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I too, would be surprised if the DG was complicit in the planning. If true, it sounds more like a spur-of-the-moment burst of insanity.
Perhaps the intervening years of 'peace' have lowered the perception of the crews towards the very real hazards in theatre.
But then we get back into the realms of 'it wouldn't have happened in my day', don't we.
BTW, not certain about crew composition these days, but there is the remote possibility that it wasn't a SNCO in the left hand seat. Some Rodneys had the physical stature to be employable in the beast.
Perhaps the intervening years of 'peace' have lowered the perception of the crews towards the very real hazards in theatre.
But then we get back into the realms of 'it wouldn't have happened in my day', don't we.
BTW, not certain about crew composition these days, but there is the remote possibility that it wasn't a SNCO in the left hand seat. Some Rodneys had the physical stature to be employable in the beast.
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"BTW, not certain about crew composition these days, but there is the remote possibility that it wasn't a SNCO in the left hand seat. Some Rodney's had the physical stature to be employable in the beast."
I hear what you are saying but do you honestly believe any of those chinless wonders could have perpetrated this
...............although the subsequent mis handling sounds your like typical "Royal Hands"
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I hear what you are saying but do you honestly believe any of those chinless wonders could have perpetrated this
...............although the subsequent mis handling sounds your like typical "Royal Hands" all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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There you go again, inserting the assumption of 'planning'. 
But in answer to the question, it's been many years since I crewed with officer, but it is still possible one could have seen it as a jolly jape.
Without exception (and if I'm wrong about the rank of the culprit I'll have to eat my old beret), a SNCO with some knowledge of the history of such emblems would have steered well clear of the flag.
But in answer to the question, it's been many years since I crewed with officer, but it is still possible one could have seen it as a jolly jape.
Without exception (and if I'm wrong about the rank of the culprit I'll have to eat my old beret), a SNCO with some knowledge of the history of such emblems would have steered well clear of the flag.
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"I did not say there actions were acceptable!!!!!"
Really, so what were you trying to say
A drink on a friday lunchtime................and how exactly is that a crime
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Really, so what were you trying to say
A drink on a friday lunchtime................and how exactly is that a crime
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It seems like this error of judgement, if proved as such, just might not be as bad as manslaughter of a bystander with a C130 ramp during a low pass at a certain DZ a few years ago, let those from fleets that have had no issues be casting the stones!!!
I shall await the formal outcome with interest,
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It never fails to amaze me how these forums degenerate into a slanging match (some might call it banter) between the Army and the Airforce. The Lynx crew have really stuffed their careers up the swanny for the sake of a piece of cloth.......go figure ! !
"So 2 members of a five man Herc crew from 47 SF, yes we all know who they were, go parachuting with each stick until they have all jumped, but that wasn't premeditated, they just drew and fitted their parachutes in flight.
Me thinks not!!!"
But whatever they did, at least they were skilled enough to carry it out successfully and they didn't damage the aircraft...... a bad "counter argument" example to choose, I would suggest.
p.s. BTW, I thought the army usually complained that RAF crews didn't join in?
Me thinks not!!!"
But whatever they did, at least they were skilled enough to carry it out successfully and they didn't damage the aircraft...... a bad "counter argument" example to choose, I would suggest.
p.s. BTW, I thought the army usually complained that RAF crews didn't join in?
ABIW - I can see that from your resorting to plain insults that I have hit a raw nerve - and Seafury's comments that rounds have never been vacuum packed are simply wrong. Yes they have, in order to keep the poor loadie from breaking a fingernail I suppose, and anyone who served in SAMA would agree with that.
But back to ABIW - how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that this is a professional pilot's rumour network and, my dear chap, the fact that you exhibit all the jealousy symptoms of one who has been rejected for pilot and, by the sounds of it, the Army, you cannot be considered here to be any more than a wannabe. Perhaps even a walt. Now I know that most people view you with a sympathetic eye, in the same way that one views a rambling drunk in the street, and I just know that you're the sort of person that will refute what I say no doubt claiming to "have always wanted to be a loadie - never gave pilot any thought", but we both secretly know, ABIW, that you'd give your left testicle to be me. Assuming you have any of course.
Now be a good chap and go back and read my original post. Use your finger under the words this time if it helps. And you will see that the thrust of my words was that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
If you can't be civil then sit there and shut up - in the back where you belong.
But back to ABIW - how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that this is a professional pilot's rumour network and, my dear chap, the fact that you exhibit all the jealousy symptoms of one who has been rejected for pilot and, by the sounds of it, the Army, you cannot be considered here to be any more than a wannabe. Perhaps even a walt. Now I know that most people view you with a sympathetic eye, in the same way that one views a rambling drunk in the street, and I just know that you're the sort of person that will refute what I say no doubt claiming to "have always wanted to be a loadie - never gave pilot any thought", but we both secretly know, ABIW, that you'd give your left testicle to be me. Assuming you have any of course.
Now be a good chap and go back and read my original post. Use your finger under the words this time if it helps. And you will see that the thrust of my words was that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
If you can't be civil then sit there and shut up - in the back where you belong.
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C@ck old fella,
Posting your usual inaccuracies again I see
"and Seafury's comments that rounds have never been vacuum packed are simply wrong. Yes they have, in order to keep the poor loadie from breaking a fingernail"
During the period 90 to 94 after lots of suggestions to the Armoury at Aldergrove "magged" up 9mm and SA80 rounds which were issued in heat sealed plastic bags for Pilots and ALM's for a whole host of reasons however the box of 200 7.62 rounds for the GPMG, which needed to be loaded for every flight was never shrink wrapped, so perhaps you would like to re think your last post
"But back to ABIW - how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that this is a professional pilot's rumour network"...........now c@ck I am sure at the top of this page it says...........
"Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."....................or have I mis read it
"the fact that you exhibit all the jealousy symptoms of one who has been rejected for pilot and, by the sounds of it, the Army, you cannot be considered here to be any more than a wannabe."
I have posted on here on numerous occasions over the last 3 years or so that I left school at 16 without even a single CSE and joined the RAF in 1974 as an avionics mechanic, and as I still have not a single educational qualification cos I'm dull as dishwater how the **** could I have even applied for pilot let alone been rejected, and lets be honest if the army who will accept anyone had kissed me off off what would be the chances of the RAF taking me
So C@ck me old china from my time in NI I remember a huge Lynx 5 Cdr by the name of Chas who would never have let a Crab pilot let alone a Loadie get under his skin in this way...........so perhaps you aught to take a leaf out of his book and make it a bit more of a challenge
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Posting your usual inaccuracies again I see
"and Seafury's comments that rounds have never been vacuum packed are simply wrong. Yes they have, in order to keep the poor loadie from breaking a fingernail"
During the period 90 to 94 after lots of suggestions to the Armoury at Aldergrove "magged" up 9mm and SA80 rounds which were issued in heat sealed plastic bags for Pilots and ALM's for a whole host of reasons however the box of 200 7.62 rounds for the GPMG, which needed to be loaded for every flight was never shrink wrapped, so perhaps you would like to re think your last post
"But back to ABIW - how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that this is a professional pilot's rumour network"...........now c@ck I am sure at the top of this page it says...........
"Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."....................or have I mis read it
"the fact that you exhibit all the jealousy symptoms of one who has been rejected for pilot and, by the sounds of it, the Army, you cannot be considered here to be any more than a wannabe."
I have posted on here on numerous occasions over the last 3 years or so that I left school at 16 without even a single CSE and joined the RAF in 1974 as an avionics mechanic, and as I still have not a single educational qualification cos I'm dull as dishwater how the **** could I have even applied for pilot let alone been rejected, and lets be honest if the army who will accept anyone had kissed me off off what would be the chances of the RAF taking me
So C@ck me old china from my time in NI I remember a huge Lynx 5 Cdr by the name of Chas who would never have let a Crab pilot let alone a Loadie get under his skin in this way...........so perhaps you aught to take a leaf out of his book and make it a bit more of a challenge
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mind you he was keen - for a crab - in actually trying to load the weapon at all instead of keeping the rounds nicely vacuum packed.
Let he who is without sin cock the first weapon. (on the other hand - just stick to telling people to strap in and leave the sharp end to those of us who know how.)
Let he who is without sin cock the first weapon. (on the other hand - just stick to telling people to strap in and leave the sharp end to those of us who know how.)
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brandnew,
I have virtually no issues with anyone on this planet let alone the AAC.....well apart from movers obviously but that goes without saying. I am just a happy go lucky fella who loves throwing out the odd hook to see if anyone's nibbling or throwing down some occasional "counter banter" fire
I challenge you to go back through any of my posts on here and find anything malicious in any of them, it's all just tongue in cheek stuff, I mean on quiet days I only have to mention my salary to get a certain ex mover/failed loadie to swallow the hook line sinker rod and the boat and a bit of good natured cross service/trade banter hurts nobody
Your not the first and won't be the last, but at least you didn't pm me and demand my location so you could come round and punch my lights out as one of your colleagues did a couple of years back
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I have virtually no issues with anyone on this planet let alone the AAC.....well apart from movers obviously but that goes without saying. I am just a happy go lucky fella who loves throwing out the odd hook to see if anyone's nibbling or throwing down some occasional "counter banter" fire
I challenge you to go back through any of my posts on here and find anything malicious in any of them, it's all just tongue in cheek stuff, I mean on quiet days I only have to mention my salary to get a certain ex mover/failed loadie to swallow the hook line sinker rod and the boat and a bit of good natured cross service/trade banter hurts nobody
Your not the first and won't be the last, but at least you didn't pm me and demand my location so you could come round and punch my lights out as one of your colleagues did a couple of years back
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This thread is fantastic!! What I find funny, is that ABIW was actually popular with the army crews at Aldergrove. I will bet that some of you actually know and like him in real life. I didn't realise he had no qualifications though....... Now it all makes sense!!
Now it has been a few years and the memory is fading, but just when did they shrink wrap the GPMG rounds?? The other mags were a master stroke of sensibility, through the armoury in seconds without spending 10 minutes getting drenched, putting rounds into little holes, hoping there was 40.
CR, I clashed with you a long time back about some trivia or other. You still have a massive chip on your shoulder and you really are a stroker.
Is that enough of of a personal insult?
Now it has been a few years and the memory is fading, but just when did they shrink wrap the GPMG rounds?? The other mags were a master stroke of sensibility, through the armoury in seconds without spending 10 minutes getting drenched, putting rounds into little holes, hoping there was 40.
CR, I clashed with you a long time back about some trivia or other. You still have a massive chip on your shoulder and you really are a stroker.
Is that enough of of a personal insult?
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Yoiks - Good job I failed!!
Carve,
Hello me old. Have read this thread with interest. A jolly good wheeze. Don't rise to ABIW, he a... well, musn't be rude! Draw your own conclusions.
Hope you are well, mucker and looking forward to your new post - should be a hoot!
Take care, Barlow.
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One that failed before you!!
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Hello me old. Have read this thread with interest. A jolly good wheeze. Don't rise to ABIW, he a... well, musn't be rude! Draw your own conclusions.
Hope you are well, mucker and looking forward to your new post - should be a hoot!
Take care, Barlow.
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Not really Jayteeto. At least when I have a go at someone I give a thought to making it amusing for everyone else who isn't ABIW.
I am puzzled why you think I have a chip on my shoulder when you appear to be the one with a sense of humour failure. But then, languishing in liverpool chasing ASBOs all day long would make anyone feel like a grumpy middle aged civvy loser, so I suppose I might let you off.
I am puzzled why you think I have a chip on my shoulder when you appear to be the one with a sense of humour failure. But then, languishing in liverpool chasing ASBOs all day long would make anyone feel like a grumpy middle aged civvy loser, so I suppose I might let you off.
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Dear oh dear Chris,
You really ought to ponder before you post You have absolutely no idea of JT's credentials and if you did your next post would be to publically apologise
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Grumpy, middle aged civvie loser, on the button old chap, I am a little bit like that thesedays. I fancy an ASBO myself as a bit of a status symbol. Banter is banter and being abusive is just that. Its a fine line, mylast post was to show what offensive is, I don't think you have quite sussed this out yet.
I have worked with good army, bad army, good RAF, bad RAF. If someone screws up then they screw up, whatever the service. Bringing up past incidents and talking about those who are without sin etc etc does not cut the mustard. Blindly protecting people just because they are army doesn't work either. They were idiots, just admit it, you will feel better....
I have worked with good army, bad army, good RAF, bad RAF. If someone screws up then they screw up, whatever the service. Bringing up past incidents and talking about those who are without sin etc etc does not cut the mustard. Blindly protecting people just because they are army doesn't work either. They were idiots, just admit it, you will feel better....