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I haven't paid for my married quarter since I moved in 5 months ago. Just had the whole lot taken off me in one go this month. Thanks, (and yes, I had been saving the money in a high-interest account each month. That is not the point.)
At the secret airbase in Oxon a spreadsheet was sent round with details of all the overpayments. Not only were the details given out an infringement of peoples privacy it gave the figures and all. A quick autosum gave the total overissue at 250K! I have also heard the suggestion that they intend to recover it all in one lump next month-so much for regs. And yes I have put it in a high interest account. Apparantly we can appeal to OC PMS if we want it recovered in the normal manner! Siggest we all do so and give the blunties some work to do.
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If QRs are breached, initiate a redress, write to your MP and get the missus or a family member to contact the media with a "CSA farce unfolds in RAF" letter.
If many people are affected, then consider joint legal action.
Hopefully this farce will see the public light of day after everyone stops laughing at the clown Prescott and when Clarke finally goes.
If many people are affected, then consider joint legal action.
Hopefully this farce will see the public light of day after everyone stops laughing at the clown Prescott and when Clarke finally goes.
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From AMP yesterday:
'However, this does serve to highlight the importance of personnel taking responsibility for their personal information and informing JPAC of any apparent inaccuracies.'
Be good to get on the system to check for 'apparent inaccuracies'
'However, this does serve to highlight the importance of personnel taking responsibility for their personal information and informing JPAC of any apparent inaccuracies.'
Be good to get on the system to check for 'apparent inaccuracies'
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Finally got my pay statement yesterday. Unless I'm doing it wrong how are you supposed to check it for accuracy if the rates aren't shown?
On the up side I do like the new HTD from mile 1 concept
On the up side I do like the new HTD from mile 1 concept
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Dallas,
Try your Station Webpage 'Publications' and then JSP 752 Chapter 6.
Are you sure? Check your HTD Contribution in the Deductions column.
FW
Originally Posted by dallas
Finally got my pay statement yesterday. Unless I'm doing it wrong how are you supposed to check it for accuracy if the rates aren't shown?
On the up side I do like the new HTD from mile 1 concept
FW
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As it seems that I managed to get all the info I needed from PPrune re: JPA, here is the latest.
1. DESCRIPTION:
BACKGROUND
In response to the technical challenges...business continuity plans have been put in place for an initial period of up to 4 weeks...blah..in effect immediately.
CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION...Leave (Manual Forms), Disturbance Allowance. Individuals should complete JPA F018 and submit to Unit HR, Pay Queries (Contact JPAC EC), Emergency Contact Details (Unit HR), Changing Bank Account Details (Contact JPAC EC), Application for Early Termination (PVR) (details via BB), Employment Preferences. PMA staffs have published a letter promulgating the key principles of the interim assignment system...
FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION
...self-service element of JPA may involve the limited release of some of the functions detailed above to users...
Sorry, couldn't upload all the text, but it can be found on the BB
HTH
WRW
1. DESCRIPTION:
BACKGROUND
In response to the technical challenges...business continuity plans have been put in place for an initial period of up to 4 weeks...blah..in effect immediately.
CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION...Leave (Manual Forms), Disturbance Allowance. Individuals should complete JPA F018 and submit to Unit HR, Pay Queries (Contact JPAC EC), Emergency Contact Details (Unit HR), Changing Bank Account Details (Contact JPAC EC), Application for Early Termination (PVR) (details via BB), Employment Preferences. PMA staffs have published a letter promulgating the key principles of the interim assignment system...
FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION
...self-service element of JPA may involve the limited release of some of the functions detailed above to users...
Sorry, couldn't upload all the text, but it can be found on the BB
HTH
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Exercise in cost cutting
Norfolkandgood - I think you'll find there's been a good cut in the HDT rates compared to the old RILOR. In addition, with the HDT now being capped at 50 miles a good few of us who were originally permitted to live up to 70 miles away from unit and claim for this distance are now well out of pocket.
(Still trying to work out how we had a pay rise yet my monthly pay went down considerably though
).
I suppose we have to grateful that we do get paid for coming to work, but it does put the mockers on the "travelling v house move" decisions made by many of us on posting before JPA came in force.
(Still trying to work out how we had a pay rise yet my monthly pay went down considerably though
).I suppose we have to grateful that we do get paid for coming to work, but it does put the mockers on the "travelling v house move" decisions made by many of us on posting before JPA came in force.
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holy purple pay chits !!!
Just a thought in passing.
Anyone sussed out how come the old "blue" pay chits were sent by 2nd class mail and arrived about a week before you were paid whereas the new "purple" one are sent 1st class and arrive days after the lucky few have had their bank accounts furnished with cash ?
Anyone sussed out how come the old "blue" pay chits were sent by 2nd class mail and arrived about a week before you were paid whereas the new "purple" one are sent 1st class and arrive days after the lucky few have had their bank accounts furnished with cash ?
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Originally Posted by jpa-in
Norfolkandgood - I think you'll find there's been a good cut in the HDT rates compared to the old RILOR. In addition, with the HDT now being capped at 50 miles a good few of us who were originally permitted to live up to 70 miles away from unit and claim for this distance are now well out of pocket.
(Still trying to work out how we had a pay rise yet my monthly pay went down considerably though ).
I suppose we have to grateful that we do get paid for coming to work, but it does put the mockers on the "travelling v house move" decisions made by many of us on posting before JPA came in force.
(Still trying to work out how we had a pay rise yet my monthly pay went down considerably though
).I suppose we have to grateful that we do get paid for coming to work, but it does put the mockers on the "travelling v house move" decisions made by many of us on posting before JPA came in force.
FW
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Just having a look at one of the new JPA leave passes and it would appear that I can tick the box to get:
Time off for Dependants - If my wifes says I have to go shopping
Unpaid Leave - If I am stupid enough to want leave and not be paid for it
Career Break - If I have had enough of the RAF and fancy 6 months away
Parental Leave - Leave if my parents are coming to stay.
We have got thousands of the old F295D in the drawer which are now to be binned because JPA has reinvented the paper leave pass because as a computer system it stinks. JPA hasn't changed the way we do anything it has just changed the forms.
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Time off for Dependants - If my wifes says I have to go shopping
Unpaid Leave - If I am stupid enough to want leave and not be paid for it
Career Break - If I have had enough of the RAF and fancy 6 months away
Parental Leave - Leave if my parents are coming to stay.
We have got thousands of the old F295D in the drawer which are now to be binned because JPA has reinvented the paper leave pass because as a computer system it stinks. JPA hasn't changed the way we do anything it has just changed the forms.
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Anyone sussed out how come the old "blue" pay chits were sent by 2nd class mail and arrived about a week before you were paid whereas the new "purple" one are sent 1st class and arrive days after the lucky few have had their bank accounts furnished with cash ?
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Well, I've left the Air Force but am due my last (part) months pay this month. Miracle of miracles, I actually get some cash but with no statement, I can't confirm whether it's correct or not. (I suspect the latter) I rang my last unit, trembling as flashbacks of the vinegar strokes of a crap life come rushing back whereupon I'm told to 'log in' to check the details. A short explanation of my new improved circumstances soon became a very long explanation. Result: "We'll make a note on your file, oh hang on, you don't have a file since you've left haven't you? I'll make a handwritten note and get back to you". I can barely contain my excitement as I wait to see if anyone actually calls.
I know, I'll chase up my tax free lump sum on retirement thing that I haven't got yet. I ring Glasgow pensions 3 times, the 3rd yields a response... from the MOD operator! Hello, I'm ringing glasgow pensions etc etc. "Ah, those lines are either ringing engaged or are diverting you to me, the MOD operator; hang on, I'll try and put you through again." 40 seconds of ringing yields the same fella. " Hello again, I'm still trying to ring Glasgow?" "Yes" he replies, "I know, but I told you they ring engaged or send you back to me." " So why did you try to reconnect me then?" I'm beginning to tremble again by this stage. "That's what we've been asked to do for all the knackered numbers so we can demonstrate we have made the effort to connect you to your desired number"
I really didn't think the Air Force could get any worse but, unbelievably, it has. Never regretted my PVR for a minute but I wouldn't mind getting me cash thanks, preferably with a statement which will free me from the requirement to log in to the JPA account that I don't bl**dy well have!!!
My current company works out my claims for me, since they know what 'duties' I've been cheerfully conducting, then send me a statement of monies owed before topping up my pay with exactly the same amount. Well my goodness. The compnay admin system even sent me birthday card this year!!! Well f*ck me!!!
I know, I'll chase up my tax free lump sum on retirement thing that I haven't got yet. I ring Glasgow pensions 3 times, the 3rd yields a response... from the MOD operator! Hello, I'm ringing glasgow pensions etc etc. "Ah, those lines are either ringing engaged or are diverting you to me, the MOD operator; hang on, I'll try and put you through again." 40 seconds of ringing yields the same fella. " Hello again, I'm still trying to ring Glasgow?" "Yes" he replies, "I know, but I told you they ring engaged or send you back to me." " So why did you try to reconnect me then?" I'm beginning to tremble again by this stage. "That's what we've been asked to do for all the knackered numbers so we can demonstrate we have made the effort to connect you to your desired number"
I really didn't think the Air Force could get any worse but, unbelievably, it has. Never regretted my PVR for a minute but I wouldn't mind getting me cash thanks, preferably with a statement which will free me from the requirement to log in to the JPA account that I don't bl**dy well have!!!
My current company works out my claims for me, since they know what 'duties' I've been cheerfully conducting, then send me a statement of monies owed before topping up my pay with exactly the same amount. Well my goodness. The compnay admin system even sent me birthday card this year!!! Well f*ck me!!!
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Spent most of the day dealing with an Expense claim for a US trip (which has still to be successfully submitted) but picked up some top tips:
The Daily Subsistence rates are for lunch & dinner only. Breakfast should be on the hotac costs so don't get room only (which is standard across the US). The capped limit for B&B in the US is $160 in DC and NY but less in other cities. Advised to get CHBS or travel cell bookings in future (missing out on good company rates if visiting a contractor) as they will get B&B.
The rate (they still use the term rate despite being actuals) in the US for lunch and dinner is $52. Previously the $10 for breakfast could be used to up the daily figure but bfast should be in the room. This $52 is the top limit.
Previously you could claim £10 PIE regardless of spending it. You know can only spend PIE on a 3 min phonecall home, laundry and a newspaper. No exceptions. You do not need to keep receipts less than £5 but if audited you will have to write a letter stating it was for one of the three items. If it wasn't then its fraud. A coffee or a bottle of water should come out of the $52 'rate'. The MoD will be saving thousands alone on the PIE that it doesn't have to pay.
There is no place for hire car fuel so you have to put it in the Incidental Expenses drop down menu. This carries a £10 max limit and will incur a policy violation which means you will be audited.
If you make more than 4 claims a month you will be audited. This is an Army rule applied to all services because 'anyone making more than 4 claims a month must be a fraud.'
If you ring into the JPAC and they place a service call back to you to answer a query they have 24 hrs to get you an answer. However all they have to do is 'attempt' to call you back twice before the matter is deemed 'closed'. All to do with Performance Indicators.........
A total and utter crock
The Daily Subsistence rates are for lunch & dinner only. Breakfast should be on the hotac costs so don't get room only (which is standard across the US). The capped limit for B&B in the US is $160 in DC and NY but less in other cities. Advised to get CHBS or travel cell bookings in future (missing out on good company rates if visiting a contractor) as they will get B&B.
The rate (they still use the term rate despite being actuals) in the US for lunch and dinner is $52. Previously the $10 for breakfast could be used to up the daily figure but bfast should be in the room. This $52 is the top limit.
Previously you could claim £10 PIE regardless of spending it. You know can only spend PIE on a 3 min phonecall home, laundry and a newspaper. No exceptions. You do not need to keep receipts less than £5 but if audited you will have to write a letter stating it was for one of the three items. If it wasn't then its fraud. A coffee or a bottle of water should come out of the $52 'rate'. The MoD will be saving thousands alone on the PIE that it doesn't have to pay.
There is no place for hire car fuel so you have to put it in the Incidental Expenses drop down menu. This carries a £10 max limit and will incur a policy violation which means you will be audited.
If you make more than 4 claims a month you will be audited. This is an Army rule applied to all services because 'anyone making more than 4 claims a month must be a fraud.'
If you ring into the JPAC and they place a service call back to you to answer a query they have 24 hrs to get you an answer. However all they have to do is 'attempt' to call you back twice before the matter is deemed 'closed'. All to do with Performance Indicators.........
A total and utter crock
Looks like I got out just in time in Feb this year. They do still owe me some LSSA which they told me will be paid "soon" through JPA!! Guess I wont hold my breath.
I have raised the issues with a local newspaper who are going to look at these postings before requesting "an official comment". My contact is very reliable. The nationals use this local newspaper as a source for stories.
Should be enough ammunition to get them started.
I have raised the issues with a local newspaper who are going to look at these postings before requesting "an official comment". My contact is very reliable. The nationals use this local newspaper as a source for stories.
Should be enough ammunition to get them started.