Future Carrier (Including Costs)
Best carrier mission description I ever heard was from Norman Friedman, went something along the lines of "you don't buy a carrier to run around the ocean, you buy one to sit off a 3rd world sh1thole and threaten to burn it down...."
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Webf,
I don't believe that steel cutting will happen until 2009 at the earliest. The yards have to gear up for the work once the design has fully matured.
I don't believe that steel cutting will happen until 2009 at the earliest. The yards have to gear up for the work once the design has fully matured.
A bit uncalled for arsehole - he only asked a question. Perhaps you ought to stick to what you know best, making snide, ill-informed comments and doing nothing constructive. Like most sales execs.....
Two Johns
wbef
I think you ask a perfectly reasonable question. The answer is that, probably, the cutting of metal is not a critical path item. I would imagine there are some very long lead items that need ordering. So yes, in general terms, work will have commenced within the terms of the contract.
I think you ask a perfectly reasonable question. The answer is that, probably, the cutting of metal is not a critical path item. I would imagine there are some very long lead items that need ordering. So yes, in general terms, work will have commenced within the terms of the contract.
That's me told then.....by Royalty too!
WEBF - Govan will probably start cutting steel summer 08 as their block is the largest and has to be in Rosyths dock first. VT are busting a gut to clear their shed of T45 bits before they start doing their export corvette and OPVs for Oman and T&T. Just where they're going to get the upper blocks built with sufficient outfit content eludes me at the minute.
The main LL items are the electric motors and diesels for installation in the lower machy spaces and should already be on order as part of the MG part 1 cash release a couple of years ago. Funnily enough the only executed equipment contract appears to be for the SIFF, which one might have thought could have waited.
WEBF - Govan will probably start cutting steel summer 08 as their block is the largest and has to be in Rosyths dock first. VT are busting a gut to clear their shed of T45 bits before they start doing their export corvette and OPVs for Oman and T&T. Just where they're going to get the upper blocks built with sufficient outfit content eludes me at the minute.
The main LL items are the electric motors and diesels for installation in the lower machy spaces and should already be on order as part of the MG part 1 cash release a couple of years ago. Funnily enough the only executed equipment contract appears to be for the SIFF, which one might have thought could have waited.
Excellent skit on the RN and its carriers last night on 'Bremner, Bird and Fortune'!
"So how far is Afghanistan from the nearest ocean, Admiral?"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
"So how far is Afghanistan from the nearest ocean, Admiral?"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
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One of the reasons I've given up watching BB&F. Cheap illinformed bollocks spouted by people with a transparent political agenda dressed up as satire. 
No doubt they'll do a Typhoon skit next week asking why you need a £60m fighter to drop bombs on Afghan tribesmen?
No doubt they'll do a Typhoon skit next week asking why you need a £60m fighter to drop bombs on Afghan tribesmen?
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"So how far is Afghanistan from the nearest ocean, Admiral?"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
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SAN,
"One of the reasons I've given up watching BB&F. Cheap illinformed bollocks spouted by people with a transparent political agenda dressed up as satire.
No doubt they'll do a Typhoon skit next week asking why you need a £60m fighter to drop bombs on Afghan tribesmen? "
Yeah god forbid they have an agenda!!
How dare they illuminate the absurdities around us!!!
Who do they think they are to poke fun at the Senior Service!!!!
When the politicians are spineless and the press are too busy covering a decade old car crash story, it is sad that only people left who actually have the ability and courage to speak the truth are comedians. On both sides of the Atlantic.
If you are going to have a go at them at least come at them with more than the fact that the show is inexpensive and that it does not mirror your political slant.
Cheers
BHR
"One of the reasons I've given up watching BB&F. Cheap illinformed bollocks spouted by people with a transparent political agenda dressed up as satire.
No doubt they'll do a Typhoon skit next week asking why you need a £60m fighter to drop bombs on Afghan tribesmen? "
Yeah god forbid they have an agenda!!
How dare they illuminate the absurdities around us!!!
Who do they think they are to poke fun at the Senior Service!!!!
When the politicians are spineless and the press are too busy covering a decade old car crash story, it is sad that only people left who actually have the ability and courage to speak the truth are comedians. On both sides of the Atlantic.
If you are going to have a go at them at least come at them with more than the fact that the show is inexpensive and that it does not mirror your political slant.
Cheers
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Cheap illinformed bollocks spouted by people with a transparent political agenda dressed up as satire
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Ark Royal to pay off 2012, Illustrious 2015
According to a post elsewhere. It looks like Illustrious will be retained longest due to her "strike conversion", albeit sans aircraft most of the time. Ark Royal's pay off in 2012 if only 6 years ahead of Ocean and both operate in that roll. That means the CVF will have a secondary LPH role. Somehow I can't ever see them being used in that way.
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Perhaps it would be best for you to stick what you know and do best, cut and paste other people's opinions. BHR
Perhaps, but maybe you should stick to making controversial claims without any references.......touche! Also do you have a licence for all that fishing?
"So how far is Afghanistan from the nearest ocean, Admiral?"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
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History: 0/10
2000 miles from Afgahnistan gives a position somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean, or perhaps near Cyprus? Also I seem to remember that in late 2001 the USMC did fly AV8Bs over the 'Stan from an amphibious ship. What pure crap, about as entertaining as inserting a large cactus into one's rectum.
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It is good to know that work is proceeding. I apolegise for my absence, the was firstly due to service (carrier related) business, then when I go back my PC decided to fail. I expect to be back online sometime in the coming week.
Perhaps, but maybe you should stick to making controversial claims without any references.......touche! Also do you have a licence for all that fishing?
"So how far is Afghanistan from the nearest ocean, Admiral?"
"2000 miles"
"And the range of a Harrier is?"
"Err, about 400!"
Humour: 0/10
Geography: 0/10
History: 0/10
2000 miles from Afgahnistan gives a position somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean, or perhaps near Cyprus? Also I seem to remember that in late 2001 the USMC did fly AV8Bs over the 'Stan from an amphibious ship. What pure crap, about as entertaining as inserting a large cactus into one's rectum.
Everyone else
It is good to know that work is proceeding. I apolegise for my absence, the was firstly due to service (carrier related) business, then when I go back my PC decided to fail. I expect to be back online sometime in the coming week.
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