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How many working days are lost due to fatties on the biff?
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So you crabs are saying you can't spare 30 mins a week on a bit of basic phys?
So you crabs are saying you can't spare 30 mins a week on a bit of basic phys?
Better yet, wrapping it up in the blanket of 'operational necessity' to stifel any cries of 'foul' when it comes to the gender gap - surley (and I notice its advocates ignore this point) if the FT is all about ops it should be same standard for all regardless of age and sex?
Call me Mr Picky but I thought it was all about Airpower rather than tight vests and hanging around with other sweaty blokes - an Airforce rather than an audition for 'YMCA the musical' if you will.
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they can't pass some mythical fitness level that has no impact on their operational employment.
Aircrew. Due to the nature of the job, a basic level of fitness may mean the difference between found dead not far from your wreckage because you've jacked it in or being able to E&E and recover out of harms way. I'm not on about Bravo 20 stuff, just a bit of physical robustness.
Groundcrew. Because our Armed Forces are tiny, over stretched etc, anyone could be called upon to carry out other duties away from their own comfort zone. Basic fitness may not only save your own skin but more importantly, someone elses. Do I need to spell it out?
The CoC need to know that the blokes and birds below them are at least at a basic level of fitness to be able to deploy. The new buzz word being 'duty of care'. Old school being able to carry out your job without having a seizure.
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Biff as in 'on the biff', as in 'biff chit - sick chit, on the sick'.
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It's interesting to compare this thread with the Joining the Mil as a Pilot thread. Time after time wannabees who are hoping for a free ATPL are shot down by the old and bold who rightly tell them they are military occifers first, and aircrew second.
Read this thread and it's clear that that some in the RAF see themselves as the uniformed wing of EasyVirgin and not much more. I love the threat "what do you want working aircraft or fit blokes, because we can't do both"...tell that to the Marines
Read this thread and it's clear that that some in the RAF see themselves as the uniformed wing of EasyVirgin and not much more. I love the threat "what do you want working aircraft or fit blokes, because we can't do both"...tell that to the Marines
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Seems to me that the biggest problem is the lack of quality, modern facilities at RAF stations. You have to make it accessible. The majority of people take the easy option. Take the Lincolnshire clutch for example: if you don't live at Cranwell, you need to drive up to an hour (from larger frontline stations, to use a 1980 vintage pool). If you want a fitter, more physical Air Force then invest the money in encouraging them to get fit. Yes, it costs money to run a pool, a gym, tennis courts, running track, pitches etc, and yes (beancounters may struggle here) it does not generate measurable financial benefit but it generates fitter, better motivated, healthier airpeople (yuk). And don't throw it open to Joe public to try and make/save money. Keep it for the Air Force and dependents. You have a captive audience of about 5000 people right there. It's not like the rural locations of which the RAF is so fond have the support facilities for the extra people. (And don't forget the Med centre and dentist while we're here)
Compare and contrast the facilities available to US Air Force personnel and their families with what we have (next time you're on det and you can spare some time from the JPA actuals paperwork at the end of your day.)
Bobbins
Compare and contrast the facilities available to US Air Force personnel and their families with what we have (next time you're on det and you can spare some time from the JPA actuals paperwork at the end of your day.)
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You can't find time to do any phys, but you can find the time to sit at your computer and write 758 entries on PPRune. Talk about fitting a stereotype!
It's a beep test, believe it or not, some of us might have done that too. 
Remind me, do you have to actually have to run to make level 8 point whatever? 
You can't find time to do any phys, but you can find the time to sit at your computer and write 758 entries on PPRune. Talk about fitting a stereotype!
as its a RAF test they are about as well quallified to talk on the subject as I am about the correct procedures for storming field defences
Remind me, do you have to actually have to run to make level 8 point whatever?
Southbound.
....and I knew a top bloke, fit as billy-o, ran every day, got knocked down by a truck!
It's never totally black and white.
There are very few people in this thread arguing about being fit, the issue is how is our employer going to help us achieve the goals it has set?
....and I knew a top bloke, fit as billy-o, ran every day, got knocked down by a truck!
It's never totally black and white.
There are very few people in this thread arguing about being fit, the issue is how is our employer going to help us achieve the goals it has set?
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It should start from day one. I have just visited a training estblishment in the UK and could not believe the number of fat knackers who have just, allegedly, come out of IOT. WTF is going on? Some of them look like they have done 2 tours at Brize Norton already.
Watched the Royal Marines on ITN last night demonstrating courage and fitness. Hats off lads. No sound of a single aircraft overhead.....Still, god help the Taliban if they ever venture into OTA E.
Watched the Royal Marines on ITN last night demonstrating courage and fitness. Hats off lads. No sound of a single aircraft overhead.....Still, god help the Taliban if they ever venture into OTA E.
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the issue is how is our employer going to help us achieve the goals it has set?
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the issue is how is our employer going to help us achieve the goals it has set?
Surely thats why you have Officers in the RAF isn't it?
*-heres the problem, you find the solution-*
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You see CL, this is the funny thing about 'tinernet you make asumptions about people you don't know. assuming you're making a general point rather than trying for a cheap shot against an individual, what do ypu know about the RAF that gives you the vision to write about an organisation you haven't served in (I'm assuming there too) with more authority than us old blokes who have done a few years?
so we're not the Army/Marines - big deal
so we're not the Army/Marines - big deal
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OCCWMF - I'm old enough to remember (and have a copy in the loft) of the RCAF 5BX publication:
"The diversity of work assignments, combined with lack of adequate gymnasium facilities at many of our stations makes it difficult to schedule formal physical training periods for all our personnel. The 5BX Plan puts physical fitness within reach of every member of the RCAF."
You can down load the first edition (1960) here and the 3rd (1975) here.
"The diversity of work assignments, combined with lack of adequate gymnasium facilities at many of our stations makes it difficult to schedule formal physical training periods for all our personnel. The 5BX Plan puts physical fitness within reach of every member of the RCAF."
You can down load the first edition (1960) here and the 3rd (1975) here.
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Whilst us light blue types may have issues sorting out our fitness when it comes to proper remuneration it would seem we have no equals 
Suggest you filthy brown jobs have a look at
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267172
as it proves the point nicely I feel
Suggest you filthy brown jobs have a look at
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267172
as it proves the point nicely I feel
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I do recall one of my branch in GW1 times arriving in Saudi -electing to go for a run round the airfield and never returning. Death by dehydration.
A lesson there somewhere.
N.B. the term Crab comes from the Navy who originally , because of our uniform colour termed us CrabFATS.
Wear your name with pride!
A lesson there somewhere.
N.B. the term Crab comes from the Navy who originally , because of our uniform colour termed us CrabFATS.
Wear your name with pride!
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Difference is, Seldom, the issue with flying pay is down to MoD and a lack of forcefulness on the part of the higher echelons of the Army not a bunch of salad dodgers whining that they have to at least pretend they are a part of a military force.
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Squaddies....
Jointery is all about the RAF doing your job for you. FACT
I have never seen a dumb-F**K Squaddie let loose fixing multi-million pound aircraft so where is the JOINTERY pay back?
I have an idea. We can all bring something to this forum, why don't you clowns go dig a hole and add SILENCE.
You do the BASIC neanderthol fighting stuff (for which you may have to run around a little), we'll maintain Technologically advanced machines (for which we don't have to run much, but use our core skill:- BRAINS).
FTP
I have never seen a dumb-F**K Squaddie let loose fixing multi-million pound aircraft so where is the JOINTERY pay back?
I have an idea. We can all bring something to this forum, why don't you clowns go dig a hole and add SILENCE.
You do the BASIC neanderthol fighting stuff (for which you may have to run around a little), we'll maintain Technologically advanced machines (for which we don't have to run much, but use our core skill:- BRAINS).
FTP
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No Wg,
Seems to me we are all being asked to lose a few pounds, us light blue types can manage that quite easily with a few shuttle runs where as you guys are facing a major lifestyle change.................
Now just run it by me who's got it right and who's got it wrong
Seems to me we are all being asked to lose a few pounds, us light blue types can manage that quite easily with a few shuttle runs where as you guys are facing a major lifestyle change.................
Now just run it by me who's got it right and who's got it wrong