Centralised Engineering At Lyneham
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From: wilts
Don't know about centralisation having bit, but it sure bites.
Trade desks are going to reappear, in the loosest sense, in the form of combined J/K rigger/sootie desk & J/K fairy/leckie desk. It's a start I suppose.
What is going to happen when the numbers of FLMs, oops I mean AMMs, is sufficient? Are the J/Ts, SAC(T) Q Ops, etc currently on HLS going to end up on FLECS? If so will FLECS become split into 4 shifts with 24hr operating? Or will Eng Wing just disappear up it's own arse?
Trade desks are going to reappear, in the loosest sense, in the form of combined J/K rigger/sootie desk & J/K fairy/leckie desk. It's a start I suppose.
What is going to happen when the numbers of FLMs, oops I mean AMMs, is sufficient? Are the J/Ts, SAC(T) Q Ops, etc currently on HLS going to end up on FLECS? If so will FLECS become split into 4 shifts with 24hr operating? Or will Eng Wing just disappear up it's own arse?
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From: UK
LS,
So is the wheel being reinvented at Lyneham already, LS? I hope the silly sod responsible for the mess there pays for it.
Our SACs have been told that many of them will be booted off the sqn to make room for the new AMMs-the ones who haven't gained Q-OPS will be the first to go. Begs the question, where are these people going to? Can't be 2nd Line, that's going civvy.....
So is the wheel being reinvented at Lyneham already, LS? I hope the silly sod responsible for the mess there pays for it.
Our SACs have been told that many of them will be booted off the sqn to make room for the new AMMs-the ones who haven't gained Q-OPS will be the first to go. Begs the question, where are these people going to? Can't be 2nd Line, that's going civvy.....
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From: wilts
Jobza
We are currently on wheel AL3. As for the SACs they will either be shafted in a style not yet seen, sent to work in a shed somewhere or farmed off to somewhere practicing centralised maint. The silly sod responsible will no doubt be promoted and given a pat on the back for such a jolly spiffing idea, if I had my way they would be left to answer to those affected.
Nasty rumor now of proposed changes to the shifts. Does anyone really think that 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off is a good idea? If this does happen then I suppose that all beer calls will have to be held on the 3rd day.
We are currently on wheel AL3. As for the SACs they will either be shafted in a style not yet seen, sent to work in a shed somewhere or farmed off to somewhere practicing centralised maint. The silly sod responsible will no doubt be promoted and given a pat on the back for such a jolly spiffing idea, if I had my way they would be left to answer to those affected.
Nasty rumor now of proposed changes to the shifts. Does anyone really think that 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off is a good idea? If this does happen then I suppose that all beer calls will have to be held on the 3rd day.
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From: my own little world
The internal dream sheets have been released thanks to the latest RIE. The options are to work on HLS as a professional tyre kicker, doing 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off. Work on FLECS which will consist of 2 shifts working shifts of 4 on & 4 off consisting of days & nights (how this will work with 2 shifts is beyond me) or a heavy rects team working normal days (this bit sounds familiar) on rects that benifit from continuity.
Whoever came up with the new proposed shift for HLS (4d, 4o, 4n, 4o) obviously hasn't listened to public oppinion as many are against it, guess it was someone who wears a light blue shirt an works Mon-Thur 8-5, Fri 8-3ish with weekends and public holidays off. I don't suppose the days of 3,3,6 will ever return, but then again if you give it another 5 years who knows?
To add to this successful operation morale defeat, the traps in J3 have been cleaned of all poetry because the cleaner hasn't got a sense of humor.
Whoever came up with the new proposed shift for HLS (4d, 4o, 4n, 4o) obviously hasn't listened to public oppinion as many are against it, guess it was someone who wears a light blue shirt an works Mon-Thur 8-5, Fri 8-3ish with weekends and public holidays off. I don't suppose the days of 3,3,6 will ever return, but then again if you give it another 5 years who knows?
To add to this successful operation morale defeat, the traps in J3 have been cleaned of all poetry because the cleaner hasn't got a sense of humor.
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From: green fields....
DB.
To answer the question 'has OC eng ever been to Basrah', Errrr NO!
In fact no management above Flt Lt has ever been down to see how things work here, on the J side of life anyway. The other Dets in this part of the world have a minimum of the Sqn WO to fend of interfering busy bodys that this place tends to generate, but not us.
On a lighter note, talking to Aussie J engineers yesterday, they cannot believe that we have gone back to a single line running twin fleet ops after they tried it and then canned it because of the flight safety implications. Oh well.....
As far as lean goes, there have been so far in industry 6 or 7 variants of this system and every time the 'inventors' of the system try it in an engineering environment it fails, so they go away and call it something else. Lean works well in a manufacturing environment where processes can be removed saving time and money(manpower), but in an engineering environment where the work is flexible and non-routine it cannot be adapted as it removes the flexibility and skill base from that environment.........sound familiar!!!!!!
To answer the question 'has OC eng ever been to Basrah', Errrr NO!
In fact no management above Flt Lt has ever been down to see how things work here, on the J side of life anyway. The other Dets in this part of the world have a minimum of the Sqn WO to fend of interfering busy bodys that this place tends to generate, but not us.
On a lighter note, talking to Aussie J engineers yesterday, they cannot believe that we have gone back to a single line running twin fleet ops after they tried it and then canned it because of the flight safety implications. Oh well.....
As far as lean goes, there have been so far in industry 6 or 7 variants of this system and every time the 'inventors' of the system try it in an engineering environment it fails, so they go away and call it something else. Lean works well in a manufacturing environment where processes can be removed saving time and money(manpower), but in an engineering environment where the work is flexible and non-routine it cannot be adapted as it removes the flexibility and skill base from that environment.........sound familiar!!!!!!
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From: scotland
Talking of shift cycles, why not try the new shift cycle in ATC at LYE. 2 mornings, 2 afternoons, 2 nights 4 off. This means if you start the cycle on a monday you work part of the next 7 weekends. It is called WTR and is based on no shift being allowed to be longer than 8 hours. You have been warned, you will be next.
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KP
Can that pattern work with 4 shifts? If not then I don't think it will get implemented on the line, but then again centralised maint has been tried elsewhere and failed so I guess you could be right. I wait with baited breath.
On another point, is the leave policy for this shift pattern day for a day (unlike the 6 for 4 on HLS)?
Can that pattern work with 4 shifts? If not then I don't think it will get implemented on the line, but then again centralised maint has been tried elsewhere and failed so I guess you could be right. I wait with baited breath.
On another point, is the leave policy for this shift pattern day for a day (unlike the 6 for 4 on HLS)?
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1. Quite a lot
2. Er...yes you could.
The redundancy application is confidential.
So you could therefore apply on someone else's behalf. Even if your victim found out in time, the first he would know about it would be when he got a confidential letter confirming receipt of his application! Unless you intercept his mail.
Maybe its already been done and someone is going to get a shock!
I thought of this many months ago, but it is a tadge beyond a jolly prank.
2. Er...yes you could.
The redundancy application is confidential.
So you could therefore apply on someone else's behalf. Even if your victim found out in time, the first he would know about it would be when he got a confidential letter confirming receipt of his application! Unless you intercept his mail.
Maybe its already been done and someone is going to get a shock!
I thought of this many months ago, but it is a tadge beyond a jolly prank.
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From: my own little world
Any ideas what the next big change is going to be? So far I am of the understanding that those who stay on HLS will be doing the flight servicings, role changes and minor rects and FLECS will be doing the rest.
Answers on a postcard please.
Answers on a postcard please.
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From: wilts
I pitty the poor sod who has to sort out the mess she is leaving behind. Who knows they might decide to change things to, lets say, A line, B line, primary team & heavy rects. But then again we haven't operated from B site yet so watch this space.
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She is no longer OC Eng Wing. Engineering Wing ceased to exist two weeks ago.
She is, however OC Forward Support Wing.
...and Forward Suppport Wing is not to be abbreiviated to FSW because whoever's idea it was has just realised...that they are
F@cking Stupid...w...w...w...Whatever
Our cousins in the Army may like to brief us on what Forward Support really means!
Or perhaps the Station Rugby team could advise.
And you retired/retarded EngO ppruners may have an opinion.
C'mon Tranche 2
And will you dissolusioned Tranche 2 non-qualifiers stop PVR'ing as its reducing my chances.
Edited to add: If that OC FSW was an April Fool joke, then I have fallen hook, line and sinker!
She is, however OC Forward Support Wing.
...and Forward Suppport Wing is not to be abbreiviated to FSW because whoever's idea it was has just realised...that they are
F@cking Stupid...w...w...w...Whatever
Our cousins in the Army may like to brief us on what Forward Support really means!
Or perhaps the Station Rugby team could advise.
And you retired/retarded EngO ppruners may have an opinion.
C'mon Tranche 2
And will you dissolusioned Tranche 2 non-qualifiers stop PVR'ing as its reducing my chances.
Edited to add: If that OC FSW was an April Fool joke, then I have fallen hook, line and sinker!
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