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That FRIGHT deck is H U G E 'Wokkafans' what GIANTS be the Jack Tars!
"...a Merlin Mk2 from 820 NAS the “Flying Fish” will fly the first aircraft to land onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth..."
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and...-820-814-ocean
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and...-820-814-ocean
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Why not help education? In the hope of promoting a STEM agenda....
AGARD 509 (1991) - Aircraft Ship Operations
Warning: May make your brain hurt.
When I was at School - I remember walking into the PE teachers' office (the male one was also head of year or something) and seeing some sort of Royal Navy sponsored/produced stuff. Could a similar thing have spiced up Maths lessons instead of the ****e Kent Mathematics Project?
Not much hard Maths here, but still of interest and educational value: F-35B/CVF stuff
Or maybe some project work - such as the experiment spoken of here?
AGARD 509 (1991) - Aircraft Ship Operations
Warning: May make your brain hurt.
When I was at School - I remember walking into the PE teachers' office (the male one was also head of year or something) and seeing some sort of Royal Navy sponsored/produced stuff. Could a similar thing have spiced up Maths lessons instead of the ****e Kent Mathematics Project?
Not much hard Maths here, but still of interest and educational value: F-35B/CVF stuff
Or maybe some project work - such as the experiment spoken of here?
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Just found out from a Fishhead friend of mine that the latest New Carrier Trials have shown the Ship will not make full speed as the fuel lines will not allow the flow rate required and major mods needed to rectify the fuel problems,if they will be done at all up in the Wicked Witches Scottie Land.Apparently the whole build project has been a nightmare with modules not mating up correctly,let alone a Phalanx mounting plate not even squaring up on a dry run fit with the correct PCD bolt holes on the deck.The Unions have complete control,with the poor RN contingent looking on is dismay.
With respect, I think the many accounts of things heard from a mate or someone allegedly with a relative working on the ship need to be treated with a dash of caution. I don't doubt there have been plenty of niggles on a project of this vast scale, and there will doubtless be more as the trials proceed; but (for example) tracking data of the sea trials shows QE achieving over 26 kt for a period of at least 15 mins on a couple of occasions (bearing in mind these are early days to be doing high speed trials), and that is for a ship with a design speed of 25 kt.
And i have heard from good mates on the ship that all is going well and other than the usual run of minor issues and niggles nothing major has cropped up. Also dont forget she is not an RN warship yet, so builders are still running the show till the trials are complete - hence blue ensign not white one at present.
Be cautious of bad news from mates, its usually hyperbole - but posting it on open forum infested with journalists not really most sensible thing you could do now is it?
Be cautious of bad news from mates, its usually hyperbole - but posting it on open forum infested with journalists not really most sensible thing you could do now is it?
Numerous media reports have claimed HMS Queen Elizabeth is vulnerable to cyber attack because she uses Windows XP, that is not the case. The earlier rumours seem to have stemmed from a comedy wallpaper on the laptop owned by an engineer that was visible on a recent documentary while the later rumours again seen to have stemmed from a background on a laptop coupled [with] the Defence Secretary not being particularly knowledgeable on naval operating systems.
“The MoD can confirm that Windows XP will not be used by any onboard system when the ship becomes operational, this also applies to HMS Prince of Wales.”
It doesn't take much. Guess which national daily published this for its gullible readership?A more factual report:
On the day after it first put to sea, the Mail also ran an article mocking the carrier for embarking on its first day of contractors sea trials without aircraft on board. You couldn't, as they say, make it up. Except that they do. If times get hard I might apply to become a defence correspondent, the bar doesn't seem to be set too high.
Mr G:-
and alienated the Royal Navy in doing so? :-
At least they've sorted out the interior design
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The Chinese are claiming their carrier is combat ready.
"China Claims Its Liaoning Aircraft Carrier Is Now "Combat Ready"
China's state media reports that the country's first aircraft carrier, Liaoning, is now "combat ready." The ship's political commissar says the ship is "preparing for actual combat at any time." Despite the tough talk, all evidence indicates that Beijing's sole flat top is likely a mere training vessel that would do very poorly in actual combat.
Liaoning was commissioned into service with the People's Liberation Army Navy in 2012. Originally built for the Soviet Navy, her unfinished hull languished in a Ukrainian shipyard after the end of the Cold War. Purchased by a PLA front company under the guise of housing a casino, the hull was towed back to China where it spent nearly a decade being refitted. The carrier was modernized in a Dalian shipyard to carry 18-20 J-15B strike fighters and up to a dozen helicopters.
Four years later, is Liaoning ready for combat? Almost certainly not. China may have trained up enough pilots to man the ship's air wing (less than half the size of its American counterpart) and operate the ship, but the world of carrier operations is an extremely complex and dangerous. The ship's crew and the embarked air wing must work seamlessly to provide a ready warship capable of tackling a variety of threats. This alone took the U.S. Navy decades to accomplish, and there is no way China could achieve a similar level of proficiency in just four years."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ioha6zGCU
"China Claims Its Liaoning Aircraft Carrier Is Now "Combat Ready"
China's state media reports that the country's first aircraft carrier, Liaoning, is now "combat ready." The ship's political commissar says the ship is "preparing for actual combat at any time." Despite the tough talk, all evidence indicates that Beijing's sole flat top is likely a mere training vessel that would do very poorly in actual combat.
Liaoning was commissioned into service with the People's Liberation Army Navy in 2012. Originally built for the Soviet Navy, her unfinished hull languished in a Ukrainian shipyard after the end of the Cold War. Purchased by a PLA front company under the guise of housing a casino, the hull was towed back to China where it spent nearly a decade being refitted. The carrier was modernized in a Dalian shipyard to carry 18-20 J-15B strike fighters and up to a dozen helicopters.
Four years later, is Liaoning ready for combat? Almost certainly not. China may have trained up enough pilots to man the ship's air wing (less than half the size of its American counterpart) and operate the ship, but the world of carrier operations is an extremely complex and dangerous. The ship's crew and the embarked air wing must work seamlessly to provide a ready warship capable of tackling a variety of threats. This alone took the U.S. Navy decades to accomplish, and there is no way China could achieve a similar level of proficiency in just four years."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ioha6zGCU
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From Janes: F-35B begins new ski-ramp testing campaign
The F-35 Lightning II Pax River Integrated Test Force has begun a second round of land-based F-35B ski-ramp testing at Naval Air Station (NAS) Patuxent River in Maryland ahead of First of Class Flight Trials (FOCFT) on the UK Royal Navy (RN) carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, scheduled for 2018.
The Phase 2 test programme began in June and is designed to expand the ski-jump envelope. This includes launches with external stores, increased crosswind conditions, and take offs at a range of different speeds.
The RN’s two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers feature a 12.5-degree ski-ramp on the bow. This serves to launch aircraft upward and forward, allowing the short take-off vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B to improve its payload radius.
As part of the F-35 system design and development phase, a land-based ski-ramp – modeled on the legacy 12-degree design used in the RN’s earlier Invincible-class carriers – has been built at NAS Patuxent River to support UK testing. A first ski-ramp launch was performed in June 2015, and by the end of June 2016 a total of 31 ski-ramp take offs had been performed to complete Phase 1 testing.
The F-35 Lightning II Pax River Integrated Test Force has begun a second round of land-based F-35B ski-ramp testing at Naval Air Station (NAS) Patuxent River in Maryland ahead of First of Class Flight Trials (FOCFT) on the UK Royal Navy (RN) carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, scheduled for 2018.
The Phase 2 test programme began in June and is designed to expand the ski-jump envelope. This includes launches with external stores, increased crosswind conditions, and take offs at a range of different speeds.
The RN’s two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers feature a 12.5-degree ski-ramp on the bow. This serves to launch aircraft upward and forward, allowing the short take-off vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B to improve its payload radius.
As part of the F-35 system design and development phase, a land-based ski-ramp – modeled on the legacy 12-degree design used in the RN’s earlier Invincible-class carriers – has been built at NAS Patuxent River to support UK testing. A first ski-ramp launch was performed in June 2015, and by the end of June 2016 a total of 31 ski-ramp take offs had been performed to complete Phase 1 testing.
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