NEW C130 Variant seen in Wilts!!
Jlider
Grimweasal, the reason that the Jlider exists, is due to results of a trial.
Compared with the Klassic, the mighty J has so much more Engine HP and fuel endurance, so some bright spark decided to have a competition between the K and the J to see at what point the two aircraft have equal load shifting capability/fuel burn rate.
So first they removed one engine from the J. Surprisingly it still won, so they took off another. After many runs in various coditions, the Klassic was still being outpaced. To ease the financial costs of another two sets of flight trials, they decided to remove the last two engines in one go. Now the result of this was a big surprise to the bright spark. The Klassic won this part of the trial hands down. Unfortunately, as most of the K force was moving Op Telic etc good about, the only load they could put on the K was the engines from the J.
As the 47/70 boys needed a good laught, they arranged with the muppets to off load the engines downroute. Since this happened, the combined Herc force has been too busy to go and pick them up, and even if they could, the Muppets have lost the location of the engines and the airwaybill details as well.
I hope that this clarifies the Jlider for you.
Compared with the Klassic, the mighty J has so much more Engine HP and fuel endurance, so some bright spark decided to have a competition between the K and the J to see at what point the two aircraft have equal load shifting capability/fuel burn rate.
So first they removed one engine from the J. Surprisingly it still won, so they took off another. After many runs in various coditions, the Klassic was still being outpaced. To ease the financial costs of another two sets of flight trials, they decided to remove the last two engines in one go. Now the result of this was a big surprise to the bright spark. The Klassic won this part of the trial hands down. Unfortunately, as most of the K force was moving Op Telic etc good about, the only load they could put on the K was the engines from the J.
As the 47/70 boys needed a good laught, they arranged with the muppets to off load the engines downroute. Since this happened, the combined Herc force has been too busy to go and pick them up, and even if they could, the Muppets have lost the location of the engines and the airwaybill details as well.
I hope that this clarifies the Jlider for you.
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Albert the first
Are you calling me fat?
Why don’t we have a J,K bash. Sorry I mean party, we could hold it on the glider.
A SNCO could plan it, organise it and run it while a young thrusting Flt Lt (lets call him OIC Party) could write a letter about and take all the credit and then get promoted.
Has their not been enough said about J,K. Its very childish at times and just not called for. I feel it undermines the spirit de corps of Lyneham. Is not professional or in the greater good of the Royal Air Force or our Britannic Majesty when our dirty laundry is aired on a public forum such as this.
So lets take the P**S out of the shiny fleet, who are lets be honest a right bunch of W
S.
All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell.
Are you calling me fat?
Why don’t we have a J,K bash. Sorry I mean party, we could hold it on the glider.
A SNCO could plan it, organise it and run it while a young thrusting Flt Lt (lets call him OIC Party) could write a letter about and take all the credit and then get promoted.
Has their not been enough said about J,K. Its very childish at times and just not called for. I feel it undermines the spirit de corps of Lyneham. Is not professional or in the greater good of the Royal Air Force or our Britannic Majesty when our dirty laundry is aired on a public forum such as this.
So lets take the P**S out of the shiny fleet, who are lets be honest a right bunch of W
S. All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell.
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Firstly,apologies if Ive upset some of you more sensitive types. I never (ever) said you didnt work(damned)hard and I know you have (ALL) done an incredible job.
What has amused me is the constant "fettling" the wonder jet has needed to get it this far.What has got it this far is the people involved - so stop telling me you work so hard ,I KNOW YOU DO. In your part of the world I also draw amusement from the strength of feeling amongst truckies
As for Acidbath who seems to want me to descend into some personal diatribe with him, if my comment is so crude and unfounded then why are you so irate?(Again -"me think the lady doth protest too much")
Please dont go off beam again and tell me how hard you work/worked,this is not my point at all.
It started out as a gentle jibe about engines, now join the great hugfest,and humourmill and calm down.
The Team works to coin a phrase,now my cover is blown!
Please all take care,and never ever trim into turns
What has amused me is the constant "fettling" the wonder jet has needed to get it this far.What has got it this far is the people involved - so stop telling me you work so hard ,I KNOW YOU DO. In your part of the world I also draw amusement from the strength of feeling amongst truckies
As for Acidbath who seems to want me to descend into some personal diatribe with him, if my comment is so crude and unfounded then why are you so irate?(Again -"me think the lady doth protest too much")
Please dont go off beam again and tell me how hard you work/worked,this is not my point at all.
It started out as a gentle jibe about engines, now join the great hugfest,and humourmill and calm down.
The Team works to coin a phrase,now my cover is blown!
Please all take care,and never ever trim into turns
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JM and Flip
Can't help but think that you let down the RAF as a whole by feeling the need to reply to these posts. Whats wrong with letting others speculate, lies rumours etc? That is the fun of the forum. Let the RAF's achievements speak for themselves. Using your names does not give you the morale high ground at all but just makes you look petty, self publicists who can't keep your gobs shut and please don't think for a minute that you are now the people's heros.
Just my opinion.
Oh if you want to keep it impersonal then don't make it the complete opposite.
Can't help but think that you let down the RAF as a whole by feeling the need to reply to these posts. Whats wrong with letting others speculate, lies rumours etc? That is the fun of the forum. Let the RAF's achievements speak for themselves. Using your names does not give you the morale high ground at all but just makes you look petty, self publicists who can't keep your gobs shut and please don't think for a minute that you are now the people's heros.
Just my opinion.
Oh if you want to keep it impersonal then don't make it the complete opposite.
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Not as such charliesbar – I know them both well and ‘petty, self publicists who can't keep your gobs shut’ they ain’t.
They’re both probably guilty……
…of nothing more than actually giving a f…. Quite rare in this man’s Airforce.
They’re both probably guilty……
…of nothing more than actually giving a f…. Quite rare in this man’s Airforce.
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I agree, but they are also anonymous forums (see big red blurb at the bottom of the page) and trying to make your point more valid by using your name is surely against the spirit of the thing.
I say I exist so it must be true.
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I say I exist so it must be true.
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May be wrong, but I believe that the Anon Blurb in red is more of a disclaimer rather than a rule.
What IS written in the PPrune home page is:
"....Our aim is to keep the content relevant and to stop the few troublemakers who are unable to learn 'netiquette' from turning some threads into flame wars.
PPRuNe started out as a hobby but has grown into an organisation dedicated to providing the ability for anyone with an interest and something worthwhile to say, a platform directly to the people who make the aviation world go round. Use it but please don't abuse it. It can be addictive, so be warned! ".
More relevant to read that (above) with respect to JM and Flipsters inputs than the red stuff at the foot of this page....perhaps? But again, that is simply my opinion.
What a great digression from Grimweasels Jlider thread.
What IS written in the PPrune home page is:
"....Our aim is to keep the content relevant and to stop the few troublemakers who are unable to learn 'netiquette' from turning some threads into flame wars.
PPRuNe started out as a hobby but has grown into an organisation dedicated to providing the ability for anyone with an interest and something worthwhile to say, a platform directly to the people who make the aviation world go round. Use it but please don't abuse it. It can be addictive, so be warned! ".
More relevant to read that (above) with respect to JM and Flipsters inputs than the red stuff at the foot of this page....perhaps? But again, that is simply my opinion.
What a great digression from Grimweasels Jlider thread.
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JM, recently promoted and STILL a top geezer, how many like that do we all know
..........fu@kin few me thinks!
Robo and the like, myself included, fly in the electric jet and love it to bits. All those who have I have had the pleasure of flying from a to b have remarked what a lovely machine it is. There is no doubt we have been sold a pup for a whole host of reasons but we are doing our bl@@dy hardest to make the thing work, and are getting there for sure
Mr Lox,
"Firstly,apologies if Ive upset some of you more sensitive types. I never (ever) said you didnt work(damned)hard and I know you have (ALL) done an incredible job."
Next time you sober up go read all your posts and see if you come to same conclusion as the rest of us......................your just plain rude
I expect some sort of schoolboy personal attack which will only serve to prove mine, and most others on here point. You would have come across a lot better had you the courage to take up JM's very kind offer.......................but hey that's civvies for you.
al spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
PS in anticipation...........my OJAR, there's a new word for us baldricks
, was written weeks ago and JM does not feature in the chain..............stroker
..........fu@kin few me thinks! Robo and the like, myself included, fly in the electric jet and love it to bits. All those who have I have had the pleasure of flying from a to b have remarked what a lovely machine it is. There is no doubt we have been sold a pup for a whole host of reasons but we are doing our bl@@dy hardest to make the thing work, and are getting there for sure
Mr Lox,
"Firstly,apologies if Ive upset some of you more sensitive types. I never (ever) said you didnt work(damned)hard and I know you have (ALL) done an incredible job."
Next time you sober up go read all your posts and see if you come to same conclusion as the rest of us......................your just plain rude
I expect some sort of schoolboy personal attack which will only serve to prove mine, and most others on here point. You would have come across a lot better had you the courage to take up JM's very kind offer.......................but hey that's civvies for you.al spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
PS in anticipation...........my OJAR, there's a new word for us baldricks
, was written weeks ago and JM does not feature in the chain..............stroker
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I hate to get pedantic, but I will always stand up for myself or others who deserve it. 
I am not a big reader of rules, but it was Charlies Bar who initiated that aspect...you know, the guy you agree with?
I am all for rumour, jibes and fun, but the reason JM and Flipster wrote what they did was because this thread was going well beyond that. Read back a few pages?
Always Broken, yes you are right, JM is still a top lad. Funny that, I suspect he was promoted on his professional ability rather than dusting the Mess. In fact its arguable that all SO2 on his sqn are from this mould.
So, anyway......some rumour....is it true that a J is off to rescue a K on a strip in Africa this weekend?
I am not a big reader of rules, but it was Charlies Bar who initiated that aspect...you know, the guy you agree with?
I am all for rumour, jibes and fun, but the reason JM and Flipster wrote what they did was because this thread was going well beyond that. Read back a few pages?
Always Broken, yes you are right, JM is still a top lad. Funny that, I suspect he was promoted on his professional ability rather than dusting the Mess. In fact its arguable that all SO2 on his sqn are from this mould.
So, anyway......some rumour....is it true that a J is off to rescue a K on a strip in Africa this weekend?
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Do they issue blinkers to truckies these days?
Can we please,please leave the K v J vitriol alone it really does you no good and its not the point of this thread at all.
If you really are that angry or hung up about it then there are very good courses available these days(or chat with the padre).
Of course I could continue the mutual appreciation society that this seems to have become.
No one said the C130J was not good at getting from A-B it is,but if half the things it said on the brochure were true then it should be doing an awful lot more than that.
Going to rescue a K is the business youre in and its all part of the job,Im sure theyve got you out of some holes before now. If its for an engine malfunction then that too is just life. Engines have a "life" and that should be `x`(usually a very big number) now this brings us back to the original point of the wonder jet as `jx` is a very very small number (see what I did).
Anyway rumour is the bean counters cant find a straightforward way of financing J`s for C-17`s so the whole lot are off on arrival of the truly amazing(cardboard) A400.
Why are you always broken in wiltshire? I think there is a disparity between ambition and ability amongst senior soupdragons in SW UK . Now you jelly bellied bonehead (now thats rude!) take a deep breath, look around (maybe outside your office/building/Station/Service) and try to form an adult opinion and not just throw cack . I tell you its C-17,A400,FSTA and.......super MR4 ..oh here we go again
Can we please,please leave the K v J vitriol alone it really does you no good and its not the point of this thread at all.
If you really are that angry or hung up about it then there are very good courses available these days(or chat with the padre).
Of course I could continue the mutual appreciation society that this seems to have become.
No one said the C130J was not good at getting from A-B it is,but if half the things it said on the brochure were true then it should be doing an awful lot more than that.
Going to rescue a K is the business youre in and its all part of the job,Im sure theyve got you out of some holes before now. If its for an engine malfunction then that too is just life. Engines have a "life" and that should be `x`(usually a very big number) now this brings us back to the original point of the wonder jet as `jx` is a very very small number (see what I did).
Anyway rumour is the bean counters cant find a straightforward way of financing J`s for C-17`s so the whole lot are off on arrival of the truly amazing(cardboard) A400.
Why are you always broken in wiltshire? I think there is a disparity between ambition and ability amongst senior soupdragons in SW UK . Now you jelly bellied bonehead (now thats rude!) take a deep breath, look around (maybe outside your office/building/Station/Service) and try to form an adult opinion and not just throw cack . I tell you its C-17,A400,FSTA and.......super MR4 ..oh here we go again
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Oz Gliders doing well
Lets move away from the secret airbase in Wilts and see how our colonial bretheren are coping with the J glider then shall we?
http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armyn...es/story07.htm
Where it says about the J(amongst other things):
“It’s had some untrue rumours spread about it, but it’s proven to be as capable, if not more capable, than previous models,”
"the new Hercules’ reduced crew, from six in an H-Model down to four in the J-Model had not reduced the aircraft’s effectiveness"
“I actually find the J-Model better than the older models, with reduced crew and computer-generated air-release-point, [which has] proven to be more consistently accurate.”
“It’s a good aircraft, it’s a viable aircraft and it’s a safe aircraft to jump from so it offers us another squadron, with another capability that we can utilise very effectively.”
So perhaps our problems with the J are self induced ?
http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armyn...es/story07.htm
Where it says about the J(amongst other things):
“It’s had some untrue rumours spread about it, but it’s proven to be as capable, if not more capable, than previous models,”
"the new Hercules’ reduced crew, from six in an H-Model down to four in the J-Model had not reduced the aircraft’s effectiveness"
“I actually find the J-Model better than the older models, with reduced crew and computer-generated air-release-point, [which has] proven to be more consistently accurate.”
“It’s a good aircraft, it’s a viable aircraft and it’s a safe aircraft to jump from so it offers us another squadron, with another capability that we can utilise very effectively.”
So perhaps our problems with the J are self induced ?
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Your biting wit has us all falling off our pay packets....ho ho how we laughed.
Is that the best you can do?
Pop down to stores and see if they can exchange your blinkers for a brain.
Now about these engines....
Is that the best you can do?
Pop down to stores and see if they can exchange your blinkers for a brain.
Now about these engines....
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Yawn......OK No Bolox to answer your question it seems the problem is bad but not as bad as first thought. Been away from work for a few days but read an email this morning saying we are looking to fly a set airspeed which is quicker than LRC. So the claims of faster, further and higher still ring true but just not as true as first claimed.
Now are there any miltary folks in here with opinions on this subject?
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
wonder what the civvie twerp will come back with next
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