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Please , please , please can we keep this one from descending into K v`s J vitriol and back biting as it has already worn me out !
We know the war was won en route to Akrotiri and a jolly fine (and long boring) job you did too.
60-80 hrs is easily enough to qualify you for a hard won medal, but I am reliably informed you had to be awake for at least 30% of the time to qualify.
Open your mind (and eyes) and you will see that some (lots ) of the K`s have been very noticable by their abscence.
And the Route (schmoute) currency issue is because they have been acheiving more than 60-80 hrs but no route hrs(scratches head in wonderment-goes back to building decking)
Facts are, for whatever reason J model engines are lasting about as long as a lolipop in Basrah, and a big problem is looming(scene shifts to engineless models looking forlorn) . Mind you it hasnt stopped HM`s finest parking in a storm drain last week and rendering another one useless.
Have a lovely time hours building on route, please eat a pie for me
We know the war was won en route to Akrotiri and a jolly fine (and long boring) job you did too.
60-80 hrs is easily enough to qualify you for a hard won medal, but I am reliably informed you had to be awake for at least 30% of the time to qualify.
Open your mind (and eyes) and you will see that some (lots ) of the K`s have been very noticable by their abscence.
And the Route (schmoute) currency issue is because they have been acheiving more than 60-80 hrs but no route hrs(scratches head in wonderment-goes back to building decking)
Facts are, for whatever reason J model engines are lasting about as long as a lolipop in Basrah, and a big problem is looming(scene shifts to engineless models looking forlorn) . Mind you it hasnt stopped HM`s finest parking in a storm drain last week and rendering another one useless.
Have a lovely time hours building on route, please eat a pie for me
A quick reminder for those thinking about ATPL(A)s who are current on military ME multi-pilot aeroplanes (that doesn't mean 2-stick FJs, incidentally!), the maximum accreditation is available for those with 2000 hrs TT, of which 1500 must be on an approved ME type (e.g C130) following completion of the OCU. Of those 1500, not less than 1000 must be as PIC, the other 500 can be co-pilot P1 time (PIC U/S).
If you have all that, then all you need to do (and no,you do NOT need to do the FRTOL exams if you meet these accreditation criteria) is:
1. Get a JAA Class 1 medical
2. Pass ATPL Air Law
3. Have your next IR 'observed' by a civil IRE
4. Fill out the application form
5. Pay the dosh
6. Wait for thud of little green book on doormat!
I did! Incidentally, if you've already got a UK civil commercial licence and have completed the JAR-FCL 'assimilation of knowledge' requirements, you don't even need to take ATPL(A) Air Law!
If you have all that, then all you need to do (and no,you do NOT need to do the FRTOL exams if you meet these accreditation criteria) is:
1. Get a JAA Class 1 medical
2. Pass ATPL Air Law
3. Have your next IR 'observed' by a civil IRE
4. Fill out the application form
5. Pay the dosh
6. Wait for thud of little green book on doormat!
I did! Incidentally, if you've already got a UK civil commercial licence and have completed the JAR-FCL 'assimilation of knowledge' requirements, you don't even need to take ATPL(A) Air Law!
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Get back to the bit about elastic bands for engines, it makes I laugh. Now 60-80hrs/mnth heading for lots more, against 8-10 engines/mnth starting with not too many.............I think this plan has a flaw.Keep eating isotonic meat+potato pies(remember plenty of sauce) and 1000pies will occur well before 1000hrs but way after 1000 engines.
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not trying to slag off the k at all, just genuinely sorry for the guys i know on the south side who are getting one route a month or a couple of local area mct's at best. also am quite aware of the engine, and other, problems so am looking forward to some gardening leave.
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Spare me your sympathy Beagle because I am now moving on from the jolly old RAF.
I will miss the J though and it has never been the case of having ‘to cope with the digitally re-mastered 130 on a day-to-day basis’. Quite the contrary I loved everything about the aircraft. However, I have come to realise that the ill informed bollix that permeates the whole J debate has probably irreparably damaged the aircraft’s chances and sadly it really is the RAF’s loss.
On a happier note I’ve just got back from Disney and found this great sweatshirt – it’s got a picture of Mickey Mouse and an aeroplane overhead. Underneath are the words Mickey Mouse Airlines. How very appropriate.
I will miss the J though and it has never been the case of having ‘to cope with the digitally re-mastered 130 on a day-to-day basis’. Quite the contrary I loved everything about the aircraft. However, I have come to realise that the ill informed bollix that permeates the whole J debate has probably irreparably damaged the aircraft’s chances and sadly it really is the RAF’s loss.
On a happier note I’ve just got back from Disney and found this great sweatshirt – it’s got a picture of Mickey Mouse and an aeroplane overhead. Underneath are the words Mickey Mouse Airlines. How very appropriate.
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Look fella's I have the utmost admiration for you military war heros, but my genuine sympathy is with you as you have performed feats beyond the endurance of gods making that engineless crock of s*** work. You all deserve a day off , a trip to the Palace and a life on the "after dinner speaking circuit" telling of your trials. What should have been the best aeroplane to hit the street has proved to be an Airfix kit made by Wombles flown by Skygods;(that includes route queens of the highest order too!).
I honestly despair that we are soldiering on(no pun intended) with a 50yr old battlebus and on the horizon all I see is Indians and the promise(listen for the echo ,J is great) of the A400 to fill the boots of the real albert.
We should have listened to the USAF,USMC,RAAF and everyone else with a brain and NOT Miguel Portillo.
Look across the airfield as jobs will be available for a loooong time, as long as your skin is thick enough for the schoolboy banter
Still never mind plenty of time for the Kenyan Tac warriors to enjoy the new decking ho ho ho while they queue for their chat with the boss
I honestly despair that we are soldiering on(no pun intended) with a 50yr old battlebus and on the horizon all I see is Indians and the promise(listen for the echo ,J is great) of the A400 to fill the boots of the real albert.
We should have listened to the USAF,USMC,RAAF and everyone else with a brain and NOT Miguel Portillo.
Look across the airfield as jobs will be available for a loooong time, as long as your skin is thick enough for the schoolboy banter
Still never mind plenty of time for the Kenyan Tac warriors to enjoy the new decking ho ho ho while they queue for their chat with the boss
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J/K Banter
Gents,
As a mere onlooker I find it hard to understand how those from the same base pick holes at each other.
The K has had a mighty reign. The J has bags of potential but, unfortunately, not the correct personnel on high to promote it further(coupled with alleged problems with Lockheed).
Comparing threads on PPrune, when a Red Arrow departs the RW in Jersey the thread remains staid and apt. At the slightest hint of a problem with a J/K(eg Kenya,engines) a melee commences. I would imagine 5 year olds could assist in that type of banter.
Surely someone with more rank than I should be stamping on these squabblings as it will probably end in tears sooner than later. Grow up lads.
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As a mere onlooker I find it hard to understand how those from the same base pick holes at each other.
The K has had a mighty reign. The J has bags of potential but, unfortunately, not the correct personnel on high to promote it further(coupled with alleged problems with Lockheed).
Comparing threads on PPrune, when a Red Arrow departs the RW in Jersey the thread remains staid and apt. At the slightest hint of a problem with a J/K(eg Kenya,engines) a melee commences. I would imagine 5 year olds could assist in that type of banter.
Surely someone with more rank than I should be stamping on these squabblings as it will probably end in tears sooner than later. Grow up lads.
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Purrleease
lets not get into another peurile squabble or the acrobatic air cadets will tangle the handles of their hi-tech handbags.
For the record,this is a serious issue as soon there may not be a J ,if this horrid engine problem is not sorted soonest.
The rumour that"a done deal" is shortly to be announced that a substantial proportion of wonder jets are to be "exchanged" for C-17's is more than crew room chat
As for the K in the past tense,please try to stetch your mind(it may hurt a little at first) ,as serious amounts of cash have been spent, and the latest informed opinion sees the old boneshaker well into the next decade
Oh and I find it difficult to argue with anyone on my base, as Im de boss, what I says goes
lets not get into another peurile squabble or the acrobatic air cadets will tangle the handles of their hi-tech handbags.
For the record,this is a serious issue as soon there may not be a J ,if this horrid engine problem is not sorted soonest.
The rumour that"a done deal" is shortly to be announced that a substantial proportion of wonder jets are to be "exchanged" for C-17's is more than crew room chat
As for the K in the past tense,please try to stetch your mind(it may hurt a little at first) ,as serious amounts of cash have been spent, and the latest informed opinion sees the old boneshaker well into the next decade
Oh and I find it difficult to argue with anyone on my base, as Im de boss, what I says goes
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Firstly, Ive re-read the posts and for once I think this is how it should be,namely informed debate/rumour and sharp banter (do you see yet aerobratic??) if your too sensitive or precious not to be able to see the nose on your face, then sit down for a few minutes and have a word with yourself. Then re-read the thread and eat more fish for your noggin.
Secondly, our heros got a little tired and emotional in deepest Africa , and so did some people in deepest Wiltshire, none of this is true,I slipped in the shower,banged my head,and when I awoke found it was all a dream
Ah well lots of spares back home,oh no thats right I forgot for a mo!!
Still at least we might now get some time off to enjoy the expensive patio
Secondly, our heros got a little tired and emotional in deepest Africa , and so did some people in deepest Wiltshire, none of this is true,I slipped in the shower,banged my head,and when I awoke found it was all a dream
Ah well lots of spares back home,oh no thats right I forgot for a mo!!
Still at least we might now get some time off to enjoy the expensive patio
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NEW C130 Variant seen in Wilts!!
People should really learn the facts before putting 'pen to paper' or 'fingers to keyboards'. If you want to learn the facts then please come across to my office tomorrow and I will pleased to enlighten you. As for Noble Lox, I hope he or she has the guts to come to my office tomorrow morning so I can explain the facts of life to him or her.
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Ooooh now easy tiger,
is your office comfortably furnished? I would just love to visit, just one small prob-WHERE THE b***** H*** is it old fool.
Lets keep this on the level and get back to idle banter and keep hold of our teddies,dummies and lollipops.
Before we miss the point entirely,are the engines alright??
I hear the hamsters all survived but most of the wheels are bent beyond repair.
Maybe you'd like to come to my office chocolate lips
is your office comfortably furnished? I would just love to visit, just one small prob-WHERE THE b***** H*** is it old fool.
Lets keep this on the level and get back to idle banter and keep hold of our teddies,dummies and lollipops.
Before we miss the point entirely,are the engines alright??
I hear the hamsters all survived but most of the wheels are bent beyond repair.
Maybe you'd like to come to my office chocolate lips
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Enough said - see you tomorrow then
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Sorry. I Didn't read your last email properly.
I will be available from 0830A to 0930A in OC24 Sqn's office ( by the way, I am the OLD BASTARD, at the moment). After that I will be flight testing an aircraft following rectification, for a multiple engine change. Should be back in OC 24 Sqn's office from 1400A. I await your arrival!!
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Sorry. I Didn't read your last email properly.
I will be available from 0830A to 0930A in OC24 Sqn's office ( by the way, I am the OLD BASTARD, at the moment). After that I will be flight testing an aircraft following rectification, for a multiple engine change. Should be back in OC 24 Sqn's office from 1400A. I await your arrival!!
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Hear hear Jonny,
So its true the turbines are not lasting as long as they where supposed to at max chat. The solution will be a cruise power reduction (sound familiar 1010 vs 985 on the K), but it should still be faster than the old girl.
Don't be too hard on the Kenya lads, they wouldn't be the first to hit something on a night strip would they, and we all know who we are. Of course many have been saved by a bit of GE fetteling or by stuffing feathers in the hole and claiming a bird strike.
It is an outstanding patio, shame we can't afford hot water in the Mess as well.
So its true the turbines are not lasting as long as they where supposed to at max chat. The solution will be a cruise power reduction (sound familiar 1010 vs 985 on the K), but it should still be faster than the old girl.
Don't be too hard on the Kenya lads, they wouldn't be the first to hit something on a night strip would they, and we all know who we are. Of course many have been saved by a bit of GE fetteling or by stuffing feathers in the hole and claiming a bird strike.
It is an outstanding patio, shame we can't afford hot water in the Mess as well.
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Firstly, sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities(honestly).
There seems to be some top level brown nosing going on here,is it assesment time for the children in Wiltshire? Did the big boys shout and make you cry , good on yer Jonny for telling them off, now can we have an ice cream if we promise not to wet our pants again.
Acrobrat and drifter go make some tea while the grown ups talk.
Would love to meet when Im home....would look funny in a hat though(havent worn one in years),you could pop along to my office when you have time,or we could do lunch I'll charge it to the company and call it networking.
You know there is a big world past the end of Dauntsey bank, and the earth is round.
PS for the acidbrat I have friends who build patios who Im still in touch with,who enjoy keeping me informed. Go on use your goldfish brain -it,ll hurt at first but you can do it.Then make Jonny some tea
There seems to be some top level brown nosing going on here,is it assesment time for the children in Wiltshire? Did the big boys shout and make you cry , good on yer Jonny for telling them off, now can we have an ice cream if we promise not to wet our pants again.
Acrobrat and drifter go make some tea while the grown ups talk.
Would love to meet when Im home....would look funny in a hat though(havent worn one in years),you could pop along to my office when you have time,or we could do lunch I'll charge it to the company and call it networking.
You know there is a big world past the end of Dauntsey bank, and the earth is round.
PS for the acidbrat I have friends who build patios who Im still in touch with,who enjoy keeping me informed. Go on use your goldfish brain -it,ll hurt at first but you can do it.Then make Jonny some tea
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Robo-
think you might be right about Nobbly Blox, or whatever his name is. probably went to pwep school
John-
don't take it all so personally, or you'll have a heart attack...not worth it, mate!
Beagle-
you really do have shares in the A400M Luftklappenfuhrertransportmachine don't you ?
think you might be right about Nobbly Blox, or whatever his name is. probably went to pwep school
John-
don't take it all so personally, or you'll have a heart attack...not worth it, mate!
Beagle-
you really do have shares in the A400M Luftklappenfuhrertransportmachine don't you ?