Tristar Trouble....Again...
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Tristar Trouble....Again...
Whilst crewing in for RF on Friday, I noticed that one of the RAF's premier AT assets, of which we all have come to loath is still on the pan at Nellis.
After some digging about it seems that it is still the same one that went U/S on Wednesday with a small fuel indication problem. I then found out that this problem was cured but suddenly they had a fuel leak and have been here ever since........surprise surprise. Whilst this is all very inconvenient for the crew who I am sure are finding it tough sitting watching sports down the strip, they seem to have abandoned their passengers (Yet again) who are trying to get home after week here.
I hear now their ALM....Arrgh NCA again.........has gone sick with ear problems. (allegedly)
It never ceases to amaze me that these problems always seem to occur when Flag is on, or the "Global" or whatever you guys call those trips you are always on. Am I just being cynical, but come on guys do us a favour and just do your job on time and with no "minor unservicabilities" that you seem to carry from base ok then suddenly can't carry on arrival.
OK OK, I know these jets are old but come on......seriously
BTFF
Since when was a fuel leak a minor unserviceability?
And I bet you've never had a cold?
Maybe these things always happen when 'flag' is on because they go there more often during the exercises. (just a guess as I'm not an AT man). Are you trying to tell me they don't go U/S anywhere else?
Do you honestly think they are pulling a fast one to get a jolly? I don't think so.
Why don't you keep your ill informed thoughts to yourself rather than slagging off professionals trying to do their job in a public forum.
T***er
And I bet you've never had a cold?
Maybe these things always happen when 'flag' is on because they go there more often during the exercises. (just a guess as I'm not an AT man). Are you trying to tell me they don't go U/S anywhere else?
Do you honestly think they are pulling a fast one to get a jolly? I don't think so.
Why don't you keep your ill informed thoughts to yourself rather than slagging off professionals trying to do their job in a public forum.
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Hey, Just a moment
I was not slagging anyone off, I was merely making an observation to the situation.
I am not an AT man either, and whilst I agree a fuel leak is almost always serious, I was only pointing out the fact that It seems to be that sometimes the service we as a whole provide falls short of whats required.
I am only New to this forum, and perhaps I posted incorrectly, I do not intend to offend anyone, maybe you can add to this link too in a mature way, but there is no need for personal attacks like the "T****r in you thread.
Doh...
I Shouldn't of bothered.
BTFF
I am not an AT man either, and whilst I agree a fuel leak is almost always serious, I was only pointing out the fact that It seems to be that sometimes the service we as a whole provide falls short of whats required.
I am only New to this forum, and perhaps I posted incorrectly, I do not intend to offend anyone, maybe you can add to this link too in a mature way, but there is no need for personal attacks like the "T****r in you thread.
Doh...
I Shouldn't of bothered.
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Born,
"surprise surprise. Whilst this is all very inconvenient for the crew who I am sure are finding it tough sitting watching sports down the strip, they seem to have abandoned their passengers (Yet again) who are trying to get home after week here."
and
"It never ceases to amaze me that these problems always seem to occur when Flag is on, or the "Global" or whatever you guys call those trips you are always on"
along with
"but come on guys do us a favour and just do your job on time and with no "minor unservicabilities"
Sounds very much like your slagging the crew off.
Your information and source is wrong, on both the severity of the fuel issue and sickness of the crew member. Suggest you confirm your facts before you make an ar$e of yourself.
"surprise surprise. Whilst this is all very inconvenient for the crew who I am sure are finding it tough sitting watching sports down the strip, they seem to have abandoned their passengers (Yet again) who are trying to get home after week here."
and
"It never ceases to amaze me that these problems always seem to occur when Flag is on, or the "Global" or whatever you guys call those trips you are always on"
along with
"but come on guys do us a favour and just do your job on time and with no "minor unservicabilities"
Sounds very much like your slagging the crew off.
Your information and source is wrong, on both the severity of the fuel issue and sickness of the crew member. Suggest you confirm your facts before you make an ar$e of yourself.
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I have never heard of a Tri * going u/s whilst recovering troops from Ops. However, that may be because the DAS circuit breaker has been pulled so a charter crew have to take their Ops routes instead, leaving 216 to remain a peace loving Sqn
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BornToFlyFaster,
When you can't see the horizon no more - stop diggin mate!
t;was a pretty crass 2nd post sport
People will think you were beaten up by a Tri# copilot when you was a baby, and that would be too much to live wiv
"incommmming"
When you can't see the horizon no more - stop diggin mate!
t;was a pretty crass 2nd post sport
People will think you were beaten up by a Tri# copilot when you was a baby, and that would be too much to live wiv "incommmming"
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BornToBeArrogant.
Please post your name, rank, number and address and I'll have OC 216 answer your questions and comments personally for you.
If you don't really want a comprehensive reply to your posts then we'll all have to assume that you are just being cynical and you are slagging off the crew.
Up to you mate...
Please post your name, rank, number and address and I'll have OC 216 answer your questions and comments personally for you.
If you don't really want a comprehensive reply to your posts then we'll all have to assume that you are just being cynical and you are slagging off the crew.
Up to you mate...
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BTFF, you posting this thread is the biggest mistake since Gary Glitter dropped his computer off at PC World!
How about when you crew in tomorrow, you find out the facts, and post back agreeing that you've made an enormous t!t of yourself.
How about when you crew in tomorrow, you find out the facts, and post back agreeing that you've made an enormous t!t of yourself.
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I am the 216 Sqn Duty Exec.
For those of you that are interested in the facts, the aircraft did dispatch with a very minor fuel gauge problem.
HOWEVER, once at Nellis, a pipe in the transfer gallery ruptured whilst the aircraft was being refuelled. Approx 100 US gallons of fuel leaked into the hydraulic service centre. The leak onto the pan was severe enough that the US fire service quarantined the aircraft for 48hrs, leaving the ground engineers to clear the fuel within the aircraft whilst wearing breathing apparatus and IPE.
No TriStar crew member has reported sick.
Continuing with the fault was obviously a non-starter (Leak cannot be effectively isolated. The hydraulic service centre contains many sources of ignition - not a good place to have fuel sloshing about). Spares have been sourced and sent.
Born to Fly Faster. - I repeat D-IFF's offer of a written explanation from myself or from OC 216 Sqn. But after a monstrously ill informed and cynical post, I doubt that you will have the balls to step out from the anonimity that this forum affords you. If you are willing to back up your initial post, then please PM me. It saddens me to see comments such as yours from a colleague within the Service.
For those of you that are interested in the facts, the aircraft did dispatch with a very minor fuel gauge problem.
HOWEVER, once at Nellis, a pipe in the transfer gallery ruptured whilst the aircraft was being refuelled. Approx 100 US gallons of fuel leaked into the hydraulic service centre. The leak onto the pan was severe enough that the US fire service quarantined the aircraft for 48hrs, leaving the ground engineers to clear the fuel within the aircraft whilst wearing breathing apparatus and IPE.
No TriStar crew member has reported sick.
Continuing with the fault was obviously a non-starter (Leak cannot be effectively isolated. The hydraulic service centre contains many sources of ignition - not a good place to have fuel sloshing about). Spares have been sourced and sent.
Born to Fly Faster. - I repeat D-IFF's offer of a written explanation from myself or from OC 216 Sqn. But after a monstrously ill informed and cynical post, I doubt that you will have the balls to step out from the anonimity that this forum affords you. If you are willing to back up your initial post, then please PM me. It saddens me to see comments such as yours from a colleague within the Service.
Xavier
Nicely put!
Can't remember for the life of me the name of the IT system from which any Sqn Ops Clerk can access the flying programme for any sqn at any unit on any given day .... I'm sure they don't fly that many sorties on a Flag day! If nothing else you could narrow down the sqn (assuming they've deployed as part of a wing)...
Nicely put!
Can't remember for the life of me the name of the IT system from which any Sqn Ops Clerk can access the flying programme for any sqn at any unit on any given day .... I'm sure they don't fly that many sorties on a Flag day! If nothing else you could narrow down the sqn (assuming they've deployed as part of a wing)...
XO...
here here, good to see someone in the know nipping this kind of crap in the bud for once. Well done!
Having done my time with the funbus fellows I know that all sorts of snags can leave you stranded down-route, and the reason it "always seems to happen" downroute as opposed back at home is the obvious lack of spares (parts/ac) in random places. (Admittedly it is sometimes due to hilarity.... a week spent in canada due to having a lovely empty nosecone packing crate sent to us... really useful!)
Wish people would stop digging at the multis chaps and realise that their kit is even more antiquated than that which the rest of the aging air force has to cope with!
here here, good to see someone in the know nipping this kind of crap in the bud for once. Well done!
Having done my time with the funbus fellows I know that all sorts of snags can leave you stranded down-route, and the reason it "always seems to happen" downroute as opposed back at home is the obvious lack of spares (parts/ac) in random places. (Admittedly it is sometimes due to hilarity.... a week spent in canada due to having a lovely empty nosecone packing crate sent to us... really useful!)
Wish people would stop digging at the multis chaps and realise that their kit is even more antiquated than that which the rest of the aging air force has to cope with!
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Feel free to come to Odiham and have a go at all the NCA with sick chits. I think you'll find most of them still flying through their ailments and only the severely disfigured! on the ground.
Hope your next poo is a hedgehog
Feel free to come to Odiham and have a go at all the NCA with sick chits. I think you'll find most of them still flying through their ailments and only the severely disfigured! on the ground.
Hope your next poo is a hedgehog
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Pity my first post is to 'bubble' someone, but I believe the glorious ' bumdusters' are the only FJs at RF.
I have had more than my fair share of AT nightmares thanks to '2 (days late!) Group, but BTFF, u r way outta line.
I have had more than my fair share of AT nightmares thanks to '2 (days late!) Group, but BTFF, u r way outta line.
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According to local rag 'tremblers' are also out there
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Gents,
Last year I was lucky enough to act as the Det Exec at RF06, and was hugely impressed by the sheer hard work that the FJ crews put in, working very long hours under incredible pressure. I think a witch-hunt to identify either a sqn or individual helps no-one.
I have sat and waited for the AT home many times in my previous life as a rotorhead (there goes the last vestige of my anonimity!). And, as a member of 216 Sqn, how many times do you think that I have been delayed whilst down route! I would not be so crass as to compare my frustration to that of a marine counting down his precious days of R&R from Helmand, and I would suggest that those currently in harms way might have difficulty summoning up too much sympathy for those extended for an extra few days in Vegas.
Please let's put this thread to bed, as another ill informed Pprune storm in a tea-cup, and get back to the traditional pursuits of arguing that "the branch of the armed forces I serve in is better than the branch of the armed forces that you serve in!"
BornToFlyFaster - I look forward to hearing from you.
Last year I was lucky enough to act as the Det Exec at RF06, and was hugely impressed by the sheer hard work that the FJ crews put in, working very long hours under incredible pressure. I think a witch-hunt to identify either a sqn or individual helps no-one.
I have sat and waited for the AT home many times in my previous life as a rotorhead (there goes the last vestige of my anonimity!). And, as a member of 216 Sqn, how many times do you think that I have been delayed whilst down route! I would not be so crass as to compare my frustration to that of a marine counting down his precious days of R&R from Helmand, and I would suggest that those currently in harms way might have difficulty summoning up too much sympathy for those extended for an extra few days in Vegas.
Please let's put this thread to bed, as another ill informed Pprune storm in a tea-cup, and get back to the traditional pursuits of arguing that "the branch of the armed forces I serve in is better than the branch of the armed forces that you serve in!"
BornToFlyFaster - I look forward to hearing from you.