Question on PVR

[toysforboys]

I am looking to PVR from the RAF, having problems at home and am looking to get out as soon as possible.

I have been told by insworth that 16 months is min time. I am in the process of appealing at the moment.

Does anyone have any hints or tips or ways i can get out quicker.

I know i signed a contract, but need to move back home.

Any help would be good

Thanks

Car

[R 21]

You could get a solicitor involved. There is stories of an aircrewm mate who took a months leave and when his boss checked his in tray found his PVR with a letter from his solicitor. Letter stated that his client the aircrew chum got paid monthly therefore can leave after a months notice. All other contact was to be through the solicitor.

How true I dont know but if it was, it couldnt have been cheap.

Good luck

[c130jage]

I left the mob in Febuary by PVR. I gained a letter of employment fron a civvie employer, which I displayed to the Chief Clerk and was informed that I had to wait 18 months for my PVR. I then spoke to a certain well known soliciters by the initials GB and was told that I could push for redress on the grounds that the RAF forcing myself to do the 18 months was a personal issue against myself, as the RAF had just made so may of my trade redundant. I was out 28 days later and I have not looked back since. Good luck with your pursuit.

[toysforboys]

Looked into alsorts

spoke to gilbert bloke and he said that i should look at welfare issues, i put my PVR app IN OCTOBER, got my date back in november and put appeal in 2 weeks ago. Still heard nothing back, not sure if it slows down around xmas.

Problem is, that 3 months has already passed. If my appeal is rejected i dont know where to go from that point.

Put a letter into chf clk with appeal, got safa to put one in 2!! Boss keeps saying that he cant afford to let me go due to manning issues though



if anyone knows any tips that might help, give me a shout

[AdanaKebab]

Heard a story about a naval chap who resigned his commission directly to HM Queen. He went to one of her engagements and stood in the crowd with his commissioning scroll and when she was shaking hands with the the crowd he handed it to her saying he would like to resign his commission. She took it. Job done!

[charliegolf]

If true, what a complete arse. To do such a selfish thing to any hostess is crass, but to the Queen.........

Lucky break for RN though.

CG

[threepointonefour]

You could always try asking Mrs PM to help you out with your human rights case. Problem is, I guess you're not an asylum seeking, multi-ethnic, differently-abled, gay, single parent midget with learning difficulties on a low income.

Incidentally, I thought that Euro employment law dictated that the forces' PVR nonsense was now a max of 6 mths?

[Climebear]

Originally Posted by threepointonefour

Incidentally, I thought that Euro employment law dictated that the forces' PVR nonsense was now a max of 6 mths?

Not so. The Armed Forces have a specific exemption from such legislation (unlike the imagined exemption from the sex discimination legislation that resulted in the numerous compensation payouts). Indeed, the PVR policy has been tested in the courts. The claimants lost which is why Mr Blades has advised toysforboys to try the compassionate angle rather than challenge through legal channels.

[Melchett01]

I'm certainly no leagle eagle ... leagle beagle maybe, but one thing crossed my mind about this one.
We have terms of service rather than an official contract and are subject to Aunty Liz's requirement. However, given all the various human rights & employment laws out there, I'm sure a half decent employment lawyer would be able to argue that our terms of service and the day to day characteristics of our employbear all the hallmarks in all but name of a contract. And as such, you should be able to serve notice in a similar manner to anybody else under contract.
Just a thought, possibly already been tried before, probably wouldn't work, but worth a shot if you really are that desperate to get out.

[toysforboys]

thanks

thanks all so far, got to see chf clk on tuesday!! so im hoping he can help a little, have set may as my target!! hoping i get that.

just seem to be going into a brick wall at the moment. everything is so slow.

see what happens, if anyone else thinks of anything give me a shout

thanks

[timex]

If as you say, you are having probs at home then it's time to get the Padre involved and Welfare. You may not get out much earlier but you could get an extended leave....

[N Joe]

Another Escapee

Did a Cranwell MSc a few years ago with a guy who didn't get picked up so PVR'd and was told he had to do 3 years amortization. His wife worked in HR and mentioned the one month thing; however, her firm's lawyers said the RAF could expect 1 for 1 return on the MSc so he told the RAF he would stay for a year. They objected but caved when he mentioned legal action and let him go.

[toysforboys]

legal action

i looked at legal action, but the costs would start to mount then. Was thinking about putting a letter in about lawyers and stuff, but thought it might go against me.

Just dont see the point into forcing someone to go to work for that long a period. At the moment i am working hard still, but the more bits that wind me up, the harder i am finding going to work.

Anyone know how the appeals work?? do they look at trade information or just luck of the draw??

[Faithless]

Think the laws have just changed but as always some units are the last to know. One lad was under the impression that he had 12 months notice but if he had a job to get out to and a letter to prove he had been offered a place he would be out sooner.....He presto he is out in Jan 07...with only four months notice.

[toysforboys]

tried, didnt work

Originally Posted by Faithless

Think the laws have just changed but as always some units are the last to know. One lad was under the impression that he had 12 months notice but if he had a job to get out to and a letter to prove he had been offered a place he would be out sooner.....He presto he is out in Jan 07...with only four months notice.

yeah, tried that!! Didnt even get a mention in the end. Boss will not have post gapped letter goes away with everything i send. That brick wall that i keep hitting, just hoping this tuesday when i see chf clk that i get a better reply than sorry you are here till then, deal with it!!

[The Gorilla]

Ideally you want to keep it amicable, try to get everyone on side, not easy I know. But as a last resort get a solicitor who specialises in employment law, that isn't GB by the way! Have them write directly to PMA or whatever it is called these days requesting you be released outlining the details why and the consequences should you be denied early release. Cost about £200 to £250 but it will grab someones attention.

I got out in under five months but as I have said so many times on here, you are not dealing with a level playing field when the MOD are involved. More importantly my Sqn was prepared to gap my post, not that I would have ever flown again if they didn't!

Good luck.

[threepointonefour]

Originally Posted by toysforboys

Boss will not have post gapped letter goes away with everything i send. That brick wall that i keep hitting ...

So, just to publicly pick up on this, the problems you are having at home are so bad that you feel you have to PVR, and your boss isn't willing to help.

It's a shame you can't name and shame the unit in question.

No further comment.

[Bladdered]

What trade/branch are you and how long have you been in since completing training? 16 months seems a strange number. Critical trades were 12 months minimum waiting time until recently, less critical trades were 6 months? Have you spoken to the trade desk, they are normally very helpful when not battling redundancy and downsizing themeselves? Chief Clerk may speak to them for you. If you can find yourself a job and your boss is prepared to gap your post, some sympathetic treatment is normally considered.

[Spanish Waltzer]

As posted by bladdered, 16 months seems an odd time unless you are tied by a return of service or something similar for training received.

Does anyone know if there is a maximum time (RoS excepted) that the mil can keep you once PVR is submitted? I always thought it was 12 months????

[toysforboys]

Return of service

My return of service requires me to stay in till feb 08. Only 14 months now, but was longer when i first got my date. I finished my training 2 years ago, but am required to be in trade 3 1/2 years before i can leave.

The Gorilla, think i will look into solicitor today. Will also ring PMA for an update.

Bladdered, i am going to ring CHF clk and trade desk as well. See if i can get any help.