Nimrod crash in Afghanistan Tech/Info/Discussion (NOT condolences)
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If anyone wants to read the 1st report on the stripdown of the MR2 by QQ it waa posted here todaay. Ministry of Defence | About Defence | Corporate Publications | Air Safety and Aviation Publications | Flight Safety
QinetiQ: Nimrod Ageing Aircraft Systems Audit
These reports concern the Nimrod Ageing Aircraft Audit during the period from contract award on 1st August to 1st September 2008. The first report details the Audit, while the second report summarises the sentencing undertaken by engineering maintenance specialists to investigate the 19 example observations reported in the Audit.
QinetiQ: Nimrod Ageing Aircraft Systems Audit
These reports concern the Nimrod Ageing Aircraft Audit during the period from contract award on 1st August to 1st September 2008. The first report details the Audit, while the second report summarises the sentencing undertaken by engineering maintenance specialists to investigate the 19 example observations reported in the Audit.
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Unrecorded faults on spy plane
The Press Association: Unrecorded faults on spy plane
8.40am
An inspection of an operational Nimrod spy plane revealed "a number of faults" which had not been recorded in its maintenance documents, the MoD said.
The Press Association: Unrecorded faults on spy plane
8.40am
An inspection of an operational Nimrod spy plane revealed "a number of faults" which had not been recorded in its maintenance documents, the MoD said.
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Unrecorded faults...
Without knowing the exact details in the case of the Nimrod, I have to say that I would not be at all surprised. The state of an old fleet probably means that the aircraft documentaion would be a foot thick if everything got recorded and then people would become quite blase about it!! The tolerance level of what needs recording and what does not is down to professional judgement of the technicians and engineers maintaining the aircraft, iaw approved data, whom I have absolutely no doubt will not ignore significant 'faults' dents. scratches etc. Have a look at any current fleet (Typhoon included)and you would probably find the same..... no sensationalism here I'm afraid.
NIP
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The report notes the following DEFECTS.
Oh dear. But never fear, Mins(AF) have already ruled that such defects (meaning the quality of the design is the root cause, as opposed to servicing problems) are of no consequence. Wonder what BAeS think of this?
You may as well ditch engineers and place administrators in charge of engineering and airworthiness decisions. Oh, wait a minute……….
- Corroded earthing straps.
- Broken earthing straps.
You may as well ditch engineers and place administrators in charge of engineering and airworthiness decisions. Oh, wait a minute……….
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just a question, this thread has been going for a long time now, with lots of very well informed people contributing, do we have any idea if the top brass or MOD are reading or listening to any of this, is there a campaign group for the minrod?
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true, i personally dont want to see them grounded, from the little knowledge i have gained there is no need, what i meant was just to make sure the money is there to maintain them correctly and let the crews do their jobs correctly without the bean counters telling them no.
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TD, thanks as ever for your continuing vigilance in keeping us up to date
When I followed that link, I noted with some amusement the item above the Qinetiq audit, which the dear old Ministry had titled
so I followed that, to find (increased font size is mine)
The report itself, unsurprisingly, has the id correct.
I asked myself - how can they be so totally inattentive to important detail?
But then I remembered the recent evidence at the Hercules inquest from Chris Protheroe, a senior Accident Inspector at the AAIB. He was obliged to tell the Coroner that the rather important word 'not' had been missed out of two significant conclusions in his written report - causing the Coroner to remark that Mr Protheroe might be an expert on accidents, but was clearly not expert on proof-reading.
Seems you can't take anything at face value.....
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If anyone wants to read the 1st report on the stripdown of the MR2 by QQ it waa posted here todaay. Ministry of Defence | About Defence | Corporate Publications | Air Safety and Aviation Publications | Flight Safety
Nimrod VX235 Flight Safety Investigation Report
Nimrod VX235 Flight Safety Investigation Report
Due to continuing public interest in Nimrod airworthiness, it has been decided that the final Flight Safety Investigation Report into the fuel leak that occurred on Nimrod MR2 XV235 on 5 November 2007 will be released.
Due to continuing public interest in Nimrod airworthiness, it has been decided that the final Flight Safety Investigation Report into the fuel leak that occurred on Nimrod MR2 XV235 on 5 November 2007 will be released.
I asked myself - how can they be so totally inattentive to important detail?
But then I remembered the recent evidence at the Hercules inquest from Chris Protheroe, a senior Accident Inspector at the AAIB. He was obliged to tell the Coroner that the rather important word 'not' had been missed out of two significant conclusions in his written report - causing the Coroner to remark that Mr Protheroe might be an expert on accidents, but was clearly not expert on proof-reading.
Seems you can't take anything at face value.....
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Is that it Airsound? A typo? Nothing else? You're hanging onto a typo?
Beggars belief really.
Beggars belief really.
Come on Airsound, you really are clutching at tiny straws with which to have a go at authority/MOD with
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No on that point I do agree with you, ok you could argue that with something as important as this then perhaps proof reading first might not have been a bad idea, but there are bigger and more important issues we as a group are trying to deal with here (you included)
I was just wondering yesterday weather or not it might be interesting for those who wanted to, to meet up, put faces to names and discuss this over a few drinks. There some very well informed people on here.... I leave myself out of that as I’m still learning. But this safety issue might not be a bad thing to look at right across the RAF and help out the ground crews when they hit a wall due either to money or bureaucracy.
What do people think?
Duncan
I was just wondering yesterday weather or not it might be interesting for those who wanted to, to meet up, put faces to names and discuss this over a few drinks. There some very well informed people on here.... I leave myself out of that as I’m still learning. But this safety issue might not be a bad thing to look at right across the RAF and help out the ground crews when they hit a wall due either to money or bureaucracy.
What do people think?
Duncan
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ha ha yes supposed i deserve that one. Though i will say i have never tried to proclaim to be even remotely an expect in the subject just asking i hope some sensible questions from an outsiders point of view
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They made a typo? So what?
However, I concede that this matters not a jot, following 2* and 4* rulings that (a) Boscombe can be completely ignored if they say “not” and (b) the aircraft can be delivered and contract paid off in the full knowledge that it is neither airworthy nor fit for purpose. Thus leaving the RTSA completely in the clag, forcing him to either delay RTS (career limiting) or sign a hefty wad of Service Deviations in which the terms “Operational Constraint / Limitation” and “safety” feature heavily.
As I said, I disagreed with the rulings, but I know there are many here who seemingly agree.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Nimrods about forty years old or somthing? I didn't think they operated them in this day and age? I remember watching doco's when I was a little kid with them in and they were old then!