Petition for the abolition of Crossbows
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sanctimonious ... Blimey no.... Ivebeen in the dwang more times than I care to remember and the last time last my flying cat for 2 weeks... !!! Didn't like that 1. No Im not santicmonious. I'm a bloomin top bloke who loves flyin' and is a chamion Uckers god...but not sanctimonious. Thanks for asking anyway.
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I also find some of Crossbow's contributions to these Forums odd at best, contentious certainly and invariably poorly presented, shallow and displaying unconvincing logic - so he must be a TP then 
Seriously, however, should his Warton location be Flt Ops and his inferrence is that he is a current aviator, then the crew room (if it survived the rebuilding) must surely be a better place for banter and the usual aircrew exchange of ideas than the place it had descended into by 2001.
Keep up the good work, old son, both these Forums and Flt Ops need input such as yours.
Seriously, however, should his Warton location be Flt Ops and his inferrence is that he is a current aviator, then the crew room (if it survived the rebuilding) must surely be a better place for banter and the usual aircrew exchange of ideas than the place it had descended into by 2001.
Keep up the good work, old son, both these Forums and Flt Ops need input such as yours.
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Just going back a few posts to Mr Working Hard. This is a plea to your better nature, but why oh why did you perpetuate the Low Flying thread with ridiculous suggestions and very obvious questions if, as you claim, you are ex mil. You are a pilot in civvy street, were you a mil pilot?? I would have thought someone who had served with her Majesty's finest would not have to ask inflammatory questions on a public forum about the very contentious issue of low flying? Maybe I am being stupid but it just doesnt add up.
I dont think we should get worked up about Crossbow, (s)he makes some valid points but also can be a little obnoxious at times, but then again cant we all? The combination of a bad day, stress etc etc can make some posts on this forum a little heated and I am sure that on reflection (as I do sometimes) we may wish to reconsider our posts.
If you are a wind up merchant crossbow you are then you are probably loving this attention so continue to add a little ray of sunshine in our lives..............
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I dont think we should get worked up about Crossbow, (s)he makes some valid points but also can be a little obnoxious at times, but then again cant we all? The combination of a bad day, stress etc etc can make some posts on this forum a little heated and I am sure that on reflection (as I do sometimes) we may wish to reconsider our posts.
If you are a wind up merchant crossbow you are then you are probably loving this attention so continue to add a little ray of sunshine in our lives..............
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No guys. Im not a wind up merchant but I do like to discuss the more contentious issues. Such as Low Flying. Why? well I am a real fan of Low flying. I love it. Its fab, great fun and its one of the true sorties where I find the more you put into the planning phase and the execution then the more you get out of the sortie. However, I have it on very good authority that we (the armed forces) will soon have the UKLFS removed. Now, I don't think thats a good decision.In fact its an awful decision. BUT its not me you have to persuade. Its mrs treehugger and her MP. Cos they are the ones knocking at the door of Buff and demanding that the RAF stop whazzing over her house at midnight and scaring the horses. Now I have had the misfortune to be the subject of a low flying complaint when the formation i was leading (apparently) disturbed and subsequently killed a horse (Thankfully I was above 2000' and had the radar and radio evidence to prove it). I have also been witness to a very good friend who was Court martialled for unauthorised Low Flying (prob his own fault but it still hurts to see yr mate go down).
And so whilst I like a good manly discussion on the affairs which affect Military aviators, I also enjoy asking the odd awkward question. One of which caused a lot of anxiety. That question still remains as there is only one guy on here who has had the guts to try and form a reply. The rest of you just rant and rave and swear at me for having the audacity to ask such a question.
And so the question remains (for you all except one guy)
Why should we low fly in the UK when our area of Operations is in the Gulf? Thats the question Mrs Treehugger and her MP are asking. So serious answers only please.
And so whilst I like a good manly discussion on the affairs which affect Military aviators, I also enjoy asking the odd awkward question. One of which caused a lot of anxiety. That question still remains as there is only one guy on here who has had the guts to try and form a reply. The rest of you just rant and rave and swear at me for having the audacity to ask such a question.
And so the question remains (for you all except one guy)
Why should we low fly in the UK when our area of Operations is in the Gulf? Thats the question Mrs Treehugger and her MP are asking. So serious answers only please.
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Now I may have given a form of qualified support to you Crossbow, but you can't go hi-jacking other people's threads (however worthwhile the LFS issue may be). Suggest you repost your last on the appropriate thread (yours as it happens)
I do agree with you, however, that we need to come up with arguments FOR the continuance of low flying training in the UK which will convince the right people.
I do agree with you, however, that we need to come up with arguments FOR the continuance of low flying training in the UK which will convince the right people.
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Unfortunatly I believe in free speech so instead of the abolition of crossbow how about the retrospectve abortion. If nobody goes for that we could also go for neutering to avoid mini crossbows entering decent society.
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Somebody please suggest exactly WHERE the entire fast-jet, rotary and SF herc fleets can TRAIN at low flying outside the UK. Then I'll give you reasons why your choice is impractical. Any takers? Crossbow?
Like being at Liverpool University before joining the RAF in 1976? That would make crossbow at least 51 years old. He implies that he is flying Typhoons out of Warton and would go back to Jaguars if the third tranche is canned. As I said before, both Pinnoccio and Walter Mitty spring to mind!
What a plonker!!!
What a plonker!!!
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Eagle 270 - brilliant link. Describes crossbow to a tee. Bit in there for PPP, to decide whether or not he agrees that crossbow is an internet troll. I'm sure Eagle 270 won't mind my repeating his link to reinforce many of our feelings about this individual. Everyone should read it:
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
crossbow - troll alert...
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
crossbow - troll alert...
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If indeed he is an internet troll, surely this post is giving him the attention, and spreading the ill-feeling, which he ultimately set out to achieve?
I suggest not continuing this thread and whenever he posts totally ignore them and don't comment on any of the points made.
(Should you be 100& true in what you say x-bow, I take it all back mate)
I suggest not continuing this thread and whenever he posts totally ignore them and don't comment on any of the points made.
(Should you be 100& true in what you say x-bow, I take it all back mate)
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You got that too huh ? Everyone knows that RAF officers of that age group are mature, experienced, debonair, skilful and far too rich to bother flying any more. Whereas Crossbow is, well, not......
Trolls are just too stupid to keep it going for long, but I have to admit some of them are fun.
You got that too huh ? Everyone knows that RAF officers of that age group are mature, experienced, debonair, skilful and far too rich to bother flying any more. Whereas Crossbow is, well, not......
Trolls are just too stupid to keep it going for long, but I have to admit some of them are fun.
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As a newcomer to posting on this site, but having read in over quite some time, I wait to be slagged off.
I may not agree with all that Crossbow goes on about but it is an open forum and he has as much right to comment as anyone else. His comments or observations may be out of phase with the majority. His posts may be contovertial or even in bad taste but he has the right to post. He does not have the right to be
(h)(r)eard.
If you are offended, just ignore it. Too often in the past an interesting thread has gone off the way resulting in the schoolboy arguments of mine is bigger, better, lower, faster, than yours.
He has the right to his opinions. Everyone else has the right to ignore them.
I may not agree with all that Crossbow goes on about but it is an open forum and he has as much right to comment as anyone else. His comments or observations may be out of phase with the majority. His posts may be contovertial or even in bad taste but he has the right to post. He does not have the right to be
(h)(r)eard.
If you are offended, just ignore it. Too often in the past an interesting thread has gone off the way resulting in the schoolboy arguments of mine is bigger, better, lower, faster, than yours.
He has the right to his opinions. Everyone else has the right to ignore them.
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The rest of you just rant and rave and swear at me for having the audacity to ask such a question.
come on people. Lets get some serious discussion going here rather than threats, intimidation and ranting and raving....so far the answer to the question - why should we low fly in the uk has been:
1. cos your a ********
2. winker
3. cos we want 2
Im not as old as that but I am over 45
anyway, if no one can come up with a reason then Im afraid we will have to wave goodbye to the UKLFS. If you cannot form a decent argument then that will be the end of it
come on people. Lets get some serious discussion going here rather than threats, intimidation and ranting and raving....so far the answer to the question - why should we low fly in the uk has been:
1. cos your a ********
2. winker
3. cos we want 2
Im not as old as that but I am over 45
anyway, if no one can come up with a reason then Im afraid we will have to wave goodbye to the UKLFS. If you cannot form a decent argument then that will be the end of it
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What, like you have any say in the matter, crossbow?
If you don't know the reason why we low fly, you are not who you claim to be, and would not understand if someone could be bothered explaining it to you.
...months, perhaps.
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If you don't know the reason why we low fly, you are not who you claim to be, and would not understand if someone could be bothered explaining it to you.
Im not as old as that but I am over 45
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So what we need here is some sort of e-Billy Goat Gruff. Not up to the job myself, but I'm sure someone can do it!
crossbow:
There's are threads for it out there (although the JHC one has lots of banter and not much reasoning) and a few people have given you good reasons for LF being necessary. You're doing a good job of Devil's Advocate though, and I'm beginning to wonder if you have a point - we in the Military know exactly why we need to low fly, but MPs aren't in the Military, and nor are the general public, so possibly we do need to explain this to them as if they're very very stupid.
None of which stops you from being a ******** or a winker if you so wish.
BCH
crossbow:
1. cos your a ********
2. winker
3. cos we want 2
2. winker
3. cos we want 2
None of which stops you from being a ******** or a winker if you so wish.
BCH