Muslim accosts injured Para in hospital
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I am becoming angrier and angrier at this inept governments ability to handle any situation that they allow our brave military to fall into.
Be it
- lack of men for any task.
- lack of support.
- lack of equipment.
- lack of money.
- lack of respect!
- and now, when trying to recover from wounds received whilst fighting for us, they have to put up with any Tom, Dick or Mad mullah or terrorist! freedom to enter their Hospital ward and berate them for fighting their so-called brothers.
Enough is enough! Where is the security to prevent this?
Damn, I'm mad now!
I award the government ministers involved one of these:-
For their lack of courage and moral fortitude and their damn lack of respect.
Perhaps we should E-mail them with white feathers to show our true feelings about this. I really am glad to be out now!
Be it
- lack of men for any task.
- lack of support.
- lack of equipment.
- lack of money.
- lack of respect!
- and now, when trying to recover from wounds received whilst fighting for us, they have to put up with any Tom, Dick or Mad mullah or terrorist! freedom to enter their Hospital ward and berate them for fighting their so-called brothers.
Enough is enough! Where is the security to prevent this?
Damn, I'm mad now!
I award the government ministers involved one of these:-
For their lack of courage and moral fortitude and their damn lack of respect.
Perhaps we should E-mail them with white feathers to show our true feelings about this. I really am glad to be out now!
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Back on page 1 BellEbdBob said:
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I think there would be many here who would agree in the strongest possible terms with those seniments, Bob.
Look on the bright side - at least the guy accused the Para of killing his Muslim brothers. When I wore the not so light blue while another unpopular war was taking place some 30+ years ago, we were frequently called baby killers whenever we appeared in public at home (in Australia). And you didn't need to be in uniform - in those days, a short back and sides haircut was as good as announcing yourself to be a serviceman.
I have to agree with another poster's comment. If the fellow hurling the abuse has been white Anglo Saxon Protestant directing his comments at a fellow Briton who happened to be Muslim, I can't help but feel that handcuff weilding plods would have paid him a visit poste haste and he'd almost certainly be now enjoying free accomodation in one of Her Majesty's less salubrious hostels.
My point is that if you have to protect our servicemen from the society they are supposed to be fighting for, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
I think there would be many here who would agree in the strongest possible terms with those seniments, Bob.
Look on the bright side - at least the guy accused the Para of killing his Muslim brothers. When I wore the not so light blue while another unpopular war was taking place some 30+ years ago, we were frequently called baby killers whenever we appeared in public at home (in Australia). And you didn't need to be in uniform - in those days, a short back and sides haircut was as good as announcing yourself to be a serviceman.
I have to agree with another poster's comment. If the fellow hurling the abuse has been white Anglo Saxon Protestant directing his comments at a fellow Briton who happened to be Muslim, I can't help but feel that handcuff weilding plods would have paid him a visit poste haste and he'd almost certainly be now enjoying free accomodation in one of Her Majesty's less salubrious hostels.
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Out of trim,
I am so much with you on this point, I'm thoroughly disgusted and ashamed to be British these days.
If anyone has the address of this Para, please pm me because I'de like to send the guy a get well card, and show him that the good amongst us are grateful and proud of him.
As for the civil servant on wods of ££££ - yeh, I can believe that, pretty much sums up what the government think of the military when compared to the pen-pushing blunties of the civil service - bastards!
I need a stiff drink
Thanks to the paras and every other British servicemen out there. I'm pleased I'm not with you all anymore, but I sure do feel for you all, every day!
TSM
I am so much with you on this point, I'm thoroughly disgusted and ashamed to be British these days.
If anyone has the address of this Para, please pm me because I'de like to send the guy a get well card, and show him that the good amongst us are grateful and proud of him.
As for the civil servant on wods of ££££ - yeh, I can believe that, pretty much sums up what the government think of the military when compared to the pen-pushing blunties of the civil service - bastards!
I need a stiff drink
Thanks to the paras and every other British servicemen out there. I'm pleased I'm not with you all anymore, but I sure do feel for you all, every day!
TSM
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1. We hear from the report that this was a "tirade" directed at the soldier. If the soldier had reason to believe that he was under threat of physical attack, such a tirade would satisfy the definition of "common assault." It isn't necessary for an actual physical attack to take place, simply that the victim had a justifiable fear that an attack would take place.
2. Religious 'aggravation' is a crime:
So, the incident appears to satisfy this definition and at least one, if not two crimes seem on the face of it, to have been committed.
The question now is, "What are the police doing about this incident?" Has the perpetrator been 'interviewed'? Charged? If not, why not? Too busy handing out speeding tickets? Or too hot to handle?
Though I've been against our involvement in Iraq from the very start, Afghanistan is a different matter. The drug dealing and deviationist Islamic teachings are where the real threat to the west always came from. When I read about this assault on one of our soldiers it made me so bloody angry I could hardly speak.
2. Religious 'aggravation' is a crime:
The Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 amends the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 to include religious aggravation within the definition of Section 28 CDA. Casework Bulletin 35 of 2001 provides further guidance. All references in this chapter to racial aggravation should therefore be read to include religious aggravation.
The question now is, "What are the police doing about this incident?" Has the perpetrator been 'interviewed'? Charged? If not, why not? Too busy handing out speeding tickets? Or too hot to handle?
Though I've been against our involvement in Iraq from the very start, Afghanistan is a different matter. The drug dealing and deviationist Islamic teachings are where the real threat to the west always came from. When I read about this assault on one of our soldiers it made me so bloody angry I could hardly speak.
A campaign to fight for the post-combat medical care that servicemen and women deserve would be one of the most worthy things that could be done by PPrune and ARRSE members.
Perhaps someone might like to raise the issue through the " Be the Editor" feature on the Victoria Derbyshire programme on Radio 5 Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/morning.shtml
I think in the post-Loden email climate this would be best done by one of our former serving members.
Perhaps the editorial staff could be directed towards this forum and ARRSE. I see that they are talking about this story over there but I haven't read through it yet.
The care that our people are (not) receiving is the biggest scandal of the whole chapter.
Perhaps someone might like to raise the issue through the " Be the Editor" feature on the Victoria Derbyshire programme on Radio 5 Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/morning.shtml
I think in the post-Loden email climate this would be best done by one of our former serving members.
Perhaps the editorial staff could be directed towards this forum and ARRSE. I see that they are talking about this story over there but I haven't read through it yet.
The care that our people are (not) receiving is the biggest scandal of the whole chapter.
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A campaign to fight for the post-combat medical care that servicemen and women deserve would be one of the most worthy things that could be done by PPrune and ARRSE members.
Perhaps someone might like to raise the issue through the " Be the Editor" feature on the Victoria Derbyshire programme on Radio 5 Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/morning.shtml
I think in the post-Loden email climate this would be best done by one of our former serving members.
Perhaps the editorial staff could be directed towards this forum and ARRSE. I see that they are talking about this story over there but I haven't read through it yet.
The care that our people are (not) receiving is the biggest scandal of the whole chapter.
Perhaps someone might like to raise the issue through the " Be the Editor" feature on the Victoria Derbyshire programme on Radio 5 Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/morning.shtml
I think in the post-Loden email climate this would be best done by one of our former serving members.
Perhaps the editorial staff could be directed towards this forum and ARRSE. I see that they are talking about this story over there but I haven't read through it yet.
The care that our people are (not) receiving is the biggest scandal of the whole chapter.
A wounded Para, on a ward in a hospital situated in the largest Muslim concentration in the UK, gets verbally assaulted (and yes, a race hate crime was committed), and it makes precisely zero column inches on the BBC,and there is no outcry from Neu Liebour for an increase in security or a review.
Anybody else spot the difference?
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Jimlad,
I'd bow out of this one if I were you. One of the key points in a dust up is knowing when to leg it. A lesson you don't seem to have ever learnt.
Aside from that. I have heard that there is an awful lot of stink being caused by service men going into NHS wards. This is happening at a very high up level and the practice may soon be coming to an end. If so, it will be a triumph for common sense, but unless the media get's stuck in I won't be holding my breath......
No chance of the military hospitals opening up again unfortunately.
I'd bow out of this one if I were you. One of the key points in a dust up is knowing when to leg it. A lesson you don't seem to have ever learnt.
Aside from that. I have heard that there is an awful lot of stink being caused by service men going into NHS wards. This is happening at a very high up level and the practice may soon be coming to an end. If so, it will be a triumph for common sense, but unless the media get's stuck in I won't be holding my breath......
No chance of the military hospitals opening up again unfortunately.
US Military Pay....for comparison.
The extra pay entitlement can be found on other pages at this site.
Perhaps the Retired Military folks, members of Veteran groups should stand up and form volunteer groups to assist the wounded and their families. That is a very strong part of the support network we provide our servicemen and women.
Para's have a strong bond as do the Marines....our Muslim friend might be a bit less likely to repeat his rude act if the proper baby sitter was standing by that Para's bedside.
The US Marine Corps has a Liasion Team that provides full support to the wounded and their families at Bethesda Naval Hospital. They book airline flights, meet the families at the airport, see them to the booked hotel, carry the baggage to the assigned rooms, transport them to the hospital, and just plain go the extra mile to help out. These guys are primarily Reservists with some Active Duty staff.
All it takes guys is for someone to give a ****....and DO Something! Perhaps one less pint in the mess each night and a donation to a group that is doing something for the wounded and their families is in order. Do you have a group setup at your base/station dedicated to looking after returned casualties in your area? If not.....why not? Get the Wive's Club off the Gin and out helping other Military wives whose husbands are away....go around and fix a leaky tap yourself....remind them they are not forgotten.
If these guys were laying in the dirt wounded....you wouldn't walk on by without lending a hand would you....what is different now. They need you every bit as much now as during the gunfight, if not more, because they are alone now fighting a really tough fight.
I had some guys open milk cartons for me and give them to me when neither of my hands were up to it ....a small gesture but very much appreciated. If you get involved you will get far more out of it than what you put into it....I promise.
It could be your turn one day.
The extra pay entitlement can be found on other pages at this site.
Perhaps the Retired Military folks, members of Veteran groups should stand up and form volunteer groups to assist the wounded and their families. That is a very strong part of the support network we provide our servicemen and women.
Para's have a strong bond as do the Marines....our Muslim friend might be a bit less likely to repeat his rude act if the proper baby sitter was standing by that Para's bedside.
The US Marine Corps has a Liasion Team that provides full support to the wounded and their families at Bethesda Naval Hospital. They book airline flights, meet the families at the airport, see them to the booked hotel, carry the baggage to the assigned rooms, transport them to the hospital, and just plain go the extra mile to help out. These guys are primarily Reservists with some Active Duty staff.
All it takes guys is for someone to give a ****....and DO Something! Perhaps one less pint in the mess each night and a donation to a group that is doing something for the wounded and their families is in order. Do you have a group setup at your base/station dedicated to looking after returned casualties in your area? If not.....why not? Get the Wive's Club off the Gin and out helping other Military wives whose husbands are away....go around and fix a leaky tap yourself....remind them they are not forgotten.
If these guys were laying in the dirt wounded....you wouldn't walk on by without lending a hand would you....what is different now. They need you every bit as much now as during the gunfight, if not more, because they are alone now fighting a really tough fight.
I had some guys open milk cartons for me and give them to me when neither of my hands were up to it ....a small gesture but very much appreciated. If you get involved you will get far more out of it than what you put into it....I promise.
It could be your turn one day.
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It seems so different over here
Did a boat trip round Hampton Roads to see Norfolk Naval Base last week - apart from some fairly obvious differences in systems and ship numbers it was impressive to have the commentator point out, and then sing the praises of, the massive VA hospital, and the medical treatment being provided to US wounded.
Flew from Chicago to Madison the next day courtesy of American Eagle - last person to board was an archetypal USMC officer in desert uniform. Flight attendant starts her usual introduction by pointing out how proud the airline is to have a USMC officer on board and the whole cabin clapped and cheered - what a difference of approach.
JB
Flew from Chicago to Madison the next day courtesy of American Eagle - last person to board was an archetypal USMC officer in desert uniform. Flight attendant starts her usual introduction by pointing out how proud the airline is to have a USMC officer on board and the whole cabin clapped and cheered - what a difference of approach.
JB
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Daily Telegraph, 3 October 2006
Our wounded soldiers deserve better treatment
Our wounded soldiers deserve better treatment
Tony Blair is the most bellicose Prime Minister in British history, punctuating his premiership with military intervention in distant lands.
He has sent troops into combat on six occasions – air strikes against Iraq in 1998 and against Kosovo in 1999, the "invasion" of Sierra Leone in 2000, of Afghanistan in 2001, of Iraq in 2003, and now the second deployment in Afghanistan to quell the Taliban insurgency.
Mr Blair adumbrated the philosophy behind this serial interventionism in his 1999 speech in Chicago in which he warned that appeasement does not work and that the most pressing foreign policy problem facing the West was "to identify the circumstances in which we should get actively involved in other people's conflicts".
The corollary to Mr Blair's in many ways laudable desire to right the world's wrongs is unprecedented pressure on the UK's Armed Forces. With the exception of the last century's two world wars, it is arguable that they have never in modern times been so stretched and so hard-worked over such a protracted period as under this New Labour Government and its Chicago doctrine. In these circumstances, our Servicemen and women have a right to expect only the very best treatment before, during and after combat.
If only. To the dreadful catalogue of equipment shortages and failures that have all too frequently characterised these armed interventions must now be added the unforgivable treatment meted out to wounded soldiers.
The grotesque spectacle – reported in this newspaper yesterday – of a wounded paratrooper being berated in an NHS ward by an angry Muslim who accused him of "killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan" simply beggars belief. Military casualties are only being treated in NHS hospitals at all because successive governments, in a crass display of short-term expediency, sold off military hospitals to property developers to help raise cash.
The result? British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq joke that they would prefer to take a more serious combat injury because that would mean them being sent to the US military hospital in Ramstein in Germany – not thrown on the mercies of a general NHS ward and taking their chances with the possibility of being harangued (or worse) by an aggrieved Muslim wandering in off the street.
Mr Blair's assertive foreign policy in a world made dangerous by Islamic terrorism can be justified.
What cannot be justified is the casual neglect with which the brave men and women who have helped him deliver that policy are being dealt with. Their courage, skill and professionalism are rightly lauded around the world and this Government owes them an enormous debt of gratitude. It's time it started to repay that debt by ensuring wounded soldiers receive the treatment they so richly deserve.
He has sent troops into combat on six occasions – air strikes against Iraq in 1998 and against Kosovo in 1999, the "invasion" of Sierra Leone in 2000, of Afghanistan in 2001, of Iraq in 2003, and now the second deployment in Afghanistan to quell the Taliban insurgency.
Mr Blair adumbrated the philosophy behind this serial interventionism in his 1999 speech in Chicago in which he warned that appeasement does not work and that the most pressing foreign policy problem facing the West was "to identify the circumstances in which we should get actively involved in other people's conflicts".
The corollary to Mr Blair's in many ways laudable desire to right the world's wrongs is unprecedented pressure on the UK's Armed Forces. With the exception of the last century's two world wars, it is arguable that they have never in modern times been so stretched and so hard-worked over such a protracted period as under this New Labour Government and its Chicago doctrine. In these circumstances, our Servicemen and women have a right to expect only the very best treatment before, during and after combat.
If only. To the dreadful catalogue of equipment shortages and failures that have all too frequently characterised these armed interventions must now be added the unforgivable treatment meted out to wounded soldiers.
The grotesque spectacle – reported in this newspaper yesterday – of a wounded paratrooper being berated in an NHS ward by an angry Muslim who accused him of "killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan" simply beggars belief. Military casualties are only being treated in NHS hospitals at all because successive governments, in a crass display of short-term expediency, sold off military hospitals to property developers to help raise cash.
The result? British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq joke that they would prefer to take a more serious combat injury because that would mean them being sent to the US military hospital in Ramstein in Germany – not thrown on the mercies of a general NHS ward and taking their chances with the possibility of being harangued (or worse) by an aggrieved Muslim wandering in off the street.
Mr Blair's assertive foreign policy in a world made dangerous by Islamic terrorism can be justified.
What cannot be justified is the casual neglect with which the brave men and women who have helped him deliver that policy are being dealt with. Their courage, skill and professionalism are rightly lauded around the world and this Government owes them an enormous debt of gratitude. It's time it started to repay that debt by ensuring wounded soldiers receive the treatment they so richly deserve.
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Seems to me that this is an area in which a Federation could raise the issue with the media, and hopefully improve the publics awareness of the realities of life in the services.
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Here's something we can do
Even if its not much!
On their website today, the Telegraph is running a chance to post your thoughts about how military personnel are treated. The link is: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ublview03.xml
It wouldnt hurt for dozens (maybe hundreds) of us put up a one liner or even more.
BTW I'm not a journo. i was just feeling pi$$ed off at not having anything to do so I went searching.
Regards
XRAF
On their website today, the Telegraph is running a chance to post your thoughts about how military personnel are treated. The link is: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ublview03.xml
It wouldnt hurt for dozens (maybe hundreds) of us put up a one liner or even more.
BTW I'm not a journo. i was just feeling pi$$ed off at not having anything to do so I went searching.
Regards
XRAF
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Going back 20+ years - imagine the fuss if injured Paras had been put on civilian wards - and an Irish Nationalist had been caught "berating" a Para about Bloody Sunday.
Something Would Have Been Done.
Something Would Have Been Done.
Gentleman Aviator
Something Would Have Been Done.
20 years ago = the Blessed Margaret
Now = the Cursed Bliar
QED!
Back to thread -military hospitals were wonderful. Had an overseas misfortune many years ago (here goes the incognito).
Patched up in the local MASH/FST in theatre.
Then to BMH in Cyprus for slightly more comprehensive care.
Back to UK - overnighted in Wroughton (so handy for Brize), then off to Halton for plastics and orthopaedic stuff .....
Good as new eventually, except a slight limp when anyone mentioned going on a parade!
And then there were the Sisters' Messes .......
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[quote=BellEndBob;2883815]I'm going to stick my neck out here and say this seems to be the product of a slow news day. 
Well looks like this slow news day is continuing to attract interest from the hacks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nsoldier03.xml
The closure of dedicated military hospitals must have seemed an "easy win" for the numerous budgeteers, but who would have predicted the steady flow of casualties requiring specialist health care? Once again there has been a serious lack of joined up forward thinking. The Services have always looked after their own, and leaving them to the mercy of the NHS was always asking for trouble.
Well looks like this slow news day is continuing to attract interest from the hacks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nsoldier03.xml
The closure of dedicated military hospitals must have seemed an "easy win" for the numerous budgeteers, but who would have predicted the steady flow of casualties requiring specialist health care? Once again there has been a serious lack of joined up forward thinking. The Services have always looked after their own, and leaving them to the mercy of the NHS was always asking for trouble.
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RAF Nocton Hall, an RAF Wg Cdr surgeon (Spud Murphy) and the best part of a year at the excellent tri-service rehab establishment at Headley Court means that I CAN walk, albeit with a slight limp. Eternally grateful.
Cannot believe the erosion of the level of care that has occured since - it borders on criminally negligent.
BEagle continually reminds us that he would join the Air Force that he joined but he wouldn't join today's air-farce. I totally agree with him.
Cannot believe the erosion of the level of care that has occured since - it borders on criminally negligent.
BEagle continually reminds us that he would join the Air Force that he joined but he wouldn't join today's air-farce. I totally agree with him.