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Old 15th Jul 2014, 00:24
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Interview: Philip Dunne, UK Defence Equipment, Support and Technology Minister 12 Jul 2014 Andrew Chuter
"...Q. Britain launched the first of two new aircraft carriers July 4. As things stand, SDSR will decide whether the second warship goes into operation or is mothballed. What’s the department’s current view?

A. It’s really a Royal Navy decision. With the capability procured, it’s a matter of crewing and sustainment.

I know the First Sea Lord [the head of the Royal Navy, Adm. Sir George Zambellas] has expressed his preference for two carriers, as has [Defence Secretary Philip Hammond], but it will be up to the Royal Navy to find the budget to be able to crew two vessels for rotating deployment. It’s an operating expense rather than a capital expense. The issue is not to have two carriers on station at one time but to enable a continuous presence...."
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Originally Posted by Philip Dunne
...it will be up to the Royal Navy to find the budget to be able to crew two vessels for rotating deployment. It’s an operating expense rather than a capital expense. The issue is not to have two carriers on station at one time but to enable a continuous presence...."
O tempora o mores! No one, least of all the First Sea Lord, underestimates the huge challenge of finding nearly 700 individually specialised personnel (and their reliefs plus airgroup) to man the QEC out of a Royal Navy reduced to just 23,000 personnel in dark blue. It certainly puts some losses of the Second World War into perspective: 1,415 in HMS Hood; 861 in HMS Barham; 833 in HMS Royal Oak; 766 in HMS Neptune; 724 in HMS Wakeful; 722 in HMS Gloucester; 518 in HMS Courageous; 516 in HMS Avenger; 513 in HMS Repulse; 469 in HMS Galatea; 464 in HMS Charybdis; 419 in HMS Dunedin; 327 in HMS Prince of Wales; etc.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 16:56
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Interview: Philip Dunne, UK Defence Equipment, Support and Technology Minister 12 Jul 2014 Andrew Chuter
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"...Q. Britain launched the first of two new aircraft carriers July 4. As things stand, SDSR will decide whether the second warship goes into operation or is mothballed. What’s the department’s current view?

A. It’s really a Royal Navy decision. With the capability procured, it’s a matter of crewing and sustainment.

I know the First Sea Lord [the head of the Royal Navy, Adm. Sir George Zambellas] has expressed his preference for two carriers, as has [Defence Secretary Philip Hammond], but it will be up to the Royal Navy to find the budget to be able to crew two vessels for rotating deployment. It’s an operating expense rather than a capital expense. The issue is not to have two carriers on station at one time but to enable a continuous presence...."
Interview: Philip Dunne | Defense News | defensenews.com
So what the Defence Secretary is saying is that if the RN can afford the crews from their current resources then they are free to have both carriers but HMG isn't going to increase the defence budget to suit.
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Pretty much, but note he is Min DEST, and thus "operating" doesn't come his purview (or budget), thus doesn't give a ****. He is repeating a line taken by CDM for the last year or so.

I'd be more concerned if MinAF or SoS Defence was saying this.

In sum, it's a game of bluff: if SoS wants all the RN's capability, he has to pay for it, Levene devolution or not.....
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 08:43
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At last....

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Old 17th Jul 2014, 11:02
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That is one butt-ugly ship.
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Endorsed. It looks like its predecessors, but after injection of a massive dose of steroids.

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Not the stealth version to match the aircraft then........
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 11:38
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great
In sum, it's a game of bluff: if SoS wants all the RN's capability, he has to pay for it, Levene devolution or not.....
Ministers decide what capabilities the UK should have, and 1SL/CGS/CAS say what is needed (eg keeping a ship in service longer than planned) to achieve those desired capabilities?

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https://twitter.com/QEClassCarriers/media

More pics. Hoofing.

And if you want a really ugly ship.....

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Guess the Pig and Tape is under that ramp then?

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Old 17th Jul 2014, 16:26
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It does look like it was designed by Lego utilising existing bricks.
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Paint job does not help, seems to highlight the "add on" nature of the ski jump more than necessary. And it's blunt.

How much air resistance is that to push around after they designed the bow to minimise drag?

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Looks like a Crocodile with that "sharp end" paint job
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lol at least it floated you never know for sure.
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Just an Aside. The advanced Ford-class carriers have a larger... | AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
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British Carrier Remains Controversial 18 Jul 2014 Chris Pocock, AIN Defense Perspective
"...the ACA is striving to make the carriers as flexible as possible. They can be reconfigured from the strike role, with 12 F-35Bs embarked, to a ship that can carry 44 helicopters and deploy 1,000 soldiers in amphibious or littoral maneuver operations....

...but also an angled deck from which UAVs or UCAVs might be launched in the future....

...the MoD is studying a mixed fleet of F-35As and F-35Bs, a senior RAF officer told AIN, on condition of anonymity [crabs meddling again]...."
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 01:27
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An F-35A buy became very likely when it became clear it was seen as a Tornado replacement.
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Despite not having a probe and having a lower radius than the C?
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Must say most of QE looks impressive, but the bow is far from elegant is it? Not really important, but a shame. No matter how much they justify the savings in cost as a result, no self respecting Naval Architect can really feel proud of that bow.

Looking at the video of the overhead helicopter footage around the basin - how does it get out? It looks much too big for the double lock gates of the basin! Is there a basic set of single lock gates it will use instead, but only at a certain tide?
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