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1. At the Station Arrivals Brief last week, the Staish told the audience that he was fed up with reading what's going on at his station on Pprune.
2. Good evening Sir.
or
2(a). Good morning Staish's Adj. Tea white nun.
Okay. Select bold to indicate anger...
Next week, the Lean Teams are going to look at how we can get our aircraft serviceable more efficiently. ie with less people, low morale, half the shift on gate guard, lack of spares, less time on the ground, passengers sat in the terminal, etc.
They are going to discuss a revolutionary way to deal with a Herc returning to Lyneham. It shuts down on Bay 1, the crew are debriefed, aircraft A/F'd and refuellled. Then...wait for it...the aircraft is towed to Bay 2, where the rectifications will be carried out. Then...it is towed to Bay 3 where it it fitted with the correct role.
STOP!!!
This idea is utter bollocks!
If you are still discussing this idea at lunchtime on Day 1 then you will be the laughing stock of the RAF.
Staish, sir. This is what some of your top people are doing in your name. Under your command. No doubt timed to coincide with the New Years Honours list.
PS. This was a revolutionary idea...er...about 100 years ago, for manufacturing industry. These are not Ford Model T's. These are 40 ton transport aircraft, and the bays don't line up, and we'lll have to stow the power set 3 times, and the tug drivers are civvies who don't work for Eng Wing anyway etc etc
PPS. I am not 'resistant to change' or an 'obstacle' or even a 'weevil' (we've always done it this way)
You may think you'd be well rid of me on Tranche 2 redundancy.
You'd be wrong.
Don\'t forget to let the Inertial Nav gyros run down for 20 mins before you move the aircraft!
There, take the morning off.
Well done everyone.
2. Good evening Sir.
or
2(a). Good morning Staish's Adj. Tea white nun.
Okay. Select bold to indicate anger...
Next week, the Lean Teams are going to look at how we can get our aircraft serviceable more efficiently. ie with less people, low morale, half the shift on gate guard, lack of spares, less time on the ground, passengers sat in the terminal, etc.
They are going to discuss a revolutionary way to deal with a Herc returning to Lyneham. It shuts down on Bay 1, the crew are debriefed, aircraft A/F'd and refuellled. Then...wait for it...the aircraft is towed to Bay 2, where the rectifications will be carried out. Then...it is towed to Bay 3 where it it fitted with the correct role.
STOP!!!
This idea is utter bollocks!
If you are still discussing this idea at lunchtime on Day 1 then you will be the laughing stock of the RAF.
Staish, sir. This is what some of your top people are doing in your name. Under your command. No doubt timed to coincide with the New Years Honours list.
PS. This was a revolutionary idea...er...about 100 years ago, for manufacturing industry. These are not Ford Model T's. These are 40 ton transport aircraft, and the bays don't line up, and we'lll have to stow the power set 3 times, and the tug drivers are civvies who don't work for Eng Wing anyway etc etc
PPS. I am not 'resistant to change' or an 'obstacle' or even a 'weevil' (we've always done it this way)
You may think you'd be well rid of me on Tranche 2 redundancy.
You'd be wrong.
Don\'t forget to let the Inertial Nav gyros run down for 20 mins before you move the aircraft!
There, take the morning off.
Well done everyone.
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That must rank as one of the most barking mad ideas I think I have heard for quite some time.
What kind of halfwits come up with things like this ?
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That must rank as one of the most barking mad ideas I think I have heard for quite some time.
What kind of halfwits come up with things like this ?
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I wonder if anyone can confirm the rumor that crews are going down south to do such nice things as MCT, as serviceability at base is that poor.
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This is true, as of last Sunday.
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I wonder if anyone can confirm the rumor that crews are going down south to do such nice things as MCT, as serviceability at base is that poor.
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This is true, as of last Sunday.
You are taking the p155 surely? 16hrs flying for 30 mins MCT?
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This clever scheme was brought to you by the bearded wonder from Simpler (you don't want to know how much Simpler are making out of all this). He also brought you the "Waterspider", and many others you wouldn't believe.
According to him, an aircraft move is a one man task (driving the tug) and takes less than a minute. Actually, the first time the idea came up he told us we should TAXI the aircraft from bay to bay. He also reckons that the reason not a single airline uses this system is because "RAF Lyneham are light years ahead of any airline".
It really is all very clever.
If you haven't already, check out this link for more details:
http://www.simpler.com/case-studies/...rshipLean.html
I particularly like the final line.
According to him, an aircraft move is a one man task (driving the tug) and takes less than a minute. Actually, the first time the idea came up he told us we should TAXI the aircraft from bay to bay. He also reckons that the reason not a single airline uses this system is because "RAF Lyneham are light years ahead of any airline".
It really is all very clever.
If you haven't already, check out this link for more details:
http://www.simpler.com/case-studies/...rshipLean.html
I particularly like the final line.
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Last line is too true, but only if their airships don't want:
a. Flying to take place
b. People to remain in uniform (although ....)
c. The military of all colours and variants to partake in trust me tones' (can never get an apostophe in the rght place ..) next adventure.
etc etc.
a. Flying to take place
b. People to remain in uniform (although ....)
c. The military of all colours and variants to partake in trust me tones' (can never get an apostophe in the rght place ..) next adventure.
etc etc.
Champagne anyone...?
Oh my god.....where is that utterly horsesh*t article from? What was the brief to "Simpler" then? I'm assuming it was sack lots of people, save lots of money and it doesn't really matter if we ever get any aircraft on the line? If so, bravo! Job well done. That was a few million quid well spent. I'm no expert, but I'd rather have a happy workforce and serviceable aircraft than a happy management consultant and unserviceable aircraft. But then what would I know....
Still.....at least you've all been "encouraged and empowered" by the new system.
You could "lean" that phrase down to "sacked" though I guess....
I did like the closing line though.....surely given the roaring "success" of this system, sentiments such as those expressed in that line could be construed of sabotage or at least the encouragment of sabotage....?
Still.....at least you've all been "encouraged and empowered" by the new system.
You could "lean" that phrase down to "sacked" though I guess....
I did like the closing line though.....surely given the roaring "success" of this system, sentiments such as those expressed in that line could be construed of sabotage or at least the encouragment of sabotage....?
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re: simpler. first clue that these people dont know what the hell they are talking about is when in the first paragraph it is said that there is only one aircraft type operated from lyneham. dont even try to tell me that you can treat the k and j as one type when it comes to engineering. each has its own separate issues regarding engineering, you cannot just jump between the two. does oc eng even realise that we have j's now and that it isnt a 50 aircraft fleet of k's anymore?
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Well here we are almost 1 year down the line from the survey done for Simpler in Eng wing, and guess what the hangar is still cold, the tools are still inadequate, the infrastructure is still bad, communication is still poor and tools stilll do not match the job.. The tradesmen are not empowered or encouraged and to a man hate LEAN and everything it stands for. It has destroyed Eng Wing ( never mind we will just change the name to Forward Support Wing). We have the worse rate of S aircraft ever and the lowest morale I have ever seen. The guys are happier doing Gate guard or going to Basrah than working on HLS or FLECS. The LEAN Rapid Improvement Events are a total waste of time, the outcome is already decided by OC FSW (OBE). All the troops want to do is be able to fix aircraft 24/30 & 47/70 used to manage it. If this is speading to the rest of the RAF God help us. Can some one in power please put a stop to this madness.
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Nice to see the system (LEAN) of only working on the aircraft that are scheduled to fly the next day work so well on the day they wanted multiple frames on 30 mins readiness.
2 hours after the time stated they would be ready we received ours. Thank god there were no lives at risk.
What a complete shambles we are. We are not a business; we are here to wait until we are needed. We should be ready 24 hours a day. Maybe we should change R1 to be
Ready to move within the time it will take to get a frame tech ready.
That way if I get called to go at 3 in the morning I can go back to bed and then take my family on a few days holiday to prepare them for my imminent standown through lack of frames.
As a small note to SPHLC
Welcome back me old bithicuss
Just no more danger (you know what) OK
2 hours after the time stated they would be ready we received ours. Thank god there were no lives at risk.
What a complete shambles we are. We are not a business; we are here to wait until we are needed. We should be ready 24 hours a day. Maybe we should change R1 to be
Ready to move within the time it will take to get a frame tech ready.
That way if I get called to go at 3 in the morning I can go back to bed and then take my family on a few days holiday to prepare them for my imminent standown through lack of frames.
As a small note to SPHLC
Welcome back me old bithicuss
Just no more danger (you know what) OK
Champagne anyone...?
Can someone confirm that if an aircraft falls down after the first sortie of the day and the following 4 or so trips are then lost (spare? bwahahahahahahahaha!!!) from that line, then the stats monkeys will still claim this as 100% serviceability for the day?
I'm just confused as to how the powers that be can make such grandiose claims of serviceability when all of us know that it is worse than it has ever been. I'm not sure who we're trying to fool really....
I'm just confused as to how the powers that be can make such grandiose claims of serviceability when all of us know that it is worse than it has ever been. I'm not sure who we're trying to fool really....
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It gets worse...
Following her promotion, a certain person who doesn't get very much praise from me is posted to the DLTP at HQ STC. She will then be responsible for rolling out this garbage across the whole triservice engineering environment. The RAF will soon be a macrocosm of RAF Lyneham
...but I'll be working for a new employer with just a pension to remind me of the good old days.
Following her promotion, a certain person who doesn't get very much praise from me is posted to the DLTP at HQ STC. She will then be responsible for rolling out this garbage across the whole triservice engineering environment. The RAF will soon be a macrocosm of RAF Lyneham
...but I'll be working for a new employer with just a pension to remind me of the good old days.
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Lean is biting our ass at Waddington now as well.
Our new see off team comprises of 40 percent more manpower but now takes twice as long. Basically the five lads who would have done the see off and any crew in snags have to sit in the van and watch the new "lean" two man team do the see off on their own.
It takes the two of them twice as long to move the gse and bottles around as it did the five. However the five still have to wait in case there is a crew in snag. But if anyone waiting for snags helps the see off team it aint "lean".
What a great system. At least the new FLM's from Cosford will have something to do when they turn up.
But somewhere in the hangar is a big board proving that it saves loads of man hours and footsteps.
Leaning my arse!
Our new see off team comprises of 40 percent more manpower but now takes twice as long. Basically the five lads who would have done the see off and any crew in snags have to sit in the van and watch the new "lean" two man team do the see off on their own.
It takes the two of them twice as long to move the gse and bottles around as it did the five. However the five still have to wait in case there is a crew in snag. But if anyone waiting for snags helps the see off team it aint "lean".
What a great system. At least the new FLM's from Cosford will have something to do when they turn up.
But somewhere in the hangar is a big board proving that it saves loads of man hours and footsteps.
Leaning my arse!
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Its Thursday
Five or six skilled aircraft technicians that should really be on gate guard, have spent 4 days discussing towing aircraft around to waiting servicing teams.
So far, they have established that it will take more people, twice as long.
Bloody Marvellous.
Take Friday off. You've earnt it.
PS. On a fleet of 50 aircraft, there was ONE C130J Rigger on shift today. (Okay, a fleet of 25)
Quite Lean I suppose!
PPS. You need two people to go up a ladder.
Five or six skilled aircraft technicians that should really be on gate guard, have spent 4 days discussing towing aircraft around to waiting servicing teams.
So far, they have established that it will take more people, twice as long.
Bloody Marvellous.
Take Friday off. You've earnt it.
PS. On a fleet of 50 aircraft, there was ONE C130J Rigger on shift today. (Okay, a fleet of 25)
Quite Lean I suppose!
PPS. You need two people to go up a ladder.
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LEAN?
Here's how it goes thru' the Supply system.
R&D, S&M Sqn RAF Anywhere.
Wagon comes in, box 1 is offloaded, box 1 is unpacked, box 1 is brought on charge, box 1 is linked with paperwork, box 1 is issued/put into stock. Box 2 is offloaded etc etc. In the meanwhile the PFDS wagon (which has to go around several other units to drop off and pick up) sits waiting for the full consignment to come off. The boxes are removed in the order they are found REGARDLESS OF PRIORITY. When it was queried by (experienced) R&D staff as to why they couldn't carry on with the system of: Off load all freight, priorities on one shelf, routine on the other. Then deal with all priorities immediately followed by routine in slow time, they were told that "that's batching, we don't do batching under LEAN". Oh and LEAN dosn't recognise the concept of a multi-item box, so one box, one item, how much will that cost! No Sqn stackers as they are a "middle man" and that's not LEAN, instead you will ring the "Demands Cell" (circa 1977) and place your demand, which will then be delivered by an "enhanced" Fwd delivery, to RECTS control, as that is the only place where someone is located all the time. These guys will also be responsible for delivering to everyone else on the unit, no collects as that isn't LEAN either, can't send a techie to do astackers job. Between all this we will have to carry out guard, because they can't recruit enough of the MGS as they pay is crap and the other security people can't carry weapons so the servicemen need to do it. We will be submitting all our leave passes, claims etc thru' JPA, whilst queing up to pay extra for a meal we used to get normally (anyone been to Halton lately?) As someone stated before, I am not resistant to change, after 27 years you get used to it, but the next time I hear someone say "look at his stuff I have invented it keeps you warm and cooks food, I am a god" well I'll bat them around the heid with my new invention ............. its round and it roll's I will call it the Sqouggle!
R&D, S&M Sqn RAF Anywhere.
Wagon comes in, box 1 is offloaded, box 1 is unpacked, box 1 is brought on charge, box 1 is linked with paperwork, box 1 is issued/put into stock. Box 2 is offloaded etc etc. In the meanwhile the PFDS wagon (which has to go around several other units to drop off and pick up) sits waiting for the full consignment to come off. The boxes are removed in the order they are found REGARDLESS OF PRIORITY. When it was queried by (experienced) R&D staff as to why they couldn't carry on with the system of: Off load all freight, priorities on one shelf, routine on the other. Then deal with all priorities immediately followed by routine in slow time, they were told that "that's batching, we don't do batching under LEAN". Oh and LEAN dosn't recognise the concept of a multi-item box, so one box, one item, how much will that cost! No Sqn stackers as they are a "middle man" and that's not LEAN, instead you will ring the "Demands Cell" (circa 1977) and place your demand, which will then be delivered by an "enhanced" Fwd delivery, to RECTS control, as that is the only place where someone is located all the time. These guys will also be responsible for delivering to everyone else on the unit, no collects as that isn't LEAN either, can't send a techie to do astackers job. Between all this we will have to carry out guard, because they can't recruit enough of the MGS as they pay is crap and the other security people can't carry weapons so the servicemen need to do it. We will be submitting all our leave passes, claims etc thru' JPA, whilst queing up to pay extra for a meal we used to get normally (anyone been to Halton lately?) As someone stated before, I am not resistant to change, after 27 years you get used to it, but the next time I hear someone say "look at his stuff I have invented it keeps you warm and cooks food, I am a god" well I'll bat them around the heid with my new invention ............. its round and it roll's I will call it the Sqouggle!
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Can someone confirm that if an aircraft falls down after the first sortie of the day and the following 4 or so trips are then lost (spare? bwahahahahahahahaha!!!) from that line, then the stats monkeys will still claim this as 100% serviceability for the day
Nope, thats wrong. What they will claim is that of 100% AVAILABILITY. Id the aircraft is on the line then it is available. It doesn't need to be servicable, just available
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The morale of the groundcrew at Lyneham is now the lowest I have ever seen. Does ANYONE care? Another few weeks and all the management chain that started this disaster will have been posted, promoted and awarded, others will be left to try and pick up the the mess left behind and make it into something workable. However, the can do, will do attitude of the groundcrew has gone, the morale has gone, the team ethos has gone, the sense of belonging has gone, perhaps all forever. The attitude of people who got dicked for extra guard duty was 'good, at least I am not in work'. For most grouncrew at Lyneham it is now just a job that pays the bills. Service Ethos? don't make me laugh. SAD TIMES ME THINKS How do our flyers feel about all this? COMMENTS PLEASE.
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Flyers feel......bored and annoyed, because we're not....flying. The fact that 2 pilots recently flew 8,000 miles to MPA, just to find a serviceable 'frame to do MCT on says it all. I find it incredulous that an individual can get away with such abject vandalism in this day and age - not just get away with it, but get f****ing promoted as well!!!!!
Never mind - I have enough hours for the ATPL, and BA are getting desparate.....even the paltry sum I'd recieve on PVR would pay for the exams.....
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Never mind - I have enough hours for the ATPL, and BA are getting desparate.....even the paltry sum I'd recieve on PVR would pay for the exams.....
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