Petition for the abolition of Crossbows
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Petition for the abolition of Crossbows
I am not normally one to rise to comments on this forum. I like to keep an eye on it though as there are often some useful and amusing threads. I am, however, rather pi&&ed off to be having to read some of the drivel being written on these threads. Who is this Bugger Crossbow? He is plainly not of an aviation background by his own (unintentional) admission.
The last time I looked at this forum it was for Professional aircrew in the military environment. Why on Earth should we be listening to the New Labour election Supremo?!
Anyone care to join my unofficial petition to remove this stain from PPRuNe?
Thoughts most welcome!
Rant over, proceeding directly to my box.
RA
The last time I looked at this forum it was for Professional aircrew in the military environment. Why on Earth should we be listening to the New Labour election Supremo?!
Anyone care to join my unofficial petition to remove this stain from PPRuNe?
Thoughts most welcome!
Rant over, proceeding directly to my box.
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Timing is everything...OR NOTHING!
Well said LC and RA,
It deeply saddens me that there are still people out there who seem intent on baiting or getting a rise out of others at a time when there are undoubtedly more important items on the agenda.
It verges on being disrespectful at times. Just stop and think about it before you post! I am sure they know who they are, and completely understand what I am saying. If you don't, there is an OFF button on that box in front of you! Use it!
This is not just aimed at xbow, however, I am sure a shot will come back across the bow! Ducking now.
I do normally just read and observe, however, recent postings have stirred me into action also.
It deeply saddens me that there are still people out there who seem intent on baiting or getting a rise out of others at a time when there are undoubtedly more important items on the agenda.
It verges on being disrespectful at times. Just stop and think about it before you post! I am sure they know who they are, and completely understand what I am saying. If you don't, there is an OFF button on that box in front of you! Use it!
This is not just aimed at xbow, however, I am sure a shot will come back across the bow! Ducking now.
I do normally just read and observe, however, recent postings have stirred me into action also.
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I have just read through a list of crossbow's posts. It appears that his only bent here is to derise and belittle those who are not 'on' his message. None of his posts contain anything of any substance.
However, as one who often rants, and posts on controversial subjects, I cannot condone his 'removal' from the boards. I am always advocating free speech, and I must hold myself to my own standards for once. I have been on the recieving end of the thought police in here, and nothing annoys me more than being silenced by another who thinks my views should not be allowed to 'poison' the 'purity' of their politics.
This is one of the few places left where we have some degree of free speech. As annoying and distateful as this chaps posts are, we should not sink to his level and that of his Improved New Labour masters and seek to censure him because we disagree.
Crossbow:
Please take heed, you have offended a great many people in here. None of my defence of your right to expression, however, changes the fact that you are a 24-carat tw@t.
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However, as one who often rants, and posts on controversial subjects, I cannot condone his 'removal' from the boards. I am always advocating free speech, and I must hold myself to my own standards for once. I have been on the recieving end of the thought police in here, and nothing annoys me more than being silenced by another who thinks my views should not be allowed to 'poison' the 'purity' of their politics.
This is one of the few places left where we have some degree of free speech. As annoying and distateful as this chaps posts are, we should not sink to his level and that of his Improved New Labour masters and seek to censure him because we disagree.
I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Descartes
Please take heed, you have offended a great many people in here. None of my defence of your right to expression, however, changes the fact that you are a 24-carat tw@t.
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As I am one of those to whom reference is being made perhaps I could clarify a few things. I actually do work as a pilot. I am ex mil. I have nothing to do with politics and, especially for Radar Advisory, please do not forget we pay you to defend our freedoms, including a limited right of free speech. Just don't read the boards if they upset you so much. Do you apply your "principles" in the mess/crew room/place of work/kindergarten?. Perhaps better still if you don't like it go and live somewhere that freedom does not exist.
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So what's Crossbow's main offence? Not seing the world your way? Or not being mil?
Oh I see.......So if he was supporting your views he would be welcome?
If you want the right-wing bigot's forum I'd suggest the Daily Mail as a good starting point
his Improved New Labour masters
If you want the right-wing bigot's forum I'd suggest the Daily Mail as a good starting point
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Freedom of Expression
Perhaps I have a different PPrune home page, but the Military thread isn't exclusiely for aircrew. Let's drop the 'no stick, no vote' attitude that has stultified RAF senior management for too many years. I, too, have been criticised because of my liberal progressive viewpoint which has been dismissed by some crew room Queens on the basis that I am a student. I also have 20 years' Commissioned Service. PPrune threads would be very very dull without controversial postings; challenge orthodoxy, I say!
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Er. Isn't this the 'Military Aircrew' forum?
I don't want to silence anyone, even though several on here do get on my nerves with their antagonistic posts. However I do wish the threads woulds stay closer to the object of this board - there's plenty of other places for totally off topic posting!
I don't want to silence anyone, even though several on here do get on my nerves with their antagonistic posts. However I do wish the threads woulds stay closer to the object of this board - there's plenty of other places for totally off topic posting!
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Yes, it's the Military Aircrew forum, but if you read the blurb on the front page to the forums, you will see that it is designed for:
We also get a lot of past and potential military aviators and people who are interested in military aviation in general. Just because it is the Military Aircrew forum doesn't mean that only military aircrew are allowed to look at it or contribute - it's on the Internet after all! By your logic, I shouldn't be allowed to look at or contribute to the forums for Flying Instructors, ATC, Flight Testing or Terms and Endearment for commercial aviators, because I'm none of those things.
Crossbow, hyd3failure et al may occasionally post stuff that others may or may not agree with....live with it! It's called free speech and, unless they contravene the PPRuNe rules, they should be allowed to carry on. Other than "4 Asso's EPs" (??) we are the only forum on PPRuNe that has no official moderator. I hope this is because Danny and the rest of the mods have realised that we are self-moderating and they just take the occasional scan through what we are saying. This is a privilege and one we should be proud of.
A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.
Crossbow, hyd3failure et al may occasionally post stuff that others may or may not agree with....live with it! It's called free speech and, unless they contravene the PPRuNe rules, they should be allowed to carry on. Other than "4 Asso's EPs" (??) we are the only forum on PPRuNe that has no official moderator. I hope this is because Danny and the rest of the mods have realised that we are self-moderating and they just take the occasional scan through what we are saying. This is a privilege and one we should be proud of.
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You are all very generous but like the man said - If you don't agree with me then form an argument better than mine. Banning me because my argument stands up better than yours isn't very grown up. So, lets have some freedom of speech. Lets stop sending me insults and swearing at me and lets have some grown up, adult arguments and discussions. 
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Just a little input.
We all disagree with one another much of the time but are in agreement some of the time. The odd thing about some posts is that we disagree all of the time.
The inference is that the person posting is trolling and always looking for the countervailing view. I may be wrong as I have not looked at all the posts of the named individuals but for most it holds true.
Maybe a little more openess behind the annonimity? I know my cover has been blown by at least 4 people not counting Louise Yeoman.
How about it then? Warton is certainly an emotive location.
We all disagree with one another much of the time but are in agreement some of the time. The odd thing about some posts is that we disagree all of the time.
The inference is that the person posting is trolling and always looking for the countervailing view. I may be wrong as I have not looked at all the posts of the named individuals but for most it holds true.
Maybe a little more openess behind the annonimity? I know my cover has been blown by at least 4 people not counting Louise Yeoman.
How about it then? Warton is certainly an emotive location.
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'an argument better than mine'.... 'grown up adult discussions?'
Crossbow- you should reread some of your posts, a few of them are far from adult and are usually designed to wind people up.
I think you're a class one tw*t but what do I know. How you have enough time at Warton to post on nearly every thread recently is beyond me.
Crossbow- you should reread some of your posts, a few of them are far from adult and are usually designed to wind people up.
I think you're a class one tw*t but what do I know. How you have enough time at Warton to post on nearly every thread recently is beyond me.
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"If you don't agree with me then form an argument better than mine"
As we saw on the "New Police Tactics M4" thread, this isn't very difficult. I agree that a healthy forum needs a broad range of opinions and debate, however to quote Monty Python, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes".
If you want to debate, then do so in a meaningful, non-polemic way. Simply making ill-informed inflammatory statements or trotting out political slogans gains nothing other than getting you flamed.
As we saw on the "New Police Tactics M4" thread, this isn't very difficult. I agree that a healthy forum needs a broad range of opinions and debate, however to quote Monty Python, "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes".
If you want to debate, then do so in a meaningful, non-polemic way. Simply making ill-informed inflammatory statements or trotting out political slogans gains nothing other than getting you flamed.
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Can't attribute this I am afraid, but a far wiser person than me once said:
"A discussion is an exchange of intelligence. An argument is an exchange of ignorance."
It seems to me that there are certain posters on these forums who are only interested in taking a contrary view, whatever the subject. Crossbow is an easy target because recent posts have defended (astonishingly IMHO) the current bunch of wasters who claim to run the country. Those of us in the Real RAF (which does not seem to include Warton) can see the actual effects of the bolleaux policies being spouted in the name of efficiency, and making us a more effective fighting force, which are actually more to do with saving money.
Now then, how do I use the 'Ignore' Tool....
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"A discussion is an exchange of intelligence. An argument is an exchange of ignorance."
It seems to me that there are certain posters on these forums who are only interested in taking a contrary view, whatever the subject. Crossbow is an easy target because recent posts have defended (astonishingly IMHO) the current bunch of wasters who claim to run the country. Those of us in the Real RAF (which does not seem to include Warton) can see the actual effects of the bolleaux policies being spouted in the name of efficiency, and making us a more effective fighting force, which are actually more to do with saving money.
Now then, how do I use the 'Ignore' Tool....
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snafu,
I'm not aircrew, I'm a military techie. I simply meant that discussions such as the one about the M4 police isn't really related to aviation, or the military.
I go elsewhere to discuss stuff not related to either...
I'm not aircrew, I'm a military techie. I simply meant that discussions such as the one about the M4 police isn't really related to aviation, or the military.
I go elsewhere to discuss stuff not related to either...
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Thats true, its not related to Aviation however there are no rules as to what we discuss here and on many threads the discussions are concerned with the Government. I do think though that the M4 thread was started as a warning to military people (whether Aircrew or not) of the potential dangers along the M4 - a road which is very popular with military people.
I agree with the principle of free speech.
I just reserve the right to state when a certain poster is posting inaccurate, misleading information (especially when it comes to auth'ing pax flights.)
That's all.
I just reserve the right to state when a certain poster is posting inaccurate, misleading information (especially when it comes to auth'ing pax flights.)
That's all.
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I, along with the majority on this board, am all in favour of a person's right to free speech.
But when a sanctimonious tit such as Crossbow chooses to exercise that right, I do have to wonder!
But when a sanctimonious tit such as Crossbow chooses to exercise that right, I do have to wonder!