A serious question: how many of the resignations are from U.S. pilots?

Korean eh? Frying pans and fires....

Thread AWOL?
 

Me too....

If I didn't know better i'd think some mysterious pressure caused it to disappear....

Nope.

There was a seperate thread by "Capt Pruner" started on 29/9/09 that he himself deleted. No idea why, but it is his right as the original poster.

No subversive reasons :ok:

EGGW.

Back on topic,
As per the latest update, "They still have large numbers of quality applicants" but if you guys want to recommend anybody it'll be more than welcome. Yeah I'm telling all my friends as I type. :oh:

You do not live in the real world in DXB. Just look at the experence level of most of the new hires. Lots of very experenced pilots still appling and BTW they too are appling to all the other jobs that the EK pilots are appling to and A - think is better than EK and B- think the job is a given when they apply. There has been a few 777 EK Capts apply to KAL get offered a job and later turned in down maybe ask them why they did that. As mentioned fire to fry pan thing.But go for it if you think its the better move. The more that leave will put pressure on EK managment and you might see an improvement .

Good luck to those that leave, Ill be right behind you when a better job show up.

Good luck to all of us leaving, and we wish also the best to the ones who stay.
Pilots we are, and here we stand. We can be a big family, wherever we are coming from and goint to.
If EK, GF, QR or EY ever learnt a lesson from the resignations, it would be well known..... but anyway, if one day insh allah they are, I wish you sincerely all the best.

What qualifies as a good job to one person may not to the next, and thus it will ever be. It doesn't answer the question as to why so many are leaving the "best job in the world" (according to those legends-in-their-own-minds, Emirates management).

Maybe they will have trouble replacing the resignations with quality, maybe they won't. I don't care. I just love seeing them actually have to. The training, joining, and repatriation costs alone must be horrendous but the loss of face is the true cost and it looks good on them. I hope it doesn't affect our profit share too much next year! They can lie to themselves as much as they want but it doesn't accomplish much.

I'm sure in an effort to cut costs, they'll continue to cut the T&C's, which will hardly enhance the ability to attract quality, and around and around it will go. I believe that would be analogous to being behind the power curve. Bang up job in management guys, keep up the good work! It was only predicted about forever ago.

:D

flaphandlemover cites 143 resignations in his post above.

Can someone confirm that number? Since what date? Even if you apply the first rule of rumours, (halve the figure originally given and then divide that answer by two), it's still a very large number. I can remember the days at EK when two in a year were enough to get people talking.

I have no first hand knowledge of KAL. However, have a good friend there on the 777 who wishes he was anywhere else, and another one who's more or less happy - be he did NOT enjoy his initial training.

143 resignations....???
 

Hi Folks,

heard 10 days ago that around 135 resigned....around 3 months notice period so guess this number is how many will leave in the next 3 months.....

Going home soon and looking forward to it !!!


Greetings from the sandpit ,

flyneo

Hi all, Maybe this can be settled once and for all by all those leaving attending the SIDS and STARS evening on the 26th Oct.

Before all the negative posts come flying regarding the event being taken over by the EPI group, I believe they do have to right to advertise as they see fit, and we, the individual have the right that whilst we drink their booze to at least listen to what they have to say.

It would be great to see a huge turn out and wish all those alleged people leaving, a wonderful life....

And the kicks keep on coming!
 

Have they even 'announced' the target as yet???
I reckon there are two chances of us getting profit share this year! - and we all know what they are...

Much as I'd love that figure of 143 to be true, I'm afraid it's not. According to a source who has no political reason to tell me porkies...it's closer to 40 this calendar year. Shoot me if I'm wrong, but I get a little bit tired of numbers being inflated by every iteration of the rumour mill.

Don't shoot the messenger..just don't get your hopes up of a payrise based on these sort of numbers.

Your probably correct Camel Kisser, 40 so far, but 137 plus or minus a few have resignations which become effective over the next 3 months or so, but who's counting. Ouch thats gonna hurt at least until the next suckers arrive.

Official fig from DCFI-B @ TC workshop is 2%

Doesn't matter too much really what the exact numbers are. Guys are leaving EK, and the company are going to find it extremely hard to recruit enough pilots just to cover the rate of attrition. Let alone any requirement for expansion of the fleet.

EK have shown their true colours, and now they will have to lie in the bed they have made for themselves. They might not feel the full effects for another 6 months or so, but when they do it will be too late.

Oh well.....

Perhaps what EK fail to realise is that the current 1 to 2% attrition is during one of the worst periods in the history of the Aviation Industry. Ie Very few jobs out there etc. So if times are bad and guys are leaving they better hold on tight because when the market swings they will truly understand the meaning of " Atonement"

Alitalia have got rid of 840 pilots .... where's the shortage?

Why are people leaving in the first place?

Listen to Pink (incompl.):

This used to be a fun house
But now it's full of evil clowns
It's time to start the countdown
......................

American Tune?
 

Words & music by paul simon

Manys the time Ive been mistaken
And many times confused
Yes, and often felt forsaken
And certainly misused
Oh, but Im alright, Im alright
Im just weary to my bones
Still, you dont expect to be
Bright and bon vivant
So far a-way from home, so far away from home

I dont know a soul whos not been battered
I dont have a friend who feels at ease
I dont know a dream thats not been shattered
Or driven to its knees
Oh, but its alright, its alright
For we lived so well so long
Still, when I think of the
Road were traveling on
I wonder whats gone wrong
I cant help it, I wonder whats gone wrong

AC/DC
 

Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
Aint nothing I would rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too

Im on the highway to hell

No stop signs, speed limit
Nobodys gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobodys gonna mess me round
Hey satan, payed my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey momma, look at me
Im on my way to the promised land

Im on the highway to hell
(dont stop me)

And Im going down, all the way down
Im on the highway to hell

halas

ps:good Oz rock!
And what is it with N/A lyrical bullsh!t anyway?

oh pleeease!!

Can we dispense with the sing a long and get back to the subject. Before someone gets up and starts singing "Danny boy" :D

Ohhhh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the flowers are dying
'tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.

But come you back when summer's in the meadow
Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow
'tis I'll be there in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so. :p

well not sure if this means anything about the coming shortage of pilots at EK, but my future RSV month has been canceled until further notice due to operational reasons. Flew with a captain who also received the same email.:hmm:

Theories as to why a RSV month would be cancelled?

Fair enough, but doesn't having a lot of people on RSV give them greater flexability?

Only if, in the planning stage, they can put a bum on any seat required.

..reserve month cancelled??

Don't know if there is actually anyone planning anything. I, and many others (Capt's and F/O's) were on the receiving end of an email in August that had our reserve month pulled FORWARD from early 2010 to October/November.....for OPERATIONAL reasons. :rolleyes:

Jinglied

Same for me: rsv in Jan 10, pulled forward to Nov 09 ...

From a good source, however, the "departed" this year are in the low forties.

From Long range Ted's mouth...highest number of resignations in one month for EK happened in Sep 09 when 14 put their notice in.

Don

... well, if LR says that's the true figure, it must be right then.


... right?

Must be one of the lucky 40.

No job to go to but just had enough of the rubbish. Next months roster is absolute garbage.

Good luck boys, not much left here.

My friend left August 12th of this year and at his exit interview Helena White told him at that time that 85 pilots have left EK so far. That includes the sackings but going foward 3 months the number has to be over 100 by now.
When the German frieght B-777 airline starts taking our pilots it will get close to 125 for the year in the worst economic downturn in generations.
On a side note any word on the Stasi masquarding as asst chief pilot Boeing is going back to East Germany to fly for Aero-Logic? Good ridance

calling all A380 pilots
 

Sorry Heathrow but I think SGT Shultz is here to stay, appears he, and one of his former peers in management at Aerologic don't get on. EGT wanted a management slot which wasn't to be so as far as I know his here to stay. Give the old SGT a break at least he replies to your emails, and is probably the only person who does anything useful in there.

Regarding numbers I confirm the 130plus guys, see my post on another thread.

And theres more, 2 out of the 3 FOs I flew with last have either resigned, or are waiting on course dates to resign, and the other one that isn't leaving has several job offers so is not about to take anymore s#@t.

And lastly rumour has it that Korean are offering 20kUSD a month for direct entry A380 Captains....if thats true it could be a problem for the three ring circus (AAR, TCAS, and the horse)

KAL A380 rumours are just that, dont get too excited.

...........allaru.........come on buddy ! That post doesn't count......you down to 57 posts mate ! How can you even post that "rumour", 20kUSD for A380 skippers :}......gees mate you might as well have included the one on Cinderella, Bambi...blah blah.

Let's disseminate usefull info wenever we can ........otherwise let's not put a "journos kiss" on resignations at Ek. True people are leaving EK ........but too much sensationalization makes it tabloid trash......and deprives readers of useful info.:ok:

Judging by the numbers of EK guys interviewing at KAL over the coming weeks it may well be a realistic resignation figure. Good luck to the 5 interviewing this week and the 15 so far with interviews booked for next month. From a reliable source at KAL.

Korean A380
 

Check this out

Korean Air expands A380 aircraft order
19 February 2008


Korean Air is expanding its A380 fleet with the purchase of three more A380 aircraft. This firm order is in addition to the five A380 aircraft ordered by Korean Air in 2003.

Starting in 2010, Korean Air will introduce the A380 on high density traffic routes from Seoul to the US west coast, with subsequent destinations likely to include cities on the US east coast and Europe. Deliveries to Korean Air for the three additional aircraft are scheduled to take place in 2012 and 2013.

With Korean Air's additional order, Airbus has 192 firm orders, from 16 customers for the A380 programme.

"Our decision to purchase the A380 aircraft is in line with our vision to become a global leading carrier providing the best quality of service to our passengers," said Yang Ho Cho, Chairman and CEO of Korean Air. "The A380 is a comfortable, environment-friendly aircraft for the 21st century and it will enable Korean Air to provide Excellence in Flight to our customers."

John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer Customers, added: "We greatly value our partnership with Korean Air, and it is particularly satisfying to see our first and oldest customer outside Europe confirming his confidence in the A380 for its fleet renewal and growth strategy. The advanced technology and eco-efficient A380 will provide Korean Air with lower operating costs, greater range and outstanding new standards of comfort for its passengers".

Airbus' relationship with Korean Air dates back to 1974, when the airline became Airbus' first customer outside Europe. Today, the carrier remains one of Airbus' largest customers in the region, having previously placed orders for 51 widebody types comprising 32 A300s and 19 A330s.

Being greener, cleaner, quieter and smarter, the A380 is already setting new standards for air transport and the environment. The A380 has unmatched fuel efficiency, consuming less than three litres per passenger per 100 kilometres. Its new-generation engines and superb aerodynamic performance mean that the A380 not only complies with today's noise limits, it is also significantly quieter than any other large aircraft flying today and produces only half as much noise on take-off and landing than the former largest commercial aircraft.

The A380 has the quietest cabin in the sky, offers more comfort in every class and more space for all. The aircraft's efficiency and advanced technologies result in outstanding economics, superior performance and high operational flexibility. The A380 also provides vital extra passenger capacity without increasing the number of flights. Compared to the former largest commercial aircraft, the A380 seats over 40 percent more passengers in a typical three-class, 525-seat configuration - with seat-mile costs 20 percent lower and range capability over 1,000 nautical miles longer.

Airbus is an EADS Company.

so what...EK captains make around 20K US..:)

Payscale, dream on buddy!

( EK ) Try @ 12-14 k US and dont get into this including housing amd education thing again