply fwightful. It's sooo not us. I have all these tins of black enamel for making Dobbin's hooves look all spiffing on pawade - I don't want all this wuddy gween!"
But the Corporal-of-Horse, being an NCO with a sound eye for a quick bob or two had an idea. "Errm, excuse me, Sirs, but I fink I can shift a few of them cans. I know a mate in the Army Air Corps...."
"Army Air Corps - wot's that?" enquired Wodney.
"Errm, well, Sir -you know, the chaps who fly around Salisbury Plain in helicopters"
"Oh those fwightful bounders? Rotters who scared m'pony during m'last chukka at Tidders last week. Righty-ho, Corporal-of-Horse, they can have as much as they wuddy well want" said Wodney.
"Errm, my mate'll need a bung to take 'em of me hands, Sir. Perhaps the regimental fund...."
"Certainly, Corporal-of-Horse. The wedgiment's officers will sort that out for you. A couple of thousand or so to help with your efforts?"
"Thank you very much, Sirs, I shall get on to it immediately"
"Well see you do. Now cut along like a good chap. Spot of tiffin, Woopert?"
And not long afterwards, the Army Air Corps' helicopters started to receive nice new green and black paintwork.....until the good Corporal of Horse was nicked by the Redcaps - and Pusser found himself with a new customer.
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'Who had more sex, mother or daughter?'
Now what's all this talk about Bears and F-3s??
Out of interest, why didn't the infinitely more superior Navy or Army do this task? Oh, I remember now - THEY CAN'T!!
Probably because the Army was taking care of the mother and the Navy was taking care of the daughter?
On a more serious note, "more superior" is an interesting example of tautology and, whilst you're looking up "tautology", look up "subsume" as well before you use it again .....
Jack
Now what's all this talk about Bears and F-3s??
Out of interest, why didn't the infinitely more superior Navy or Army do this task? Oh, I remember now - THEY CAN'T!!
Probably because the Army was taking care of the mother and the Navy was taking care of the daughter?
On a more serious note, "more superior" is an interesting example of tautology and, whilst you're looking up "tautology", look up "subsume" as well before you use it again .....
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I thought someone might comment on 'more superior' but not on 'subsume'. My use of subsume is correct, as you will know if you have trodden or do tread the hallowed halls of Main Building - or even read a dictionary. And 'more superior' is not tautology where all of the Armed Forces are superior (which they are) but some are more superior (or think they are) than others. Your staff studies will have shown you that certain rules can be broken for emphasis. 
Phew, that was close.
Phew, that was close.