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You're welcome Jester282. It just really gets my back up when people either speak from ignorance or just enjoy having a go at those who work bl**dy hard at helping the kids.
Whilst I am fully aware personally at the short-comings of some of those who wear the uniform for the ACO, I have to say I know a fair few officers in the RAF who also do it because it makes themselves feel important. Unfortunately it is always the minority that give the majority a bad name.
Whilst I am fully aware personally at the short-comings of some of those who wear the uniform for the ACO, I have to say I know a fair few officers in the RAF who also do it because it makes themselves feel important. Unfortunately it is always the minority that give the majority a bad name.
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Im a Regular forces pilot at the AEF near my parents and there is a VGS on the station. Considering these guys are VR(T) or civilians, they are often very rude and arrogant. It seems that if you put a VR(T) in a flight suit its like opening Pandora's Box. Even some of the visiting ATC staff are incredible, you'd think they were the Station Commander at times! However, despite not being a cadet and having flown air cadets with the AEF for a number of years I think it is a shame that a handfull of individuals have ruined my perception of what on paper is a terrific organisation.
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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion
Im a Regular forces pilot at the AEF near my parents and there is a VGS on the station. Considering these guys are VR(T) or civilians, they are often very rude and arrogant. It seems that if you put a VR(T) in a flight suit its like opening Pandora's Box. .
I find a very dissapointing that some regulars have nothing but negativity toward their cousin officers. Some of the rap I can understand, being ex reg I do get people trying to demonstrate their seniority as regards time served-all be it cadet only time. I simply let this slide and get on with my own task.
I can only hope that some of this negativity will be dispelled when you get the chance to work with the guys that are in it for all the right reasons.
I now await the incoming.
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Now to put this thread to use! I'd like to score 10 sets of 58 paten webbing for my cadets I know the stores system is sitting on tons of the stuff. In years gone it was possible to get it from the system on indefinite loan via Horsham (I think), how does one achieve such miracles these days - Helpful Stacker, where are you?
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Afternoon all!
Just stumbled across this forum whilst desperately trying to avoid actually having to finish my PGCE coursework - was actually trying to google-search the name(s) and contact phone numbers of the Station Tailors at Cranditz (if anyone has them!!) for a mate of mine who is going on his VR(T) Officers Initial Course at the weekend.
I've spent the last hour or so reading through this tread with amazement...
As a serving VR(T) officer I have worked with, and continue to work with, the regular RAF on many many occasions, and my experience is that - as many people have made the point - that there are good and bad apples in both organisations. I have also had first hand experience of actually having to use my commission "in anger" as it were, reporting a regular Airman for inappropriate behaviour with a young female cadet; the outcome of which was that he was disciplined and posted from the station in question (where he regularly came into contact with cadets). I personally took absolutely no pleasure in this, and it was very unfortunate, but also very necessary.
I have been commissioned for almost 7 years, and take very deep pride in wearing the uniform of the Royal Air Force, and holding the Queens Commission. I do my utmost to do my job, run my ATC Sqn, and carry out all associated duties with the dignity and skill that befits such a privilage. I obviously do not have 24 (28 now, I think) weeks IOT behind me, but I try to leave every regular member of the RAF that I work - or have worked with - with a positive impression of the ATC and VR(T), and try do my bit to counter some of the negative experiences they may have when coming into contact with our less professional brethern... of which there are - admittedly - unfortunately some.
I have always found that the approach of asking politiely when dealing with the regular RAF, works wonders, and very rarely results in people saying "no" unless they genuinely cannot help you. I would personally never dream of trying to "throw my weight around" on a station, because not only is it the wrong attitude, but it does not generate results. I only ask that - because I am the privilaged (that is, that I feel it is my privilage) holder of the Queens Commission - that I am treated accordingly in the same manner as a brother regular officer. The only time I would ever challenge a regular service-person junior in rank, would be if they showed disrespect for the fact that I am commissioned (because whether they like it or not, someone senior to them has made that decision!). This is a duty imbued to me by my commissioning scroll... but even then, it would take the form of a polite word - which would hopefully do the trick. Having said this, perhaps because of my approach, I have never actually had to do that.
I would hope that the majority of my fellow VR(T) officers feel, and act similarly, and would suggest that respect breeds respect. I personally have nothing but respect for my parent service, and it saddens me when - occassionally - that respect is not reciprocated.
I do what I do because the ATC made me the man I am today (sob, sniff!), and if I can help give other cadets and staff the opportunities that I enjoyed, then I will have repaid my debt to the Corps. I hope that I was selected for commissioning because my personal qualities were recognised as befitting a holder of the Queens Commission, and I cherish the privilage I have been granted. Having said this, I recognise that it is to some extent a tool which enables me to do my job, and I also recognise my limitations... and try not to "exceed my brief" as it were when in the company of my regular cousins!
Just felt the need to squeeze my two-penneth in.
Cheers!
Just stumbled across this forum whilst desperately trying to avoid actually having to finish my PGCE coursework - was actually trying to google-search the name(s) and contact phone numbers of the Station Tailors at Cranditz (if anyone has them!!) for a mate of mine who is going on his VR(T) Officers Initial Course at the weekend.
I've spent the last hour or so reading through this tread with amazement...
As a serving VR(T) officer I have worked with, and continue to work with, the regular RAF on many many occasions, and my experience is that - as many people have made the point - that there are good and bad apples in both organisations. I have also had first hand experience of actually having to use my commission "in anger" as it were, reporting a regular Airman for inappropriate behaviour with a young female cadet; the outcome of which was that he was disciplined and posted from the station in question (where he regularly came into contact with cadets). I personally took absolutely no pleasure in this, and it was very unfortunate, but also very necessary.
I have been commissioned for almost 7 years, and take very deep pride in wearing the uniform of the Royal Air Force, and holding the Queens Commission. I do my utmost to do my job, run my ATC Sqn, and carry out all associated duties with the dignity and skill that befits such a privilage. I obviously do not have 24 (28 now, I think) weeks IOT behind me, but I try to leave every regular member of the RAF that I work - or have worked with - with a positive impression of the ATC and VR(T), and try do my bit to counter some of the negative experiences they may have when coming into contact with our less professional brethern... of which there are - admittedly - unfortunately some.
I have always found that the approach of asking politiely when dealing with the regular RAF, works wonders, and very rarely results in people saying "no" unless they genuinely cannot help you. I would personally never dream of trying to "throw my weight around" on a station, because not only is it the wrong attitude, but it does not generate results. I only ask that - because I am the privilaged (that is, that I feel it is my privilage) holder of the Queens Commission - that I am treated accordingly in the same manner as a brother regular officer. The only time I would ever challenge a regular service-person junior in rank, would be if they showed disrespect for the fact that I am commissioned (because whether they like it or not, someone senior to them has made that decision!). This is a duty imbued to me by my commissioning scroll... but even then, it would take the form of a polite word - which would hopefully do the trick. Having said this, perhaps because of my approach, I have never actually had to do that.
I would hope that the majority of my fellow VR(T) officers feel, and act similarly, and would suggest that respect breeds respect. I personally have nothing but respect for my parent service, and it saddens me when - occassionally - that respect is not reciprocated.
I do what I do because the ATC made me the man I am today (sob, sniff!), and if I can help give other cadets and staff the opportunities that I enjoyed, then I will have repaid my debt to the Corps. I hope that I was selected for commissioning because my personal qualities were recognised as befitting a holder of the Queens Commission, and I cherish the privilage I have been granted. Having said this, I recognise that it is to some extent a tool which enables me to do my job, and I also recognise my limitations... and try not to "exceed my brief" as it were when in the company of my regular cousins!
Just felt the need to squeeze my two-penneth in.
Cheers!
