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Cheers flash,
But i suppose that getting to Linton doesn;t actually guarantee at bang seat, as we are about to see with those in the holding pool about to (possibly) get chopped.
Just as an aside, what does the streaming board take into acount when they stream you?
FHT score? PNT score? IOT results...? or just the chitty from your QFI and CFI about your preformance.....
F97
But i suppose that getting to Linton doesn;t actually guarantee at bang seat, as we are about to see with those in the holding pool about to (possibly) get chopped.
Just as an aside, what does the streaming board take into acount when they stream you?
FHT score? PNT score? IOT results...? or just the chitty from your QFI and CFI about your preformance.....
F97
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You sound connected! Can't see anyone volunteering for a desk for a paltry 18 mths seniority though.
Good point, Biggus, but by the same token the guys waiting for valley are a better bet than pre- or post- EFT dudes.
I think I might take the 200k and become an Outreach Coordination Monitor for the local council. Does anyone have a copy of The Guardian Job Section.
You sound connected! Can't see anyone volunteering for a desk for a paltry 18 mths seniority though.
Good point, Biggus, but by the same token the guys waiting for valley are a better bet than pre- or post- EFT dudes.
I think I might take the 200k and become an Outreach Coordination Monitor for the local council. Does anyone have a copy of The Guardian Job Section.
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This all sounds unbelievably depressing in my view, and I just can't believe that this is all happening.
Biggus, I was especially suprised to read that you've heard rumours of multi sqns to dispand. Are you referring to Nimrod or others. I couldn't imagine them binning any of the transport fleet, I tought they were stretched enough as it is.
I'm yet to get in (if I do
) just waiting for my OASC date, and am wondering what will be left of the mighty light blue by that time.
I hope things aren't as bad is it appears.
and good luck guys!!!!!!!!!!
Biggus, I was especially suprised to read that you've heard rumours of multi sqns to dispand. Are you referring to Nimrod or others. I couldn't imagine them binning any of the transport fleet, I tought they were stretched enough as it is.
I'm yet to get in (if I do
) just waiting for my OASC date, and am wondering what will be left of the mighty light blue by that time.I hope things aren't as bad is it appears.
and good luck guys!!!!!!!!!!
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As one of those waiting for Linton I think that the reason some of the pre-AFT guys will be restreamed as opposed to those pre-BFJT is that you can't just shut down Linton for a few months because then you've also got the problem of what to do with the QFIs without studes and all of the aeroplanes sitting on the ground. This lull would then work it's way up to Valley in due course and you'd get the same problem there. Whereas there's already a large backlog for Valley so the people removed from there would be replaced by those fresh out of Linton who would then have a smaller hold. Sucks though - it's bad enough not knowing at my stage nevermind having already passed Tincans and got your wings only to be pushed aside for somebody a year behind in the system.
And it is blatently obvious that those waiting for Valley are a smaller training risk than us, but having said that I expect some of us in my position will also take a hit and be sent to pastures new before to long.
Anyway, good luck to everyone and fingers crossed.
Ant
And it is blatently obvious that those waiting for Valley are a smaller training risk than us, but having said that I expect some of us in my position will also take a hit and be sent to pastures new before to long.
Anyway, good luck to everyone and fingers crossed.
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Really feel for the stud's going through at the moment, i have my fingers crossed things work out for everyone.
Anybody have any news/info regarding CFS slots at Linton?
ie. soon to be full of ex jag drivers?
Oh...... Mach the knife,........YOU TW@T
Anybody have any news/info regarding CFS slots at Linton?
ie. soon to be full of ex jag drivers?
Oh...... Mach the knife,........YOU TW@T
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200K as in £200,000. Which really isn`t alot when you take flying pay increments, loss of pension and X years of pay. Remember this is pitched at those Pre AFT who still have a few years to do.
- Obviously sheer coincidence that it's the start of the financial year - eh what ?Champagne anyone...?
Sweet - £200K? You can have my seat and it's still warm!
I'll chuck in my flying boots as well
I'm sure this holding/restreaming/buying off happened to me and my lot about 12 years ago....or did I dream it? Must've dreamt it - can't believe the training system managers could be that hopeless. Twice.
Good luck chaps. Remember, the grass isn't actually greener on the otherside although that said, they do actually have grass there...
I'll chuck in my flying boots as well
I'm sure this holding/restreaming/buying off happened to me and my lot about 12 years ago....or did I dream it? Must've dreamt it - can't believe the training system managers could be that hopeless. Twice.
Good luck chaps. Remember, the grass isn't actually greener on the otherside although that said, they do actually have grass there...
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Don't wish to p**s on moral further - but 200k redundancy?
More likely some starker choices; re-stream, desk or PVR.
As previously mentioned it's happened before - they have you by the short and curlies and can offer pretty much anything without having to mention the c word. (That's cash!). Helos, heavies, pointy OCUs are all fairly flush.
My prediction - IPS figures are about to plummet - watch this space.
More likely some starker choices; re-stream, desk or PVR.
As previously mentioned it's happened before - they have you by the short and curlies and can offer pretty much anything without having to mention the c word. (That's cash!). Helos, heavies, pointy OCUs are all fairly flush.
My prediction - IPS figures are about to plummet - watch this space.
Once upon a time, long long ago when we had half an air force, there were fluctuations between front line needs and the output from the various FTSs dotted around the country. A bit like a surge alleviator between an energy source and a power consumer was the number of various places where people could hold, augment, do nothing, fly cadets or whatever - even a tour as a Fighter Controller or Air Trafficker whilst waiting for the next panic reaction from the front. I knew a chap who was holding at an AEF waiting for an OCU slot - he used to go back to Chivenor every few weeks for a Hunter trip or 2 to keep up to speed! After my Gnat course I held for 6 weeks at Wildenrath doing this and that before going back to do a pre-Brawdy Hunter refresher course.
But not now. Nowhere near enough holding slots, AEF jobs, etc to soak up a temporary surge. And when all the contractor FIs finally can't get their legs over the cockpit sides, who'll replace them? A dreadfully unstable, yet beancounter pleasing system has been imposed - and it could well be about to go critical....
Still 70 new aircrew jobs at Virgin Atlantic, wasn't it...."The new positions are mainly operational staff with as many as 700 cabin crew positions, 70 flight deck and 300 at Heathrow and Gatwick airport......."
Things are looking up in the civvie world. If they offer you a desk job, give 'em the finger, take redundancy and sort out your CPL/IR.......
But not now. Nowhere near enough holding slots, AEF jobs, etc to soak up a temporary surge. And when all the contractor FIs finally can't get their legs over the cockpit sides, who'll replace them? A dreadfully unstable, yet beancounter pleasing system has been imposed - and it could well be about to go critical....
Still 70 new aircrew jobs at Virgin Atlantic, wasn't it...."The new positions are mainly operational staff with as many as 700 cabin crew positions, 70 flight deck and 300 at Heathrow and Gatwick airport......."
Things are looking up in the civvie world. If they offer you a desk job, give 'em the finger, take redundancy and sort out your CPL/IR.......
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Anyone else heard the rumours of Pre AFT off to UAS/AEF to fly cadets with a waiver to the current 500 hr P1 needed ?
Has apparently been offered to 2 post Linton studes already . . .
Not sure myself, can't see it but then again, rumours and all that.
Has apparently been offered to 2 post Linton studes already . . .
Not sure myself, can't see it but then again, rumours and all that.
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Boys and girls, my heart goes out to you all. The only thing that I can offer is that for those of you who make it through this absolute disgrace, the front line is fantastic and well worth hanging on for. Try and stay focused and above all enjoy the flying!
Regards, BM.
Regards, BM.
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Flashgordon - Spot on, right on both accounts.
FFP - Nice rumour, almost believable.
Twinact - The ONLY reason to get in a rotating winged contraption is when ones dinghy is no longer comfortable, they don't fly..they are so ugly the earth repels them.
FFP - Nice rumour, almost believable.
Twinact - The ONLY reason to get in a rotating winged contraption is when ones dinghy is no longer comfortable, they don't fly..they are so ugly the earth repels them.
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What a crappy deal.
As ever the training system seems to be 180 out from front line demands.
Just stick in and it will be worth it in the end.
There is a great time to be had out of PTC if you slip through the net. Beer Monkey!!!?? Missed u in the toon last weekend
But for the time being I would be out in Icon or the Octopig ignoring the whole thing. At the end of the day theres not much you can do to influence this decision.
As ever the training system seems to be 180 out from front line demands.
Just stick in and it will be worth it in the end.
There is a great time to be had out of PTC if you slip through the net. Beer Monkey!!!?? Missed u in the toon last weekend
But for the time being I would be out in Icon or the Octopig ignoring the whole thing. At the end of the day theres not much you can do to influence this decision.
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This is truly staggering stuff, it seems astounding that rumours with these implications are even floating around. I hope things pan out well for all those potentially at risk from this disgraceful state of affairs....and if what's suggested goes through, some strong letters need to be carefully placed where a lot of people can read them!!!
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Shocking state of affairs indeed.
I cant believe the powers-that-be would consider paying people to leave when they are within their rights to tell us all to £%^*£ off! Anyone heard more about payouts?
Latest gen is that a bunch of potential melin studes have been told to mark time indefinitely to make room for FJ re-streams. Could the same be happening pre-Shawbs?
I cant believe the powers-that-be would consider paying people to leave when they are within their rights to tell us all to £%^*£ off! Anyone heard more about payouts?
Latest gen is that a bunch of potential melin studes have been told to mark time indefinitely to make room for FJ re-streams. Could the same be happening pre-Shawbs?
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Am currently waiting for my start date for BFJT, or will that be Melin/ Shawbs! Spoke to jw today asking about my start date, and he confirmed the meeting next week.
I was told that it "did not concern us"?? As in pre BFJT holding studes. Possibly the idea is that they will solve the bottleneck at the source, pre valley, and keep the Linton courses running, though only 6 per course now.
Anyhow, so far as I am aware other DE on my course have been delayed slightly from their Melin course, but only due to the late start of the King. Rumours that people were told at Fast Jet Friday to carry on ironing the blues are unfounded as yet, that is not to say that it may not happen to future courses though.
Absolutely incredible state of affairs. All the dudes that are offering their seat for the pay off, put in a good word for me!
I was told that it "did not concern us"?? As in pre BFJT holding studes. Possibly the idea is that they will solve the bottleneck at the source, pre valley, and keep the Linton courses running, though only 6 per course now.
Anyhow, so far as I am aware other DE on my course have been delayed slightly from their Melin course, but only due to the late start of the King. Rumours that people were told at Fast Jet Friday to carry on ironing the blues are unfounded as yet, that is not to say that it may not happen to future courses though.
Absolutely incredible state of affairs. All the dudes that are offering their seat for the pay off, put in a good word for me!
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Hmmmm. Much as I'd like it to be true I can't see them offering a £200k redundancy package. Now it could be argued that in the long run it would save money... lets say, for example, that a fg off or flt lt has 10 years left on a PC at around about 30 grand a year. Well that adds up to way more than 200k esp when you add in flying pay, pension costs, poss promotion, accommodation and all the rest of it. HOWEVER, as someone rightly pointed out yesterday or the day before - "they have you by the short and curlies". Anyway, such a redundancy package would suggest that the RAF is able to plan ahead in the long term which, as the current predicament seems to show, must be a fallacy!!
As far as a pay off is concerned it just might boil down to this - Does the RAF give enough of a toss about you to soften the blow of screwing up your lifelong dream?
Am I just a cynical t**t?
Actually perhaps its best for no-one to answer that....
As far as a pay off is concerned it just might boil down to this - Does the RAF give enough of a toss about you to soften the blow of screwing up your lifelong dream?
Am I just a cynical t**t?
Actually perhaps its best for no-one to answer that....