Married quarters for homosexuals?
Just a quick point, if you do secure a surplus quarter, you will not be allowed to co-habit, this was made very clear to me when I bagged a surplus MQ. However what went on after the little hitler left, well who knows?
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You require Chapter 10 of JSP 464 (Tri-Service Accomodation Regulations).
Basically, if there is surplus SFA at your Unit, and the Military Commander supports your application, and IF DEHD say yes, you may reside, however, co-habitaion is not permitted, and you will have to sign an "no co-habitation" certificate during the move in process.
I have recently been through all these hoops to get my SFA 2 weeks earlier than my entitlement upon marriage - it took them 4 months to say yes, but then said I would still have to wait the 21 days they are contractually obliged to give MHS to bring the SFA up to standard - strangely, 21 days coincided with my entitlement date! Damn.
Best of luck though,
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Basically, if there is surplus SFA at your Unit, and the Military Commander supports your application, and IF DEHD say yes, you may reside, however, co-habitaion is not permitted, and you will have to sign an "no co-habitation" certificate during the move in process.
I have recently been through all these hoops to get my SFA 2 weeks earlier than my entitlement upon marriage - it took them 4 months to say yes, but then said I would still have to wait the 21 days they are contractually obliged to give MHS to bring the SFA up to standard - strangely, 21 days coincided with my entitlement date! Damn.
Best of luck though,
MATZ
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Ah yes Scotland!
Presently enjoying 25degC with a 12kt cooling breeze from the NW which is ideal for sailing and the golf course - the caravan sites are jam packed, as are the endless miles of ****e free beaches, parks and tennis courts where the kids play paedophile-free, and you can get a very handsome haddock & chip supper for £3.50 and a pint of Bellhaven Best for £2.40
You can also taste the fresh air here, which, coupled with a few drams of Highland Park, ensures a good nights sleep
I do believe after the last announcement that ISK is now a superbase!
"Git yerself poosted ma loon, yer'll nae regrit it"
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Ah yes Scotland!
Presently enjoying 25degC with a 12kt cooling breeze from the NW which is ideal for sailing and the golf course - the caravan sites are jam packed, as are the endless miles of ****e free beaches, parks and tennis courts where the kids play paedophile-free, and you can get a very handsome haddock & chip supper for £3.50 and a pint of Bellhaven Best for £2.40
You can also taste the fresh air here, which, coupled with a few drams of Highland Park, ensures a good nights sleep
I do believe after the last announcement that ISK is now a superbase!
"Git yerself poosted ma loon, yer'll nae regrit it"
Regards from a very suntanned B15
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tablet,
leave the (potential) bigot alone.
You share a common problem - he has no problem so long as "they keep themselves to themselves" and you don't have a problem if they don't get up your nose - same issue. And it's going to derail the thread...
Back to housing (the purpose of this thread).
I know advice to get wed is rarely the answer some people are looking for, especially if the time or finances are not right for the full bash - but go do the registry office thing then do the full white wedding church thing later and have a blessing. If you want the quarter because you are in a long-lasting meaningful relationship then get a piece of paper and faff about with the meringue dresses later. If you want it because you fancy getting out of the block because you work out that it's cheaper for the pair of you - get a private flat - the way quarter rents are going (POLICY!!) they'll be equivalent in a couple of years; cheating on the 'no-cohabitation clause' won't work because there will always be some interfering busybody on the patch who dobs you in.
leave the (potential) bigot alone.
You share a common problem - he has no problem so long as "they keep themselves to themselves" and you don't have a problem if they don't get up your nose - same issue. And it's going to derail the thread...Back to housing (the purpose of this thread).
I know advice to get wed is rarely the answer some people are looking for, especially if the time or finances are not right for the full bash - but go do the registry office thing then do the full white wedding church thing later and have a blessing. If you want the quarter because you are in a long-lasting meaningful relationship then get a piece of paper and faff about with the meringue dresses later. If you want it because you fancy getting out of the block because you work out that it's cheaper for the pair of you - get a private flat - the way quarter rents are going (POLICY!!) they'll be equivalent in a couple of years; cheating on the 'no-cohabitation clause' won't work because there will always be some interfering busybody on the patch who dobs you in.
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Not this s*** again, some fancy girls, some fancy boys - get over it
Don't think of is as a problem, look on it as a opportunity
You pair up with your 'bezza', go through the processes and say hello to subsidised accommodation - I doubt if even the RAFP would check who's been sleeping where (oops, wrong thread) then, both 'come out', (er...if you see what I mean) and install chosen ladies under said DHE roof claiming them to be half sisters or some such, don't dissolve 'civil partnership' until one or other is posted*
Job's a good 'un
*Slight snagget, you must really trust your oppo
Don't think of is as a problem, look on it as a opportunity
You pair up with your 'bezza', go through the processes and say hello to subsidised accommodation - I doubt if even the RAFP would check who's been sleeping where (oops, wrong thread) then, both 'come out', (er...if you see what I mean) and install chosen ladies under said DHE roof claiming them to be half sisters or some such, don't dissolve 'civil partnership' until one or other is posted*
Job's a good 'un
*Slight snagget, you must really trust your oppo
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
just out of interest, why did you refer to Joe Blacks fiance as his girfriend and your other half as your partner. Surely in this context he is your boyfriend?
And as Ayeright says, is there some implication that his relationship any less valid or important than the other fella's?
There are lots of minor comments floating about here which, on the face of it, could be regarded as throw-away lines, but it's this kind of attitude that reinforces homophobia and leads to heaven-know how many lives being screwed-up. To hear someone loftily saying that he has "no problem with homosexuals" providing that "they keep themselves to themselves" is just offensive. Gay people don't announce that they "have no problem with straight people as long as they keep themselves to themselves"...
What on earth is he implying? Does he think that gay people are giggling, girly sex maniacs waiting to molest every guy they can seduce? Maybe he's been watching too much Graham Norton? I don't want to sound like another whining, militant gay rights campaigner, but this kind of attitude is precisely the kind of thing that the RAF doesn't need to be getting from servicemen. The simple (and rather mundane) fact is that gay men are exactly the same as everyone else, except that they have a sexual preference for people of the same gender. So why do we have to persist with the schoolboy sniggering, nasty, condescending comments like those described, or anything else which, if applied to other groups, would be regarded as disgusting? Just a couple of weeks back, the Royal Navy sent a group of servicemen through London, in uniform, as part of the annual Gay Pride parade. Thankfully, the Navy has finally got over the infantile gay sniggers syndrome, so let's hope that the RAF follows?
As for the original point of this thread, you have to bear in mind that gay couple, straight couples, the MoD and everyone else, gets wrapped-up in such difficulties because of the muddled thinking of the government and the interference of the Church. The Partnership business only came-about because gay people wanted legal equality with straight couples. The Church insisted that the sanctity of marriage had to be protected (from us dirty, lowly homos) and so the government caved-in and accepted that there would be one rule for straight people and another for gay people. Hence the confusion, resentment and continual biccering. Gay couples can't get married because the govermnment won't let them... because of the poisonous influence of the church. Like so many things in life (not least the various military campaigns we're currently wrapped-up in) it's good ol' religion that is ultimately responsible.
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Try having a child with her.
Then you can have a quarter (as marital cat 2), but she can only stay 56 nights in any 12 month period.
You can have anyone else to stay; an au pair, cleaner, stripper, her sister perhaps, for the other 309 days, but she can only stay 56. Otherwise DHE can withdraw your entitlement.
Hence I couldn't get a quarter when marital cat 2, because DHE didn't trust the mother of my child wouldn't stay past her prescribed welcome.
Surely it's 1906?
Then you can have a quarter (as marital cat 2), but she can only stay 56 nights in any 12 month period.
You can have anyone else to stay; an au pair, cleaner, stripper, her sister perhaps, for the other 309 days, but she can only stay 56. Otherwise DHE can withdraw your entitlement.
Hence I couldn't get a quarter when marital cat 2, because DHE didn't trust the mother of my child wouldn't stay past her prescribed welcome.
Surely it's 1906?
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My only advice on this is to get out of DHE accommodation whatever way you can.
Buy, rent, house-sit, anything to avoid the beaurocratic self-important semi-retired gits, their substandard crumbling sheds and the 1930s opinions of family life.
Only once you've moved out will it become clear what a real shambles DHE is.
Buy, rent, house-sit, anything to avoid the beaurocratic self-important semi-retired gits, their substandard crumbling sheds and the 1930s opinions of family life.
Only once you've moved out will it become clear what a real shambles DHE is.
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D-IFF is right. A mate of mine is single but lives in a MQ....because he has a son who is at Boarding school and he collects the BSA...therefore he is entitled to a MQ...But the lad doesn't live with him...cos he's at boarding school...How daft is that?
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Originally Posted by vecvechookattack
D-IFF is right. A mate of mine is single but lives in a MQ....because he has a son who is at Boarding school and he collects the BSA...therefore he is entitled to a MQ...But the lad doesn't live with him...cos he's at boarding school...How daft is that?
Tim McLelland,
That was an excellently put post, well done!
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That was an excellently put post, well done!
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WHOA! Half (more than, even) this thread just disappeared!
I guess the gay mafia is alive and well on PPRuNe, then.
Gays, take note. THIS kind of thing is what pisses decent straight (non-homophobic) folks off more than anything. I notice all the gay propaganda has been left untouched. What say you, PPRuNe?
I guess the gay mafia is alive and well on PPRuNe, then.
Gays, take note. THIS kind of thing is what pisses decent straight (non-homophobic) folks off more than anything. I notice all the gay propaganda has been left untouched. What say you, PPRuNe?
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[QUOTE=Tim McLelland]Do people still use that kind of language? I thought it had died-out with Jim Davidson, mullets and platform heels.
Yes, strange as it may seem, people do, and some of us have more of a problem with censorious, tut-tutting types than we do with any adult sexual orientation. The crowning beauty of the English language is its unequalled breadth, much of it inevitably derogatory, and the chief saving grace of its users is - or was before they let their dingleberry politicos stir up an inane grievance culture which disproportionately benefits bourgeois paternalists - an ability to take offence and reply with something equally amusing and inventive. Mature adults might not use such words in everyday discourse, but they always remember : 'If you can't take a joke...'
While wariness of or hatred for homosexuality might be silly and culturally insensitive (take note all : the PC no longer describe themselves thus) the only harm it'll do is if Bliar and his comrades put £1 of the defence budget in a big pink swear box every time some liney, Rock or fearless aviator uses a word they disapprove of, in which case we won't be able to invade the Isle of Dogs and the Typhoon fleet'll be on www.everettaero.com by Christmas. Personally I'd have thought that the last thing the RAF needs right now is another round of budget cuts, the Args invading the FIs or the EOC dicking around with a linguistic witch-hunt, but I stand to be corrected.
And to conclude the rant, in what way was the RN's presence at the Gay Pride event some kind of good ? The armed forces have no business being 'representative' of the UK population and no business 'reaching out' to or reassuring any self-defined segment of it. The armed forces exist to do the single most fundamental job of any arm of the state and the membership standard must be visibly and aggressively indivisible. No 'West Indian RAF Association', no 'Gay RN Association', no 'RIR Sash My Father Wore FTP Association', no 'White Middle Class And Vigorously Heterosexual Thank You Very Much Tornado Pilot's Association'; if you're good enough, you're in, you're ours and you're nothing else. Those who have a problem with being British members of the British armed forces can sod off to America and claim any identity they want.
I am not a number ! Oh no, hang on, I am. Sorry.
Yes, strange as it may seem, people do, and some of us have more of a problem with censorious, tut-tutting types than we do with any adult sexual orientation. The crowning beauty of the English language is its unequalled breadth, much of it inevitably derogatory, and the chief saving grace of its users is - or was before they let their dingleberry politicos stir up an inane grievance culture which disproportionately benefits bourgeois paternalists - an ability to take offence and reply with something equally amusing and inventive. Mature adults might not use such words in everyday discourse, but they always remember : 'If you can't take a joke...'
While wariness of or hatred for homosexuality might be silly and culturally insensitive (take note all : the PC no longer describe themselves thus) the only harm it'll do is if Bliar and his comrades put £1 of the defence budget in a big pink swear box every time some liney, Rock or fearless aviator uses a word they disapprove of, in which case we won't be able to invade the Isle of Dogs and the Typhoon fleet'll be on www.everettaero.com by Christmas. Personally I'd have thought that the last thing the RAF needs right now is another round of budget cuts, the Args invading the FIs or the EOC dicking around with a linguistic witch-hunt, but I stand to be corrected.
And to conclude the rant, in what way was the RN's presence at the Gay Pride event some kind of good ? The armed forces have no business being 'representative' of the UK population and no business 'reaching out' to or reassuring any self-defined segment of it. The armed forces exist to do the single most fundamental job of any arm of the state and the membership standard must be visibly and aggressively indivisible. No 'West Indian RAF Association', no 'Gay RN Association', no 'RIR Sash My Father Wore FTP Association', no 'White Middle Class And Vigorously Heterosexual Thank You Very Much Tornado Pilot's Association'; if you're good enough, you're in, you're ours and you're nothing else. Those who have a problem with being British members of the British armed forces can sod off to America and claim any identity they want.
I am not a number ! Oh no, hang on, I am. Sorry.
MR12 
Well said fella!
We had a very interesting discussion at the Purple Learning Centre in Swindonshire the other day, in which the Zero Tolerance 'campaign' came up. The general consensus was that it is grossly biased against white straight men - hopefully we will get OUR questionaire to give OUR statistics on how many of us in the RAF have suffered sexual harassment.
90% of women?.....b0ll0(ks!
PS: If I so wished, could I wear my best blues at a White Power rally if gays can attend their personal pressure groups?
Well said fella!
We had a very interesting discussion at the Purple Learning Centre in Swindonshire the other day, in which the Zero Tolerance 'campaign' came up. The general consensus was that it is grossly biased against white straight men - hopefully we will get OUR questionaire to give OUR statistics on how many of us in the RAF have suffered sexual harassment.
90% of women?.....b0ll0(ks!
PS: If I so wished, could I wear my best blues at a White Power rally if gays can attend their personal pressure groups?
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MR12, you've heroically missed the point, I fear.
I can quite understand that some people might well get sick and tired of political correctness - I do too, but this subject has lots to do with the RAF and MoD. You'll be only too aware of the acute problems that the MoD is having in terms of recruitment, and it makes perfect sense to "put one's house in order" to ensure that no member of the public feels excluded from the opportunity to join the armed forces. On a wider theme, just from a moral viewpoint it has to be a good thing too, doesn't it?
I think that from your persepctive, you're looking at this matter as if the MoD is making unfair efforts to cater for the interests of a minority group. Okay, if you look at it like that then it might seem annoying, but try looking at it from the perspecteive of a young gay man (or woman) who is just the same as any other lad, has a passion for aeroplanes or military subjects, wants to get through school and be a fast jet pilot or join the Army or whatever, and what does he think? He gets a mental image of sniggering comments, sideways looks, whispered rumours, or worse still, abuse, maybe even violence, all because he merely has a different sexual orientation which doesn't render him any less capable of doing his job, or living his life in just the same way as anyone else.
I quite agree that political correctness is a mixed blessing which often annoys rather than impresses, but we can't allow a modern society, and particularly our armed forces, to continue condoning the kind of attitudes that are better suited to early Carry-On films. Gay people (okay with some exceptions) are not limp-wristed, pink-wearing, girly sexual predators; they're people like you with the same number of limbs, the same lives and interests and the same aspirations, and they have the same right as you to be treated exactly the same. Even now in 2006, us homos are still most certainly not treated the same as everybody else, but we're getting-there, and whilst I agree that it would have been nice to have got this far without marching, shouting, campaigning, whining and bitching, you have to accept that this is the only way that any progress is ever made. Sadly, people's perceptions and attitudes don't change unless you hit them with a few reality checks.
Oh, and the Navy marching through London? Well, contrary to your comments, the MoD has every need to "reach out" particularly to large chunks of the population such as ours. It's not as if we're a small group - we represent something like twenty percent of the population (the "one in then" catchphrase is an urban myth). You can bet that more than a few young people will have been encouraged to see that it is (finally) possible to wear a RN uniform and openly announce your sexuality without fear of so much as a sideways glance, and hopefully a few more people will join their ranks as a result. If the MoD maintain this kind of attiude, it might not be too long before we reach that happy stage where we don't even know why we ever regarded homosexuality as even being an issue. Imagine!
I can quite understand that some people might well get sick and tired of political correctness - I do too, but this subject has lots to do with the RAF and MoD. You'll be only too aware of the acute problems that the MoD is having in terms of recruitment, and it makes perfect sense to "put one's house in order" to ensure that no member of the public feels excluded from the opportunity to join the armed forces. On a wider theme, just from a moral viewpoint it has to be a good thing too, doesn't it?
I think that from your persepctive, you're looking at this matter as if the MoD is making unfair efforts to cater for the interests of a minority group. Okay, if you look at it like that then it might seem annoying, but try looking at it from the perspecteive of a young gay man (or woman) who is just the same as any other lad, has a passion for aeroplanes or military subjects, wants to get through school and be a fast jet pilot or join the Army or whatever, and what does he think? He gets a mental image of sniggering comments, sideways looks, whispered rumours, or worse still, abuse, maybe even violence, all because he merely has a different sexual orientation which doesn't render him any less capable of doing his job, or living his life in just the same way as anyone else.
I quite agree that political correctness is a mixed blessing which often annoys rather than impresses, but we can't allow a modern society, and particularly our armed forces, to continue condoning the kind of attitudes that are better suited to early Carry-On films. Gay people (okay with some exceptions) are not limp-wristed, pink-wearing, girly sexual predators; they're people like you with the same number of limbs, the same lives and interests and the same aspirations, and they have the same right as you to be treated exactly the same. Even now in 2006, us homos are still most certainly not treated the same as everybody else, but we're getting-there, and whilst I agree that it would have been nice to have got this far without marching, shouting, campaigning, whining and bitching, you have to accept that this is the only way that any progress is ever made. Sadly, people's perceptions and attitudes don't change unless you hit them with a few reality checks.
Oh, and the Navy marching through London? Well, contrary to your comments, the MoD has every need to "reach out" particularly to large chunks of the population such as ours. It's not as if we're a small group - we represent something like twenty percent of the population (the "one in then" catchphrase is an urban myth). You can bet that more than a few young people will have been encouraged to see that it is (finally) possible to wear a RN uniform and openly announce your sexuality without fear of so much as a sideways glance, and hopefully a few more people will join their ranks as a result. If the MoD maintain this kind of attiude, it might not be too long before we reach that happy stage where we don't even know why we ever regarded homosexuality as even being an issue. Imagine!