Home to Duty - ANOTHER JPA Farce!
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Originally Posted by No idea
SPG - no one cares because no one has the courage to put in a Redress of Complaint against how they have been treated since the introduction of JPA. Getting the papers to write a minor article doesn't work. Ministers want to know how many Formal Complaints have been received (ie Redress of Complaint), the sad point is that despite the whinging and whining on this forum non one has.
If you want something done about it, put it in writing to your CO as a Redress of Complaint. Remember this is your statutory right under the various Discipline Acts. Provided it is 'in time' and stands on its own (ie makes sense) then your CO has a duty (that he can't ignore) to investigate the complaint. If he can't resolve it then he has to refer it via his Higher Authority.
JPA online (approx) 20 Mar 06
Redress of Complaint submitted to date - NIL
Get writing chaps and chapesses or your pay etc will continue to be messed up. Next ministerial review on this issue is in the next few weeks.
If you want something done about it, put it in writing to your CO as a Redress of Complaint. Remember this is your statutory right under the various Discipline Acts. Provided it is 'in time' and stands on its own (ie makes sense) then your CO has a duty (that he can't ignore) to investigate the complaint. If he can't resolve it then he has to refer it via his Higher Authority.
JPA online (approx) 20 Mar 06
Redress of Complaint submitted to date - NIL
Get writing chaps and chapesses or your pay etc will continue to be messed up. Next ministerial review on this issue is in the next few weeks.
That's twice now you've posted encouraging me to submit a redress. What is it with you?
The reason I haven't? I believe in the military chain of command, and redress should be your last recourse if all else has failed.
Picture the scene: "so you submitted a redress becaise your pay was continually incorrect?" Answer: "Yes"
"And did you address these issues with the JPA and Stn authorities to allow them to deal with the issues at the appropriate level?"
"Er....no"
"Get out"
Or words to that effect.
SBG
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Originally Posted by Spotting Bad Guys
Picture the scene: "so you submitted a redress becaise your pay was continually incorrect?" Answer: "Yes"
"And did you address these issues with the JPA and Stn authorities to allow them to deal with the issues at the appropriate level?"
"Er....no"
"Get out"
Or words to that effect.
SBG
"And did you address these issues with the JPA and Stn authorities to allow them to deal with the issues at the appropriate level?"
"Er....no"
"Get out"
Or words to that effect.
SBG
I spent the last 4 days trying to get through to the help line. 3 of those days's I was flying later and ended up really wound up before flight - especally as:
1. The lady told me I had to make a personal contribution so what was i moaning about (couldn't understand that for me to contribute a portion they had to give me the lion's share!).
2. No phone call back as they promised.
3. Next day, another 25 attempts to get through
4. Gave up last night to go flying - wound up again.
The biggest problem is that nobody with any clout appears interested in ocking the boat. Just glad I'm not leaving right now as they would probably bu99er up the pension/gratuity!!
Right - s said before - I'm off to make myself unpopular with the boss again!!
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On the subject of HTD -
Happened to mention to some of our civvie-service counterparts the way RILOR was changed to HTD overnight ( mid tour for most ) with a reduction in the rates and the 50 mile capping.
Was greeted with 'gasps' of shock, horror & disbelief and comments of 'we'd never accept that..', ' oooh the unions would throw a right wobbler..' etc....
Anyone else's comments on JPA brought on the same reaction I wonder ?
Funny how HTD was the one of the last things to hit the JSP just before the intro...hmmmm......
Happened to mention to some of our civvie-service counterparts the way RILOR was changed to HTD overnight ( mid tour for most ) with a reduction in the rates and the 50 mile capping.
Was greeted with 'gasps' of shock, horror & disbelief and comments of 'we'd never accept that..', ' oooh the unions would throw a right wobbler..' etc....
Anyone else's comments on JPA brought on the same reaction I wonder ?
Funny how HTD was the one of the last things to hit the JSP just before the intro...hmmmm......
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Just think, lots of guys & girls maintaining & flying aircraft, in the same (distracted) position.......
Imagine the scene - lad gets his 5 mins home via satellite from the middle of the Pacific/desert and his lady gives him 4m 59secs of hell because the joint account hasn't been topped up correctly, and she needs £xxx to pay for Junior's shoes/school trip/you name it.
The Telegraph the other day in an article about JPA referred to flying pay as "a bonus". I thought that the flying was the bonus, and the pay was, well, pay.
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Originally Posted by Spotting Bad Guys
That's twice now you've posted encouraging me to submit a redress. What is it with you?
The reason I haven't? I believe in the military chain of command, and redress should be your last recourse if all else has failed.
Picture the scene: "so you submitted a redress becaise your pay was continually incorrect?" Answer: "Yes"
"And did you address these issues with the JPA and Stn authorities to allow them to deal with the issues at the appropriate level?"
"Er....no"
"Get out"
Or words to that effect.
SBG
The reason I haven't? I believe in the military chain of command, and redress should be your last recourse if all else has failed.
Picture the scene: "so you submitted a redress becaise your pay was continually incorrect?" Answer: "Yes"
"And did you address these issues with the JPA and Stn authorities to allow them to deal with the issues at the appropriate level?"
"Er....no"
"Get out"
Or words to that effect.
SBG
PS - My pay hasn't been affected at all.
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Originally Posted by jpa-in
On the subject of HTD -
Happened to mention to some of our civvie-service counterparts the way RILOR was changed to HTD overnight ( mid tour for most ) with a reduction in the rates and the 50 mile capping.
Was greeted with 'gasps' of shock, horror & disbelief and comments of 'we'd never accept that..', ' oooh the unions would throw a right wobbler..' etc....
Anyone else's comments on JPA brought on the same reaction I wonder ?
Funny how HTD was the one of the last things to hit the JSP just before the intro...hmmmm......
Happened to mention to some of our civvie-service counterparts the way RILOR was changed to HTD overnight ( mid tour for most ) with a reduction in the rates and the 50 mile capping.
Was greeted with 'gasps' of shock, horror & disbelief and comments of 'we'd never accept that..', ' oooh the unions would throw a right wobbler..' etc....
Anyone else's comments on JPA brought on the same reaction I wonder ?
Funny how HTD was the one of the last things to hit the JSP just before the intro...hmmmm......
At some point in the future there will be a truly operation-stopping manpower crisis or, even worse, a defeat of ill-equipped, poorly supported, inexperienced British forces. Although not directly responsible, JPA and it's stealth cuts will undoubtedly feature as contributory in the resultant Bloggs Report as another milestone in the erosion of quality of life.
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At some point in the future there will be a truly operation-stopping manpower crisis or, even worse, a defeat of ill-equipped, poorly supported, inexperienced British forces. Although not directly responsible, JPA and it's stealth cuts will undoubtedly feature as contributory in the resultant Bloggs Report as another milestone in the erosion of quality of life.
Indeed, it will probably carry a paragraph saying "but for the rapid and smooth introduction of JPA, the crisis would have been much worse".
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superb PowerPoint pres showing the lessons learned.
... last couple of said PowerPoints I've seen have been "Lessons Identified"!
Which is tacit admittal of total failure to consider that any lessons could be learned.....
Who are these arrogant donkeys who can't accept that lessons might have to be learned?
I'll bet they're very handy with PowerPoint slide transitions though....
Who are these arrogant donkeys who can't accept that lessons might have to be learned?
I'll bet they're very handy with PowerPoint slide transitions though....
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Originally Posted by airborne_artist
That's been concerning me as well. Imagine the potential for foul-ups if AFPAA rolls out JPA to the RN and Army before all this is fixed. Lads and lasses on det, at sea, in the desert etc. should at least be certain that they are being paid correctly and on time.
Imagine the scene - lad gets his 5 mins home via satellite from the middle of the Pacific/desert and his lady gives him 4m 59secs of hell because the joint account hasn't been topped up correctly, and she needs £xxx to pay for Junior's shoes/school trip/you name it.
The Telegraph the other day in an article about JPA referred to flying pay as "a bonus". I thought that the flying was the bonus, and the pay was, well, pay.
Imagine the scene - lad gets his 5 mins home via satellite from the middle of the Pacific/desert and his lady gives him 4m 59secs of hell because the joint account hasn't been topped up correctly, and she needs £xxx to pay for Junior's shoes/school trip/you name it.
The Telegraph the other day in an article about JPA referred to flying pay as "a bonus". I thought that the flying was the bonus, and the pay was, well, pay.
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Originally Posted by Vage Rot
Myself and several sqn mates wrote to our banks, explained the situation and arranged £5k overdrafts before our last trip to the desert as it was over the changeover to JPA!!! Better sfe than sorry!!
Lots of our people have been appraised of the right to bring a complaint before an inspecting officer, regardless of the CoC.....divisions could prove interesting after "go-live" date!
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Overdraft facility
Luckily I have a good bank, black debit card with white writing and it's phone or on-line only. When JPA hit I ensured they were aware of the potential problems and I arranged a 2K overdraft facility if I didn't get paid, luckly I didn't have to use it, however it is still there should I need it, if the system goes Pete Tong.
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I'm lucky enough to be serving overseas.
I have no access to JPA without driving 100+ miles. Imagine the excitement of engineering a day off work to submit my travel claim at nearest UK support unit.....finding that JPA is down...going for coffee...then, hoorah, JPA is working....submit claim (takes hours because of crap software)....want to claim 'UK Subsistance'....next question...which country?....England....CLAIM REJECTED...(Country not recognized)....UK?....CLAIM REJECTED.....(Country not recognized)....find drop down menu....find 'UK' on page 10....CLAIM ACCEPTED....funny old thing...I am claiming my 'UK Subsistance'........for being in the UK!....fight my way through countless other unnecessary hurdles.....submit claim.....'VIOLATION'.....there is apparently no way to refuel the hire car.....claim has to go for audit.....no problem,....go to find audit clerk....not in office.....leave photocopy of refuel receipt....and drive back to duty station.
.........Next morning,.....find message on answer phone....can I go back to audit clerk with all other paperwork pertaining to simple UK duty?
.......Plan another day off from primary duty...current estimate is 2 weeks time.
I used to submit a F1771 and forget about it.
JPA is wasting everybodies time! (At least 2 days per month.) The audit clerk is in tears due to the number of 'audits'. I am currently approx £2000 out of pocket....screwed up LOA, home to duty, no LSA, MQ charges, unable to submit legitimate claims....
I have an option in 2 years....and guess what? After 22 years of satisfied service, JPA is the final straw!
I have no access to JPA without driving 100+ miles. Imagine the excitement of engineering a day off work to submit my travel claim at nearest UK support unit.....finding that JPA is down...going for coffee...then, hoorah, JPA is working....submit claim (takes hours because of crap software)....want to claim 'UK Subsistance'....next question...which country?....England....CLAIM REJECTED...(Country not recognized)....UK?....CLAIM REJECTED.....(Country not recognized)....find drop down menu....find 'UK' on page 10....CLAIM ACCEPTED....funny old thing...I am claiming my 'UK Subsistance'........for being in the UK!....fight my way through countless other unnecessary hurdles.....submit claim.....'VIOLATION'.....there is apparently no way to refuel the hire car.....claim has to go for audit.....no problem,....go to find audit clerk....not in office.....leave photocopy of refuel receipt....and drive back to duty station.
.........Next morning,.....find message on answer phone....can I go back to audit clerk with all other paperwork pertaining to simple UK duty?
.......Plan another day off from primary duty...current estimate is 2 weeks time.
I used to submit a F1771 and forget about it.
JPA is wasting everybodies time! (At least 2 days per month.) The audit clerk is in tears due to the number of 'audits'. I am currently approx £2000 out of pocket....screwed up LOA, home to duty, no LSA, MQ charges, unable to submit legitimate claims....
I have an option in 2 years....and guess what? After 22 years of satisfied service, JPA is the final straw!
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I have an option in 2 years....and guess what? After 22 years of satisfied service, JPA is the final straw!
Hi Gang;I presume that's exactly what they want.....too many frustrated peeps banging their heads against the wall and taking their options...that will decrease the pension burden in a few years time,... A hidden cost saving???
Me...it seems to be working pay wise...HTD & LSA still cocked up...out of pocket by (probably) £150 ish....still trying to annoy those HR types with my recurrent moaning though!!!
Keep at it guys!!
Later...'J' Bloke!!
