3% Payrise for the Armed forces
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Didn't the teachers complain bitterly last year when they only got a 3.5% pay rise?
Surely a pay rise below inflation this year for the Forces amounts to a pay cut?
totalwar - I don't think sucking up to the Government and asking for more money next time will do anyone any favours. I don't know if you've noticed, but the Forces are deployed all over the world at the moment, stretched to the limit, and the numbers are being slashed left, right and centre. Thanks very much TB!
Surely a pay rise below inflation this year for the Forces amounts to a pay cut?
totalwar - I don't think sucking up to the Government and asking for more money next time will do anyone any favours. I don't know if you've noticed, but the Forces are deployed all over the world at the moment, stretched to the limit, and the numbers are being slashed left, right and centre. Thanks very much TB!
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Crossbow(s),
I know that you hanker for an argument well put. (See justifying lowflying example ad naus...)
Right, we have received a 3% pay rise. That's great, our pay is going up. But annual pay rises are put in place to cover the rising COSTs of everything else (its called INFLATION).
Now, and I hope this is simple enough for you to understand, when the pay rise doesn't equal the increase in costs of everything else, it is effectively like taking money away.
This is why people are a little pi$$ed off right now.
Chaps, the reason that there are few recruitment and retention problems at the moment is because we have reduced the recruiting numbers and want to get rid of folk to downside the force.
What an incredibly short term view you lot have. Jesus, its like you lot are politicians going for re-election, or bloody adminers trying for your next promotions.
Or do you not think we need to recruit and retain the best people by paying them fairly. Oh no, they'll be the ones telling you that you're doing a crap job. Don't want them in rocking the boat.
Grrrr.
Turbine
I know that you hanker for an argument well put. (See justifying lowflying example ad naus...)
I fail to understand people who moan and groan when they have just received a pay rise...bizarre
Now, and I hope this is simple enough for you to understand, when the pay rise doesn't equal the increase in costs of everything else, it is effectively like taking money away.
This is why people are a little pi$$ed off right now.
Chaps, the reason that there are few recruitment and retention problems at the moment is because we have reduced the recruiting numbers and want to get rid of folk to downside the force.
What an incredibly short term view you lot have. Jesus, its like you lot are politicians going for re-election, or bloody adminers trying for your next promotions.
Or do you not think we need to recruit and retain the best people by paying them fairly. Oh no, they'll be the ones telling you that you're doing a crap job. Don't want them in rocking the boat.
Grrrr.
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The 3% is a fair pay increase and I for one will gladly accept it in the little blue pay chit.
So a pay rise of 3.0% is below the RPI ("an average measure of change in the prices of goods and services bought for the purpose of consumption by the vast majority of households in the UK" ) of 3.5%. Therefore, even with the pay rise we are worse off - and that doesn't include all the Governent stealth tax increases
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Dear Tablet_Eraser,
Thank You for opening my eyes!
.....right, yeah they are all B*****S , stealth taxes, petrol, National Insurance, Car Tax, Supermarkets, Credit card companies, rent. it all adds up. Just to give legal aid to people who have never contributed .....my god ....oh sorry..I must stop reading the Daily Mail
Thank You for opening my eyes!
.....right, yeah they are all B*****S , stealth taxes, petrol, National Insurance, Car Tax, Supermarkets, Credit card companies, rent. it all adds up. Just to give legal aid to people who have never contributed .....my god ....oh sorry..I must stop reading the Daily Mail
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Take a look at JT/SAC level 9 on the higher pay band, that may give you a clue. If you add on the sandu I was able to claim before Dec 1st 2004 then it may be just a little more (not much over 22K by the last little blue chit).
Time to start taking 4 hours to empty the crapper, just to subsidise my meagre income, or suggest those who changed the rules regarding work of an objectional nature come and change them.
Time to start taking 4 hours to empty the crapper, just to subsidise my meagre income, or suggest those who changed the rules regarding work of an objectional nature come and change them.
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Whats the problem fellas? We are all service voters (all 180, 000 of us). This is an election year. Register your votes in Prime Minister Blair's Sedgefield constituency (expected majority 25,000) and tell him what you think of this year's pay rise.
Oh no - now I have to hand myself in to the Feds for trying to unseat government
Oh no - now I have to hand myself in to the Feds for trying to unseat government
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totalwar and Scud-u-like
Please read the above again a bit more carefully and you may notice that the 'little extra in your blue chit' is in fact bu££er all after the 'little extra' on your pay reductions. My betting is that by the time the income tax, food and accn, NI mafia have all carved up their slice of the pie you'll be left with mostly the same as you had before.
And as the gov't acknowledge that the cost of living has risen (inflation is not equal to zero after all), so your purchasing power has in fact a reduced- ie a PAY CUT in real terms.
Pure a simple economic skullduggery. Bet I know what would happen if our friends in the nice shiny red trucks got such a deal. Oh that's right, military can't strike.
I like the Sedgefield registration idea myself. Robbing sh!ts. At least you expected to get robbed by the other lot!
Please read the above again a bit more carefully and you may notice that the 'little extra in your blue chit' is in fact bu££er all after the 'little extra' on your pay reductions. My betting is that by the time the income tax, food and accn, NI mafia have all carved up their slice of the pie you'll be left with mostly the same as you had before.
And as the gov't acknowledge that the cost of living has risen (inflation is not equal to zero after all), so your purchasing power has in fact a reduced- ie a PAY CUT in real terms.
Pure a simple economic skullduggery. Bet I know what would happen if our friends in the nice shiny red trucks got such a deal. Oh that's right, military can't strike.
I like the Sedgefield registration idea myself. Robbing sh!ts. At least you expected to get robbed by the other lot!
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Thanks for the tip. My reading is fine. Calculating current inflation is an inexact science. Predicting future inflation it is even more imprecise. The pay deal pretty much reflects the prevailing inflation rate. I don't think anyone living in the real world can expect a salary to do more than that.
totalwar...
Which figures do we believe (yours or those posted before)?
RPI = 2.1%
Which figures do we believe (yours or those posted before)?
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For a definitive answer on the latest inflation figures, read this:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/Links/setframe.html
Or, if you can't be ar$ed - just accept that the inflation rate is a little under 2% and likely to rise a little above 2% over the remaining financial year, therefore the 3% pay increase is ABOVE inflation and represents a real increase of approx 1%.
It ain't that much, but most of us in the private sector will only get pay rises of between 1.5% and 3.5% (depending on performance), so 3% ain't that bad.
I served for 12 years in the AAC and one thing we all accepted was that you don't join up to get rich, so if you think you're worth more...PVR and get out there to make your millions.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/Links/setframe.html
Or, if you can't be ar$ed - just accept that the inflation rate is a little under 2% and likely to rise a little above 2% over the remaining financial year, therefore the 3% pay increase is ABOVE inflation and represents a real increase of approx 1%.
It ain't that much, but most of us in the private sector will only get pay rises of between 1.5% and 3.5% (depending on performance), so 3% ain't that bad.
I served for 12 years in the AAC and one thing we all accepted was that you don't join up to get rich, so if you think you're worth more...PVR and get out there to make your millions.
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Totalwar
I suggest you read pevious posts on this thread with regards to RPI. Was it not Biggus who quoted the government stated figure of 3.5% and not the 2.1% you somehow came across. Now kindly remove your head from whatever oriface it is stuck up and get with the program, 3% is a real terms PAY CUT!!!!!
I suggest you read pevious posts on this thread with regards to RPI. Was it not Biggus who quoted the government stated figure of 3.5% and not the 2.1% you somehow came across. Now kindly remove your head from whatever oriface it is stuck up and get with the program, 3% is a real terms PAY CUT!!!!!
Lineslime,
The GOVERNMENT do not state inflation figures, that is the job of the independent Bank of England, just like interest rates. The Chancellor of the Exchequer forecasts growth and inflation, but he doesn’t state it.
Like it or lump it the agreed rate of inflation measure used for all pay settlements is the RPI and NOT the CPI.
CPI is just over 2% now and is forecast to hit 3.5% by the third quarter of the year before falling to around 1.9%.
RPI is currently 1.9% forecast to be 2.1% through this fiscal year.
The GOVERNMENT do not state inflation figures, that is the job of the independent Bank of England, just like interest rates. The Chancellor of the Exchequer forecasts growth and inflation, but he doesn’t state it.
Like it or lump it the agreed rate of inflation measure used for all pay settlements is the RPI and NOT the CPI.
CPI is just over 2% now and is forecast to hit 3.5% by the third quarter of the year before falling to around 1.9%.
RPI is currently 1.9% forecast to be 2.1% through this fiscal year.
Happytruckin,
Not according to the Bank of England.
You are however correct according to January 2005 Treasury forecast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not according to the Bank of England.
You are however correct according to January 2005 Treasury forecast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So who do we go with... pr00ne, Happytruckin, lineslime, X-QUORK, Bank of England, HM Treasury...
I'm relatively content with my 3% (I already earn loadsamoney
) but that's not the point.
I'm relatively content with my 3% (I already earn loadsamoney
) but that's not the point.