NEW C130 Variant seen in Wilts!!
No I don't!
And why do you call the A400M an "air valve leader transport machine"?
It will be an excellent transport aeroplane - its only drawback is that it looks so much like an Albert that the ignorant can't understand why it will be so superior.
And why do you call the A400M an "air valve leader transport machine"?
It will be an excellent transport aeroplane - its only drawback is that it looks so much like an Albert that the ignorant can't understand why it will be so superior.
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Good Grief – a sensible comment on a J thread…..
’ its only drawback is that it looks so much like an Albert that the ignorant can't understand why it will be so superior’
…unfortunately you’re talking about the wrong aircraft Beagle!
’ its only drawback is that it looks so much like an Albert that the ignorant can't understand why it will be so superior’
…unfortunately you’re talking about the wrong aircraft Beagle!
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Nob Lox are you getting the picture?
Bit of a trend building amongst the lads here over your comments....and, well actually, you.....last time I saw that it involved Admin Guru or whatever he was called.....oh dear.
You seem so keen to mention 'your office' so often, where is it?
Bit of a trend building amongst the lads here over your comments....and, well actually, you.....last time I saw that it involved Admin Guru or whatever he was called.....oh dear.
You seem so keen to mention 'your office' so often, where is it?
Robo - you will note that I was using the future tense as the A400M has yet to fly.....
"Its main drawback is that, even though it looks so much like any other Albert, the ignorant can't understand why it isn't any better" is perhaps what I might have said about......another transport aeroplane
"Its main drawback is that, even though it looks so much like any other Albert, the ignorant can't understand why it isn't any better" is perhaps what I might have said about......another transport aeroplane
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Is that the best you can do? Did the big lads shout and make you cry? do you want them to go away? Aaaaah diddums.
Look clowns take a deep breath and try to see what this is all about, yet another problem hinders the wonder jet,and a long way down the line it still cant/isnt doing what it says on the tin.
You have a point with the reduced engine power setting for the K but the solution they employed was put on extra fuel,often into the external tanks(can you see whats coming?),have you fitted the tanks yet?
Now its just ANOTHER problem to overcome and in the big bad world people are losing faith.
A coherent Tac AT transport policy (open your eyes,use your goldfish brain,smell the coffee) is plain , C-17's,A400,FSTA, which why the big coffee bar chat see's the part ex of your electric jets for C-17,and get by until the European wonder bus arrives.
Then you all need a job at BZN.
Look clowns take a deep breath and try to see what this is all about, yet another problem hinders the wonder jet,and a long way down the line it still cant/isnt doing what it says on the tin.
You have a point with the reduced engine power setting for the K but the solution they employed was put on extra fuel,often into the external tanks(can you see whats coming?),have you fitted the tanks yet?
Now its just ANOTHER problem to overcome and in the big bad world people are losing faith.
A coherent Tac AT transport policy (open your eyes,use your goldfish brain,smell the coffee) is plain , C-17's,A400,FSTA, which why the big coffee bar chat see's the part ex of your electric jets for C-17,and get by until the European wonder bus arrives.
Then you all need a job at BZN.
I'd go along with C17, A400M and FSTA - but really think that the A400M should be based at Rompers Green.
Whichever flavour of Albert is still in service in 6 years time will doubtless have provided a pretty good return on investment. But how on earth anyone expects a relatively slow tactical trash hauler/meat bomber to be used for strategic work without rapidly using up airframe and engine life I cannot imagine!
Incidentally, EADS is now funding further tanker development, so it must be very sure about the A330's chances in the FSTA competition.
Whichever flavour of Albert is still in service in 6 years time will doubtless have provided a pretty good return on investment. But how on earth anyone expects a relatively slow tactical trash hauler/meat bomber to be used for strategic work without rapidly using up airframe and engine life I cannot imagine!
Incidentally, EADS is now funding further tanker development, so it must be very sure about the A330's chances in the FSTA competition.
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regards the stealth jlider, with the 59 anniversary of the Battle for Arnhem this weekend could we get the powers that be paint one in D Day colours and tow it across the channel to our dutch friends?
We could use the old battlebus as the tug and arrive in one piece.
What no engines?
We could use the old battlebus as the tug and arrive in one piece.
What no engines?
Come to my office ...
Mr Morrin - why can't you enlighten us all of the facts on this forum rather than just a one to one with Mr Lox? Surely can't be that secret that it has to be behind closed doors??
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hear hear (2port)
Well put...and, forgive a newcomer for commenting, isn't the purpose of this site to be rumours and suggestion...?
Why get so het up?
...and I'd prefer beer to a patio any day...
handbags down Johnny
Why get so het up?
...and I'd prefer beer to a patio any day...
handbags down Johnny
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No prep schools for me I'm afraid.
Acidbrat pray tell of the trend amongst you young thrusters,please tell me they dont beat the brains,sense and ability to see past the end of your big nose out of you at Stalag Luft IV these days.
As for AG he dissappeared, it is you who are noticably absent.
Now if you all get together you might be able to come up with a witty reply(or some more bunk party line about the wonder jet).
As far as I can see a few bits of unguided venom from some girl guides is hardly a trend.
Anyway back to the point,apart from being able to climb fast(oooh- but a bloo** big thermal needed) why is your car so good mister?
Acidbrat pray tell of the trend amongst you young thrusters,please tell me they dont beat the brains,sense and ability to see past the end of your big nose out of you at Stalag Luft IV these days.
As for AG he dissappeared, it is you who are noticably absent.
Now if you all get together you might be able to come up with a witty reply(or some more bunk party line about the wonder jet).
As far as I can see a few bits of unguided venom from some girl guides is hardly a trend.
Anyway back to the point,apart from being able to climb fast(oooh- but a bloo** big thermal needed) why is your car so good mister?
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If you are really interested in knowing about the aircraft if you do a search you’ll find plenty of information on the J’s capabilities. Better still speak to any J operator; J guys are always glad to talk about the aircraft. It isn’t a party line by the way most, guys are just genuinely enthusiastic about it.
However, I suspect you are just a windup merchant who would rather give a group of very hard working, enthusiastic and highly motivated colleagues a hard time. Well done your mum must be so proud.
However, I suspect you are just a windup merchant who would rather give a group of very hard working, enthusiastic and highly motivated colleagues a hard time. Well done your mum must be so proud.
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New C130 variant seen in Wilts
I promised myself that I would not write under my real name again but find myself doing so (DOH!!).
I have written to Noble Lox explaining why I replied to his earlier threads, specifying the points I was unhappy about. It had nothing to do with things ‘J’ related (pprune seems to be a forum for what we used to do in Happy Hour, on a Friday night – namely friendly leg-pulling!!) and I should have been more specific in my reply.
I didn’t want the thread to become a slanging match – neither am I prepared to supply real-time information on an open and insecure site (read the disclaimer at the opening page!!). It would also be extremely bad for my career prospects (not to mention my pension!)
I was quite taken aback when some of my colleagues decide to rally to my defence – it was appreciated, but I am quite prepared to fight my own battles, as I have been doing so for some considerable time.
As for the J, the ac has been doing a fantastic job. You need only to look at the logbooks of the Pilots and Air Loadmasters to realise how much the RAF has relied upon the J, on operations, especially over the last two years.
The flying rate at Lyneham has exceeded all expectations – especially considering the base is home to two smaller fleets as opposed to one large fleet, as it was in 1990/91.
It would be unfair to sing on about the J. Our colleagues across the other side of the airfield did some outstanding work during TELIC. You civvies will have to wait a long time before you get to know a fraction of what they did. Most of it is a mystery to us as well!! Well done boys and girls.
As for brown-nosing, I have never found the need, as my abilities as a pilot and an officer have seemed to be sufficient so far, and I am too old to start changing my ways.
Don’t worry about me having a heart attack – the CO’s X-country confirmed the ticker is still ticking!!
Here endeth the lesson – If you must write, keep it impersonal (i.e. don’t slag off third party individuals!). Lets stick to banter that everyone can appreciate – email is very powerful and can go anywhere!!
John Morrin
I have written to Noble Lox explaining why I replied to his earlier threads, specifying the points I was unhappy about. It had nothing to do with things ‘J’ related (pprune seems to be a forum for what we used to do in Happy Hour, on a Friday night – namely friendly leg-pulling!!) and I should have been more specific in my reply.
I didn’t want the thread to become a slanging match – neither am I prepared to supply real-time information on an open and insecure site (read the disclaimer at the opening page!!). It would also be extremely bad for my career prospects (not to mention my pension!)
I was quite taken aback when some of my colleagues decide to rally to my defence – it was appreciated, but I am quite prepared to fight my own battles, as I have been doing so for some considerable time.
As for the J, the ac has been doing a fantastic job. You need only to look at the logbooks of the Pilots and Air Loadmasters to realise how much the RAF has relied upon the J, on operations, especially over the last two years.
The flying rate at Lyneham has exceeded all expectations – especially considering the base is home to two smaller fleets as opposed to one large fleet, as it was in 1990/91.
It would be unfair to sing on about the J. Our colleagues across the other side of the airfield did some outstanding work during TELIC. You civvies will have to wait a long time before you get to know a fraction of what they did. Most of it is a mystery to us as well!! Well done boys and girls.
As for brown-nosing, I have never found the need, as my abilities as a pilot and an officer have seemed to be sufficient so far, and I am too old to start changing my ways.
Don’t worry about me having a heart attack – the CO’s X-country confirmed the ticker is still ticking!!
Here endeth the lesson – If you must write, keep it impersonal (i.e. don’t slag off third party individuals!). Lets stick to banter that everyone can appreciate – email is very powerful and can go anywhere!!
John Morrin
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Nicely put John,
I'm with you mate
Inter-squadron/fleet/service banter is fine but all too often, this site degenerates into vitriolic and personal slanging matches which demeans the genuine posters, their valid concerns, problems, questions and not least, their humour. One could argue that it is a 'rumour site' and has no basis in fact - not sure about that as people do use it as a means to ask for advice, air the grieviances, and spread the word - and it IS monitored by the high-paid help - I know - so be careful!
I especially agree about cautious use of the power of e-mails.......but that's another story, as they say!
Flipster (and I thought I was being obvious!)
ps Thanks to the J for the lift to Marshalls the other day to see more new bits of kit with which the old venerable rattle-bus is now bristling. Shame both J and K couldn't be similarly equipped fleet-wide - then we might have something the army could actually use !
I'm with you mate
Inter-squadron/fleet/service banter is fine but all too often, this site degenerates into vitriolic and personal slanging matches which demeans the genuine posters, their valid concerns, problems, questions and not least, their humour. One could argue that it is a 'rumour site' and has no basis in fact - not sure about that as people do use it as a means to ask for advice, air the grieviances, and spread the word - and it IS monitored by the high-paid help - I know - so be careful!
I especially agree about cautious use of the power of e-mails.......but that's another story, as they say!
Flipster (and I thought I was being obvious!)
ps Thanks to the J for the lift to Marshalls the other day to see more new bits of kit with which the old venerable rattle-bus is now bristling. Shame both J and K couldn't be similarly equipped fleet-wide - then we might have something the army could actually use !
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Flipster, Johnny M,
Agreed. This isn't a personality slagging forum which is what some (NL) appear to be wrongly using it as. Banter is integral to our profession. The best banter though is witty and informed, not crude and unfounded.
No doubt there will be another adolescent reply from some quarter.
(PS. NL, My teeth are probably a lot longer than you think).
Agreed. This isn't a personality slagging forum which is what some (NL) appear to be wrongly using it as. Banter is integral to our profession. The best banter though is witty and informed, not crude and unfounded.
No doubt there will be another adolescent reply from some quarter.
(PS. NL, My teeth are probably a lot longer than you think).
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John Morin
You seem to be someone who knows a thing or two about the C130 J, and your post have interested me. Please could you share some of your knowledge for those af us not lucky enough to be at Lyneham. Please be honest.
Is the J more capable than the K at present?
I know that it has a swanky flight deck, and a radar to be proud of, but does it give any real advantages to the operational capability?
Why is the Lyneham banter and infighting always laced with venom?
Thanks
You seem to be someone who knows a thing or two about the C130 J, and your post have interested me. Please could you share some of your knowledge for those af us not lucky enough to be at Lyneham. Please be honest.
Is the J more capable than the K at present?
I know that it has a swanky flight deck, and a radar to be proud of, but does it give any real advantages to the operational capability?
Why is the Lyneham banter and infighting always laced with venom?
Thanks
now that all and sundry have had their chest hairs bared for all can we beg the question as to why the Jlider exists in the first place? Is it a case of canabalisation or just plain unlucky?
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If any one was around Lyneham yesterday 20/09 they would have seen a completely empty PAN, K and J
(Except the glider sorry to mention it).
Does this not show how hard both sides of the airfield are working still. Yes the J has some problems so does the new K3A.
Lets all eat a pie and say no more about it.
I'm really looking forward to the reduction in crew ratios followed by my divorcé.
All spelling mistakes are because I can't spell.
(Except the glider sorry to mention it).
Does this not show how hard both sides of the airfield are working still. Yes the J has some problems so does the new K3A.
Lets all eat a pie and say no more about it.
I'm really looking forward to the reduction in crew ratios followed by my divorcé.
All spelling mistakes are because I can't spell.