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TotalWar,
You, Sir, are a cock of the first order. Much like your alter-ego, Crossbow.
Please do so.
16B
You, Sir, are a cock of the first order. Much like your alter-ego, Crossbow.
So I'll say thank you very much and skulk away back under my stone
16B
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16 Blades...if you are not happy with your substantial pay rise then I'll have it.
If the only reason you are in the services (if indeed you are) is for money then Im sure you could find a job elsewhere which paid more. If however, you are in the services because its by far and away the best job you have ever had...then shut it!
If the only reason you are in the services (if indeed you are) is for money then Im sure you could find a job elsewhere which paid more. If however, you are in the services because its by far and away the best job you have ever had...then shut it!
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OKOC - Is one to assume by your command of the Queen's English and rapier like thrust of reasoned argument you are:
1) In a clerical post and
2) Of the belief that all servicemen are hardworking?
1) In a clerical post and
2) Of the belief that all servicemen are hardworking?
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"Rubbish....which AF doesn't allow ladies in the block overnight. Certainly in my mess its positively encouraged."
TW,
The RAF does not allow women into a male JRs block between 0000 and 0800. Socially that is. The relatively few mixed blocks obviously have slightly different rules.
At a number of places, JRs cannot even sign a female onto camp during those hours, some even extend that to officers.
Not really "rubbish".
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"Rubbish....which AF doesn't allow ladies in the block overnight. Certainly in my mess its positively encouraged."
TW,
The RAF does not allow women into a male JRs block between 0000 and 0800. Socially that is. The relatively few mixed blocks obviously have slightly different rules.
At a number of places, JRs cannot even sign a female onto camp during those hours, some even extend that to officers.
Not really "rubbish".
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The RAF does not allow women into a male JRs block between 0000 and 0800. Socially that is. The relatively few mixed blocks obviously have slightly different rules.
At a number of places, JRs cannot even sign a female onto camp during those hours, some even extend that to officers.
At a number of places, JRs cannot even sign a female onto camp during those hours, some even extend that to officers.
I would hope that no unit continues to maintain the "old" policy, other than for communal rooms such as transit accommodation and for recruit training establishments. I'd be astonished if any camp tried to stop those not in blocks - ie SNCOs and officers - bringing ladies onto camp and even more surprised if such a policy was actually implemented successfully!
On another issue, if "productive" airmen and airwomen are actually living permanantly in communal rooms (on-Stn in the UK) in this day and age, the unit and the CO should hang their heads in shame!
JTD
Last time I did Orderly Dog at a certain FJ base in Northern Scotland, no more than 4 years ago, NOBODY was allowed to sign females in after 0100. This policy was supervised by the RAFP using CCTV under threat of "disciplinary action". So it didn't happen on most peoples' stags, despite a number of significant attempts at bribery!! Just wasn't worth the hassle.
On the other hand, it was always a laugh to see some lovestruck young buck wanting to sign in this "top doris", who'd been in the previous 2 nights with 2 different guys!!
"On another issue, if "productive" airmen and airwomen are actually living permanantly in communal rooms (on-Stn in the UK) in this day and age, the unit and the CO should hang their heads in shame!"
At an FJ unit in Norfolk, JR's find themselves in a 32 man room for up to 6 weeks on arrival (long enough methinks). Daisys and shifties all in together with the obvious implications, and Cpls in there too. Know a few people currently in there. TMS male students live in portakabins, for up to 13 weeks.
In the last 3 years we have gone back 20 years as regards accommodation in a few locations.
Last time I did Orderly Dog at a certain FJ base in Northern Scotland, no more than 4 years ago, NOBODY was allowed to sign females in after 0100. This policy was supervised by the RAFP using CCTV under threat of "disciplinary action". So it didn't happen on most peoples' stags, despite a number of significant attempts at bribery!! Just wasn't worth the hassle.
On the other hand, it was always a laugh to see some lovestruck young buck wanting to sign in this "top doris", who'd been in the previous 2 nights with 2 different guys!!
"On another issue, if "productive" airmen and airwomen are actually living permanantly in communal rooms (on-Stn in the UK) in this day and age, the unit and the CO should hang their heads in shame!"
At an FJ unit in Norfolk, JR's find themselves in a 32 man room for up to 6 weeks on arrival (long enough methinks). Daisys and shifties all in together with the obvious implications, and Cpls in there too. Know a few people currently in there. TMS male students live in portakabins, for up to 13 weeks.
In the last 3 years we have gone back 20 years as regards accommodation in a few locations.
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JG,
I would hope that the "northern FJ stn" has moved on post HRA 98! A disgraceful state of affairs - I've never had the pleasure of anything other than a brief visit and can't recall if the FQs are behind the wire, as they often are on flying stations; if so, that is clearly discriminatory.
This is a disgrace that makes a mockery of the SLAM programme. I know a certain Stn which had its SLAM programme cancelled by Strike prior to a major influx of personnel from another unit facing closure. The Strike command secretary visited on a VIP jolly but I bet that no-one had the b@lls to raise this stupid and spineless decision with the chief Strike bean-counting idiot. No-one should have to put up with this sort of situation and it will get worse as massive cuts have been made to the SLAM programme - nearly £30million has been cut, seen by yours truly in a MoD minute last summer. Some journo needs to be asking FoI questions on these accommodation issues - a few newspaper articles in the runup to the election would be welcome!
I would hope that the "northern FJ stn" has moved on post HRA 98! A disgraceful state of affairs - I've never had the pleasure of anything other than a brief visit and can't recall if the FQs are behind the wire, as they often are on flying stations; if so, that is clearly discriminatory.
At an FJ unit in Norfolk, JR's find themselves in a 32 man room for up to 6 weeks on arrival (long enough methinks).
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Total War,
Are you, or have you been previously posting under the handle 'hyd3failure' and if so why have you changed?
The headline rate of inflation for the last quarter of 2004 was 3.5%. This is the true figure of inflation, taking into account tax rises and therefore a more accurate indication of the increase in cost of living. I don't know if this includes the cost of mortgage repayments though.
The upshot is we took a paycut in real terms this year fellas.
At least the nurses got 15% over 3 years. Announced the week before the AFPRB were due to report. Rumour has it this is why our announcement was delayed by a week.
Anyway, as the even moderately financially capable of us have realised the military salary has been declining in terms of purchasing power for years. Add to this that it looks like interest rates are going to be heading up soon (after the nation is hoodwinked into voting this soul-less party back in) and taxes will be going up in their normal stealthy manner to pay for the astronomical increase in public spending.
And a note to all, we don't receive a 'final salary' pension on the current AFPS, we receive a 'Representative Salary' Pension - It basically takes the mid-point of all of one rank and hey presto that is the representative base of that rank's pension.
The new scheme will be truly final salary.
Beware - The Civil Service is about to lose their FS pension with no recompense. My wife has done 15 years and could draw it at 60. Now she will not be able to draw it until 65 and it is based on a salary at the mid-point in her career, so the loss is serious.
This is the risk of a 'non-contributary' pension - it can be changed on a whim. Grandfather rights are a nice to have.
I agree with Hyd3TotalWarFailure on one point, we love the job and that's why we do it - for our satisfaction and for our fellow service-people, but I hope he would be honest enough to admit the fun is gradually seeping out. This is the major cause of complaint amongst the Senior Rates and Officers. No Jollies, no good foreign runs ashore, higher paperwork burden, knee-jerk management schemes.
Best idea I heard recently was that every officer should have to eat the paperwork s/he creates.
Are you, or have you been previously posting under the handle 'hyd3failure' and if so why have you changed?
The headline rate of inflation for the last quarter of 2004 was 3.5%. This is the true figure of inflation, taking into account tax rises and therefore a more accurate indication of the increase in cost of living. I don't know if this includes the cost of mortgage repayments though.
The upshot is we took a paycut in real terms this year fellas.
At least the nurses got 15% over 3 years. Announced the week before the AFPRB were due to report. Rumour has it this is why our announcement was delayed by a week.
Anyway, as the even moderately financially capable of us have realised the military salary has been declining in terms of purchasing power for years. Add to this that it looks like interest rates are going to be heading up soon (after the nation is hoodwinked into voting this soul-less party back in) and taxes will be going up in their normal stealthy manner to pay for the astronomical increase in public spending.
And a note to all, we don't receive a 'final salary' pension on the current AFPS, we receive a 'Representative Salary' Pension - It basically takes the mid-point of all of one rank and hey presto that is the representative base of that rank's pension.
The new scheme will be truly final salary.
Beware - The Civil Service is about to lose their FS pension with no recompense. My wife has done 15 years and could draw it at 60. Now she will not be able to draw it until 65 and it is based on a salary at the mid-point in her career, so the loss is serious.
This is the risk of a 'non-contributary' pension - it can be changed on a whim. Grandfather rights are a nice to have.
I agree with Hyd3TotalWarFailure on one point, we love the job and that's why we do it - for our satisfaction and for our fellow service-people, but I hope he would be honest enough to admit the fun is gradually seeping out. This is the major cause of complaint amongst the Senior Rates and Officers. No Jollies, no good foreign runs ashore, higher paperwork burden, knee-jerk management schemes.
Best idea I heard recently was that every officer should have to eat the paperwork s/he creates.
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Why the Journos? There is absolutely no reason why you should not ask the question; you have exactly the same rights as any member of the public. Your answer should then be published here:
FOI Releases
where I am sure the Journos will read it.
As for the line about a certain FJ Base in Norfolk, I presume this situation has been eased by the move of the other group of people to which you refer, to Portakabin city (AKA TSLA AKA Camp X-Ray) Oop North? Or are you talking about Marham?
BA
Why the Journos? There is absolutely no reason why you should not ask the question; you have exactly the same rights as any member of the public. Your answer should then be published here:
FOI Releases
where I am sure the Journos will read it.
As for the line about a certain FJ Base in Norfolk, I presume this situation has been eased by the move of the other group of people to which you refer, to Portakabin city (AKA TSLA AKA Camp X-Ray) Oop North? Or are you talking about Marham?
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Block...?
Mess...? In my service the "Mess" is actually called the wardroom and the place we live is called the Block... here in Somerset our wardroom has 3 blocks...all named after famous Naval aircraft/ships AND starting with a letter of the compass...for instance... Wessex block is the westerly one. Eagle block is the Easterly one and can anyone guess which block is the southerly one????
And in my wardoom it is positively encouraged to allow girlfriends/wives boyfriends etc into the wardroom for overnight / weekend visits. A friend of mine lived in the wardroom with his girlfriend for 6 months.
Maybe the RAF should bring itself into the 21st Century.
Mess...? In my service the "Mess" is actually called the wardroom and the place we live is called the Block... here in Somerset our wardroom has 3 blocks...all named after famous Naval aircraft/ships AND starting with a letter of the compass...for instance... Wessex block is the westerly one. Eagle block is the Easterly one and can anyone guess which block is the southerly one????
And in my wardoom it is positively encouraged to allow girlfriends/wives boyfriends etc into the wardroom for overnight / weekend visits. A friend of mine lived in the wardroom with his girlfriend for 6 months.
Maybe the RAF should bring itself into the 21st Century.
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Why the Journos? There is absolutely no reason why you should not ask the question; you have exactly the same rights as any member of the public.
Why the Journos? There is absolutely no reason why you should not ask the question; you have exactly the same rights as any member of the public.
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Are you referring to the 10% raise over 3 years, effective from 2003 which has been delayed for some (3.225% this year which in real terms = pay cut). If this 15% over three years is to be believed then please tell me when it is effective from so I can tell Mrs Slime.
Are you referring to the 10% raise over 3 years, effective from 2003 which has been delayed for some (3.225% this year which in real terms = pay cut). If this 15% over three years is to be believed then please tell me when it is effective from so I can tell Mrs Slime.
