3% Payrise for the Armed forces
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This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.
As I have said - if some intrepid souls want to start such a venture, MoD can try to prevent it but will fail in the courts. If MoD paid heed to the psychological contract and duty of care and were not the mendacious and distrusted shower they are (led by that idiot BuffHoon) then such a move would not be necessary.
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If MoD paid heed to the psychological contract and duty of care and were not the mendacious and distrusted shower they are (led by that idiot BuffHoon) then such a move would not be necessary.
There is no reason for any6one to contest our rights or the welfare package...it is a good package and well worth every penny.
The Royal Navy and Royal Marines offer highly competitive salaries, and so much more than just money. The wide range of benefits and opportunities make the ‘Naval Package’ unrivalled in the employment market today. So, what do you get?
Variety of employment
Within every branch or specialisation, Service men and women can expect to change jobs every 3–4 years.
This can involve moving to a new ship, an appointment in a shore base, a headquarters or even the Ministry of Defence.
Opportunities also exist to serve with other Armed Forces in the UK and abroad.
This wide range of tasks and responsibilities will build into a unique portfolio of experience which will help you to progress your career within the Navy and Marines and later, when you choose to return to civilian life.
Job Security
In these days of short-term contracts and rapid hiring and firing, the Navy provides unparalleled stability.
The length of initial contract depends on what branch of the Naval Service you decide to join.
Opportunities exist for those who apply and are selected for longer service. In all cases it is possible to leave after an initial training period of between 2–4 years.
Training
The Navy is one of the largest training organisations in the UK, with a vast range of professional training courses ranging in length from a few days to several years.
The majority of courses are civilian accredited, allowing a seamless transfer of skills within the Service and beyond. Such accreditation varies from branch to branch but ranges from BTEC and NVQ awards to Foundation and further Degrees.
Through life learning
The Navy encourages and facilitates the personal development of its people, offering opportunities for study for GCSEs, A-levels and beyond, with excellent facilities for Information Technology training.
There is ready access to learning centres and specialist education staff in all establishments. In addition, a team of dedicated training specialists supports ships.
All Naval personnel have access to an annual education allowance.
Fitness and Sport
The Navy provides free access to high quality sports facilities in every shore establishment and in most ships.
Unrivalled opportunities exist, from inter-ship and establishment leagues to representing the Navy or even the UK at home and abroad.
Adventurous training courses could find you taking part in the Ten Tors event on Dartmoor, skiing in the Alps or even walking in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco.
Medical Benefits
Free and prompt access to full medical and dental care ashore and afloat.
Housing
Accommodation at sea is free, and living costs ashore are heavily subsidised.
There are two basic forms: Single accommodation in shore establishments or, normally close by, Family Housing for married personel.
Leave
30 days paid leave annually plus public holidays.A generous Resettlement Package, which provides up to 11 weeks (paid) leave and up to approximately £3,000 in grants, exists to assist in finding a job.
Access is free, and the longer you serve, the more benefits are available.
Pension
The Naval Pension Scheme is noncontributory,index linked and based on your final salary.
In addition, a tax-free lump sum of three times the annual rate of pension is provided.
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There is no requirement for any such venture. Why would we need such a thing and why should we be forced to pay for it? The MOD is an extremely responsible employer and they are certainly NOT mendacious nor distrusted. And Mr Hoon is clearly doing well as the SofS.
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The Naval Pension Scheme is noncontributory,index linked and based on your final salary.
The MOD is an extremely responsible employer and they are certainly NOT mendacious nor distrusted. And Mr Hoon is clearly doing well as the SofS.
In these days of short-term contracts and rapid hiring and firing, the Navy provides unparalleled stability.
30 days paid leave annually plus public holidays.A generous Resettlement Package, which provides up to 11 weeks (paid) leave and up to approximately £3,000 in grants, exists to assist in finding a job.
There are more holes in the Panglossian recruitment literature but, coming back to a point made on conditions of service earlier:
You are a member of the Royal Air Force, and you swore an oath to protect the Queen and her Government regardless of pay and conditions
Two clarifications regarding armed forces representation:
1. QRs do not actually prohibit the establishment or membership of such an organisation. The relevant QR permits the joining of trade unions for professional purposes and with certain restrictions.
2. The issue of primary or secondary legislation versus prerogative powers is clear-cut for derogations from HRA; it is less clear how this difference would apply to "lawful restrictions" mentioned earlier, which would not constitute derogation. Probably a matter for the courts to sort out.
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This statement is untrue; the pension scheme is not noncontributory
An opinion poll sometime in 2003 found that less than 20% of the public trusted the MoD
and Leave IS an entitlement and days worked conducting duty amount to a days leave so when doing one duty a month that equates to an extra 12 days a year which takes it up to 48 days a year. Not bad. Compared to my bessy oppo who works for Texaco in London who gets no ressetlement, 10 days paid leave a year and he has to pay for his medicals, dentist. he is a member of a Gym at £50 a month...
the grass is not greener fellas....just a different shade of brown.
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Yes it is. How much a month do you contribute to your pension then?
but in a survey conducted in Autumn 2004 the opinion Poll found that 75% of the public trusted the MOD. You need to remember that the previous poll was taken during GWII.
and Leave IS an entitlement and days worked conducting duty amount to a days leave so when doing one duty a month that equates to an extra 12 days a year which takes it up to 48 days a year.
The military is fine and dandy when it works but overstretch and reckless cutbacks have made things unpleasant, with no opportunity for redress. In civvy street you tend to know that when you go home at night then that's it for the day and that if you get divorced it is unlikely to be because of prolonged seperation; if you don't like your job you can change it without waiting 12 or 18 months.
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Trust me, the Armed Forces pension scheme is by legal definition NON CONTRIBUTORY.
It is true that the AFPRB reduces your annual salary by a certain percentage (Is it 7% now?) but the scheme is still non contributory in all respects.
Yes I know it's illogical but don't shoot me!
And actually in some places the grass IS a lot greener!! Well where I am anyways
It is true that the AFPRB reduces your annual salary by a certain percentage (Is it 7% now?) but the scheme is still non contributory in all respects.
Yes I know it's illogical but don't shoot me!
And actually in some places the grass IS a lot greener!! Well where I am anyways
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I'm sorry, I've got to step in and support total war here. The grass is not greener. Yes 3% is disappointing as we could all do with more money. The total package is a good one if you stay in for long enough. My wife is a Dental Nurse and the treatment I have had, would have cost thousands of pounds as a private patient. Worth a lot more than 3%. The main problem is the general cost of living, stealth taxes, cost of food, running two cars etc. Lifestyle issues. The MOD is not a bad employer, at least not from my neck of the woods. Leave for the Dark Blue is laid down quite clearly in 2SLs PFS and if the standard is not reached then it is reported direct to 2SL. This is a key document that the Light Blue do not have but should. The next time your PLT comes around ask them why you do not have a similar "contract".
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The point about the "noncontributory" pension is correct but does not change the fact that the pension is most certainly not free!
One further thought - are the arguments against the Armed Forces having a representative body not similar to such arguments as those against allowing women in the block overnight, and against allowing an "open door" desk policy, namely that the Armed Forces cannot be trusted to act responsibly? I can see no other argument and, like the examples I mention above, such an argument is patronising tosh that demeans the committment of the men and women in uniform!
One further thought - are the arguments against the Armed Forces having a representative body not similar to such arguments as those against allowing women in the block overnight, and against allowing an "open door" desk policy, namely that the Armed Forces cannot be trusted to act responsibly? I can see no other argument and, like the examples I mention above, such an argument is patronising tosh that demeans the committment of the men and women in uniform!
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I don't disagree with anything that you say, but those in charge of the Services see personnel as nothing more than servile expendables subject to military discipline. Any form of federation or association etc is viewed as mutinous, and will therefore never happen
It is as simple as it is unfair!
I don't disagree with anything that you say, but those in charge of the Services see personnel as nothing more than servile expendables subject to military discipline. Any form of federation or association etc is viewed as mutinous, and will therefore never happen
It is as simple as it is unfair!
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If it is all so bad why do you people stay for so long. Go where the grass is greener, take days off sick and not be paid (except for a generous £66.00 per week), try and get an indexed linked NON CONTRIBUTORY pension scheme, free or subsidised travel, subsidised meals, free work clothes - oh the list is endless. Yes if you really are very very good at what is wanted then the grass is greener so go on give it a try. Oh nearly forgot you wont get respect from the badges you wear, just from being the person you really are and no-one to hide behind.
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indexed linked NON CONTRIBUTORY
index linked? From age 55 and NOT before, so retiring after 22 years means your pension IS NOT index linked of the first 15 years
Non contributory? You're playing semantics here, while nothing is directly deducted from your pay it is taken into account when the pay review comes round so in effect you pay x% contributions as Gorilla pointed out.
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If it is semantics you want to play then please be careful. The index linking is paid from age 55 but backdated from the time the pension/retired pay was first awarded. So the pension is indeed indexed linked from date of retirement, it is just that you dont receive it until age 55.
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Working hard is correct. I am currently receiving my pension, which is frozen until I am 55. But each year it is index linked and goes up in value, it is just that I don't see that until I am 55!!
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Working hard is correct. I am currently receiving my pension, which is frozen until I am 55. But each year it is index linked and goes up in value, it is just that I don't see that until I am 55!!
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Total War...Total B'@ll@cks
Your 1st contribution to this discussion:
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"The 3% is a fair pay increase and I for one will gladly accept it in the little blue pay chit. Thank you TB and GH... lets have more during your next term of government"
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TW you then put a lot of work into your argument about how great it is to be in the Armed Forces, with all the enviable Terms of Service, etc, and I tend to agree with you, that its not bad.
Therefore, whatever anyone thinks about our existing Terms, the last thing that should be done is to erode it with pay increases that do not keep up with the cost of living. For example, there's absolutely no point in having 30 days leave (entitled or not) if I can't now afford to take the holiday I had 5 years ago.
Pay, and the annual raise, is supposed to maintain the status quo, not erode it.
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"The 3% is a fair pay increase and I for one will gladly accept it in the little blue pay chit. Thank you TB and GH... lets have more during your next term of government"
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TW you then put a lot of work into your argument about how great it is to be in the Armed Forces, with all the enviable Terms of Service, etc, and I tend to agree with you, that its not bad.
Therefore, whatever anyone thinks about our existing Terms, the last thing that should be done is to erode it with pay increases that do not keep up with the cost of living. For example, there's absolutely no point in having 30 days leave (entitled or not) if I can't now afford to take the holiday I had 5 years ago.
Pay, and the annual raise, is supposed to maintain the status quo, not erode it.
I can't believe you lot are grateful for the 3% rise. It is barely above inflation. Take this into consideration when you're told you're worth it by the war office.
In reality, you got about .5% pay RISE for all your efforts.....................
PATHETIC AND AN INSULT TO YOUR INTELLIGENCE.
"Pay will remain derisory, until morale improves"
In reality, you got about .5% pay RISE for all your efforts.....................
PATHETIC AND AN INSULT TO YOUR INTELLIGENCE.
"Pay will remain derisory, until morale improves"
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Of course we should be grateful. God forbid the tory party get in we may not get anything next year. The pay rise isn't compulsory, they didn't have to give us all a %3 pay rise. So I'll say thank you very much and skulk away back under my stone
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Of course we should be grateful. God forbid the tory party get in we may not get anything next year. The pay rise isn't compulsory, they didn't have to give us all a %3 pay rise. So I'll say thank you very much and skulk away back under my stone
"Will the last person left in the UK Armed Forces turn off the light when they leave"
The goodwill and selflessness of the Armed Forces is being manipulated and taken for granted on a scale never seen before by a government that consists of shameless opportunists and liars who will screw anyone over and do anything to stay in power. I believe that Bliar should be certified as he clearly has a messianic personality disorder and is the most dangerous threat to this nation we have faced in years. Witness his shameless exaggeration over the terrorist threat, and his lies over the Iraq war!
I handed my kit in for a number of reasons but it boils down to trust - the political leadership of this nation can no longer be trusted, whether it is to treat the Armed Forces fairly and with dignity or whether it is to exercise judgement in resorting to the use of military force.
The silver lining to the cloud - Bliar will be kicked out in 3 months, when Labour scrape through with a majority of 20 or so. I have no major axe to grind with the Labour party as an organisation stretching back for a century and it has been responsible over those years for some innovative and far-reaching contributions to the political life of this nation. However, the current shower are institutionally dishonest - witness the shameless vote-rigging in Birmingham - and must be dispatched at the ballot box. Labour are genuinely hated by the population in this country, as demonstrated on Question Time and Any Questions each week and at the headteachers' conference recently where Ruth Kelly was heckled in a manner not seen for years. Hopefully in May we will wake up to a representative and balanced Parliament in which a dictator can no longer use a supine majority to push through dangerous and flawed legislation on a whim.