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Ship Names
At least, as the decision appears to be that we will still have 2 CVF, they won't need to use
HMS Non(e)such.
HMS Non(e)such.
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When SRN-4 hovercraft were named the 'Mountbatten' class, someone drily commented "Hmmm. Mountbatten, eh? Lots of hot air and really rather queer. How apt!"
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Yes, but it works, does it not, just look at the record ......
You produce massive carriers, full of British ideas and designs.
You buy our Harrier, the only working VTOL fighter, and now production rights.
We produced Concorde, (France added the 'E'), Boeing dropped the SST.
We fought the Nazis, two years later owing to Japan, you entered the war and sent us the bill, we've just finished paying it.
Computers, the Jet engine, Television, The Titanic, all British innovations.
Just as well we sent over those colonists when we did, to get the upstarts going, so they could have a tea party later and not be overrun with local tribes and Buffalos.
So yes, maybe there is a touch of arrogance around, but it is one that is performance based and due, with of course a long history behind it of improving the world. I can understand the the US may have ambitions to take over this worldwide leadership, but that will take time and a lot of US effort. At least you recognise the true position, despite the opposing propaganda.
You produce massive carriers, full of British ideas and designs.
You buy our Harrier, the only working VTOL fighter, and now production rights.
We produced Concorde, (France added the 'E'), Boeing dropped the SST.
We fought the Nazis, two years later owing to Japan, you entered the war and sent us the bill, we've just finished paying it.
Computers, the Jet engine, Television, The Titanic, all British innovations.
Just as well we sent over those colonists when we did, to get the upstarts going, so they could have a tea party later and not be overrun with local tribes and Buffalos.
So yes, maybe there is a touch of arrogance around, but it is one that is performance based and due, with of course a long history behind it of improving the world. I can understand the the US may have ambitions to take over this worldwide leadership, but that will take time and a lot of US effort. At least you recognise the true position, despite the opposing propaganda.
GK - I'm not sure that I got my point across.
The US is perfectly capable of developing the F-35B on its own and a UK switch would not have a vast direct effect on the program.
On the other hand, if the B is perceived to be in trouble, or just not worth the added cost, or rendered less important by a change in the role of the Marines, then a UK withdrawal means that it can be canceled or delayed without the Pentagon getting a nastygram from Hilary Clinton, complaining that an allied government has just been made to look monumentally stupid and is now sitting there with two half-build grey cruise liners.
The US is perfectly capable of developing the F-35B on its own and a UK switch would not have a vast direct effect on the program.
On the other hand, if the B is perceived to be in trouble, or just not worth the added cost, or rendered less important by a change in the role of the Marines, then a UK withdrawal means that it can be canceled or delayed without the Pentagon getting a nastygram from Hilary Clinton, complaining that an allied government has just been made to look monumentally stupid and is now sitting there with two half-build grey cruise liners.
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Grey cruise liner u/s ...
While Britain assembles the bits of two "grey cruise liners", the one of which the French Navy is (was?) trčs fier has got a bad bout of electrical trouble when due to leave Toulon for an exercise in the Indian Ocean, and will not be taking part.
TV reports list quite a lot of unserviceabilities in the ship's history, not least the badly cast propeller, after which it had to use the props off an earlier carrier till a new one could be made - and it was said that after the C de G was finished, the works where the faulty prop was cast had been closed and the job had to be done in the States.
- NOTE This last may well just be rumour, and La Marine Nationale isn't all that good at PR. In any case, it's not something a European Navy would be all that proud of.
I hope the MoD(Navy) has got a good bronze-casting shop on the go ...
TV reports list quite a lot of unserviceabilities in the ship's history, not least the badly cast propeller, after which it had to use the props off an earlier carrier till a new one could be made - and it was said that after the C de G was finished, the works where the faulty prop was cast had been closed and the job had to be done in the States.
- NOTE This last may well just be rumour, and La Marine Nationale isn't all that good at PR. In any case, it's not something a European Navy would be all that proud of.
I hope the MoD(Navy) has got a good bronze-casting shop on the go ...
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Fascinating facts about the invention
of the television by Philo T. Farnsworth in 1927.
TELEVISION
In 1921 the 14-year-old Mormon had an idea while working on his father's Idaho farm. Mowing hay in rows, Philo realized an electron beam could scan a picture in horizontal lines, reproducing the image almost instantaneously. This would prove to be a critical breakthrough in Philo Farnsworth's invention of the television in 1927.
Earlier TV devices had been based on an 1884 invention called the scanning disk, patented by Paul Nipkow. Riddled with holes, the large disk spun in front of an object while a photoelectric cell recorded changes in light. Depending on the electricity transmitted by the photoelectric cell, an array of light bulbs would glow or remain dark. Though Nipkow's mechanical system could not scan and deliver a clear, live-action image, most would-be TV inventors still hoped to perfect it.
Not Philo Farnsworth. In 1921 the 14-year-old Mormon had an idea while working on his father's Idaho farm. Mowing hay in rows, Philo realized an electron beam could scan a picture in horizontal lines, reproducing the image almost instantaneously. It would prove to be a critical breakthrough.
But young Philo was not alone. At the same time, Russian immigrant Vladimir Zworykin had also designed a camera that focused an image through a lens onto an array of photoelectric cells coating the end of a tube. The electrical image formed by the cells would be scanned line-by-line by an electron beam and transmitted to a cathode-ray tube.
Rather than an electron beam, Farnsworth's image dissector device used an "anode finger" -- a pencil-sized tube with a small aperture at the top -- to scan the picture. Magnetic coils sprayed the electrons emitted from the electrical image left to right and line by line onto the aperture, where they became electric current. Both Zworykin's and Philo's devices then transmitted the current to a cathode-ray tube, which recreated the image by scanning it onto a fluorescent surface.
Farnsworth applied for a patent for his image dissector in 1927. The development of the television system was plagued by lack of money and by challenges to Farnsworth's patent from the giant Radio Corporation of America (RCA). In 1934, the British communications company British Gaumont bought a license from Farnsworth to make systems based on his designs. In 1939, the American company RCA did the same. Both companies had been developing television systems of their own and recognized Farnsworth as a competitor. World War II interrupted the development of television. When television broadcasts became a regular occurrence after the war, Farnsworth was not involved. Instead, he devoted his time to trying to perfect the devices he had designed.
David Sarnoff, vice president of the powerful Radio Corporation of America, later hired Zworykin to ensure that RCA would control television technology. ...
Television History - Invention of Television
of the television by Philo T. Farnsworth in 1927.
TELEVISION
In 1921 the 14-year-old Mormon had an idea while working on his father's Idaho farm. Mowing hay in rows, Philo realized an electron beam could scan a picture in horizontal lines, reproducing the image almost instantaneously. This would prove to be a critical breakthrough in Philo Farnsworth's invention of the television in 1927.
Earlier TV devices had been based on an 1884 invention called the scanning disk, patented by Paul Nipkow. Riddled with holes, the large disk spun in front of an object while a photoelectric cell recorded changes in light. Depending on the electricity transmitted by the photoelectric cell, an array of light bulbs would glow or remain dark. Though Nipkow's mechanical system could not scan and deliver a clear, live-action image, most would-be TV inventors still hoped to perfect it.
Not Philo Farnsworth. In 1921 the 14-year-old Mormon had an idea while working on his father's Idaho farm. Mowing hay in rows, Philo realized an electron beam could scan a picture in horizontal lines, reproducing the image almost instantaneously. It would prove to be a critical breakthrough.
But young Philo was not alone. At the same time, Russian immigrant Vladimir Zworykin had also designed a camera that focused an image through a lens onto an array of photoelectric cells coating the end of a tube. The electrical image formed by the cells would be scanned line-by-line by an electron beam and transmitted to a cathode-ray tube.
Rather than an electron beam, Farnsworth's image dissector device used an "anode finger" -- a pencil-sized tube with a small aperture at the top -- to scan the picture. Magnetic coils sprayed the electrons emitted from the electrical image left to right and line by line onto the aperture, where they became electric current. Both Zworykin's and Philo's devices then transmitted the current to a cathode-ray tube, which recreated the image by scanning it onto a fluorescent surface.
Farnsworth applied for a patent for his image dissector in 1927. The development of the television system was plagued by lack of money and by challenges to Farnsworth's patent from the giant Radio Corporation of America (RCA). In 1934, the British communications company British Gaumont bought a license from Farnsworth to make systems based on his designs. In 1939, the American company RCA did the same. Both companies had been developing television systems of their own and recognized Farnsworth as a competitor. World War II interrupted the development of television. When television broadcasts became a regular occurrence after the war, Farnsworth was not involved. Instead, he devoted his time to trying to perfect the devices he had designed.
David Sarnoff, vice president of the powerful Radio Corporation of America, later hired Zworykin to ensure that RCA would control television technology. ...
Television History - Invention of Television
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And once again ME demonstrates his skills at cut n paste but had yet to learn how to post a shortcut.
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The History of the Jet Engine - Sir Frank Whittle - Hans Von Ohain
Dr Hans Von Ohain and Sir Frank Whittle are recognized as the co-inventors of the jet engine - Von Ohain and Whittle were working separately on the jet ...
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Dr Hans Von Ohain and Sir Frank Whittle are recognized as the co-inventors of the jet engine - Von Ohain and Whittle were working separately on the jet ...
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More cutting and pasting to spare you tiresome clicking:
Here is still more input:
If you mean Electronic Computer, it was a man called Alan Turing from Cambridge UK, who was drafted in to Bletchley park secret base where they worked at cracking the WWII enigma codes that the Germans used every day. The Germans changed their Enigma machines to a four digit code maker. However, Because what went on at Bletchley Park the computer made from thousands of valves was kept top secret up until recently. The computer, named Colossus was smashed to pieces at the end of the war. The buildings have now been restored as a tourist center.
The Collosus Mark I 1943, the world's first programmable, digital, electronic, computing devices... its follow up the Mark II was used by British codebreakers to read encrypted German Enigma codes during World War II (notably D Day)
The first computer, or "modern computer" was invented in World War II by a German engineer, Konrad Zuse in 1941 called the Z3. More Info: "I can add some authenticity to this answer. My grandfather was a rocket scientist on Werner Von Braun's team during WWII. He was the technician who actually built the computer described above. It was an analog computer designed to simulate the guidance system for the rockets. It was built in secret because the higher-ups had not given their permission for this project."
After doing some research to answer a question for a scholarship I was applying for I found that Babbage failed to build a complete machine. The most widely accepted reason for this failure is that Victorian mechanical engineering were not sufficiently developed to produce parts with sufficient precision.
It was Konrad Zuse. He invented the z1, z2, z3, z4 and other ones. The z3 was the first fully functional program-controlled electromechanical digital computer in the world-completed in 1941. Charles Babbage just made a mechanical computing machine.
"Who invented the computer?" is not a question with a simple answer. The real answer is that many inventors contributed to the history of computers and that a computer is a complex piece of machinery made up of many parts, each of which can be considered a separate invention.
The first electronic computer was invented by Bulgarian John Vincent Ansoff. He named it the Anatasoff Berry Computer, or the ABC. It was the world's first electronic digital computer and built between 1937-42 by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University. It used regenerative memory, parallel processing, binary arithmetic and split computing functions (routines) away from memory use and management.
Answers.com - Who invented the computer
Here is still more input:
If you mean Electronic Computer, it was a man called Alan Turing from Cambridge UK, who was drafted in to Bletchley park secret base where they worked at cracking the WWII enigma codes that the Germans used every day. The Germans changed their Enigma machines to a four digit code maker. However, Because what went on at Bletchley Park the computer made from thousands of valves was kept top secret up until recently. The computer, named Colossus was smashed to pieces at the end of the war. The buildings have now been restored as a tourist center.
The Collosus Mark I 1943, the world's first programmable, digital, electronic, computing devices... its follow up the Mark II was used by British codebreakers to read encrypted German Enigma codes during World War II (notably D Day)
The first computer, or "modern computer" was invented in World War II by a German engineer, Konrad Zuse in 1941 called the Z3. More Info: "I can add some authenticity to this answer. My grandfather was a rocket scientist on Werner Von Braun's team during WWII. He was the technician who actually built the computer described above. It was an analog computer designed to simulate the guidance system for the rockets. It was built in secret because the higher-ups had not given their permission for this project."
After doing some research to answer a question for a scholarship I was applying for I found that Babbage failed to build a complete machine. The most widely accepted reason for this failure is that Victorian mechanical engineering were not sufficiently developed to produce parts with sufficient precision.
It was Konrad Zuse. He invented the z1, z2, z3, z4 and other ones. The z3 was the first fully functional program-controlled electromechanical digital computer in the world-completed in 1941. Charles Babbage just made a mechanical computing machine.
"Who invented the computer?" is not a question with a simple answer. The real answer is that many inventors contributed to the history of computers and that a computer is a complex piece of machinery made up of many parts, each of which can be considered a separate invention.
The first electronic computer was invented by Bulgarian John Vincent Ansoff. He named it the Anatasoff Berry Computer, or the ABC. It was the world's first electronic digital computer and built between 1937-42 by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University. It used regenerative memory, parallel processing, binary arithmetic and split computing functions (routines) away from memory use and management.
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Now this is a fine example of taking matters a little too seriously, the response to Green Knight was made in the form of lighthearted banter, maybe any odd elements of truth may have rung a bell with you - but there is no need to take pages of screed to respond - are you now going to claim responsibility for the Titanic?.
Anyway now you appear to have upset 'Not_a_Boffin', so lets call the whole thing off, as the song goes.
Anyway now you appear to have upset 'Not_a_Boffin', so lets call the whole thing off, as the song goes.
If you're going to go black catting, it should be along the lines of "my Dads better than your Dad because he invented cold nuclear fusion.... and beer" or something like that.
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End of Ark Royal?
Seems there is a price for the go ahead for the new carriers:
BBC News - Defence review: HMS Ark Royal to be scrapped
BBC News - Defence review: HMS Ark Royal to be scrapped
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Flying from our new Carriers – The RN or the RAF Ethos.
Flying from our new Carriers ? The RN or the RAF Ethos. The Phoenix Think Tank
Flying from our new Carriers ? The RN or the RAF Ethos. The Phoenix Think Tank