Spoke to some people at KAL. They said there is no way expats will be on the first few 380s. For what its worth.

Knowing Asian culture I am very sure that expats will not be on the first few A380, if not at all!

I think it will depend on what their insurers require. I understand that is the major reason the Korean hires expats in the first place.
It's not because they want to hire them but because they have been compelled to by their insurers because of the number of aircraft losses etc.

I can just imagine how some of the " local oldies" who have been on the 744 for years and years will cope with their first Airbus being an A380.

Ecam Action Stations

I dont know what window you look out off, but just under 20K USD is not far off in my case..sorry to wee on your parade. Yes its including housing and education. Since KAL doesnt pay for this you have to compare apples to apples....

Payscale, there you go being rational and looking at the overall big picture. What are you doing? You can't do that!

I agreed with Payscale, he is making a fair comparison.

KAL provide accom in Seol actually.

$20,000 = 73,500 dhs ( still dreaming especially with prod pay virtually gone here at EK)

..Fair comparison?

How about adding in the fact that you would not be living in the middle east and you live in your own country? How much is that worth?

Jinglie'd

interestingly and for what it's worth I have just moved 9 places up the seniority list(from a month ago), and I'm in the top 20% to start with.
No-one leaving?.........

Living in the middle east was a choise you and I made at some point. I dont love it. But I dont hate it either. That the expat life style. We are well paid guest workers. We will all leave at some point again. KAL pays your HOTAC in korea. EK pays you villa....

Payscale..

"Living in the middle east was a choise you and I made at some point."

Your stating the obvious. How does that, or your previous posts, support an "apples to apples" comparison. I say you cannot do it.

Jinglie'd

Not a lot - my home country is going down the pan and we couldn't wait to get out. :ouch:

Jingled

Its doesnt really matter what you think.. or what I think. Its the guys planning to make the switch from EK to KAL that has to sum things up in a way that seems logic to him. I offered my opinion on how I would compare it. Fact is after 10 years here, living out of accommodations and being a trainer I make a decent salary. The job that I eventually would trade it in for would be compared as a full package.
I fear for the future of this country, but we know so little of what goes on in the government that any conclusion we draw is a shot in the dark..
Lets see if Nalheel can pay their 3,5 bill sukuk in december....:uhoh:

Jingled,

That's IF you consider spending 11-12 days in your home country every month "Living" there, whilst spend ing 2/3rds of your life away from your family.

Don,t get me wrong, if there was a pressing reason for my family to be at home, this might be a reasonable option.

But DON'T labour under the mis-apprehention that spending most of your life as an un-welcome foreigner away from your family is any picnic!!

One of the questions I asked whilst attending the KAL interview (330 DEC) was whether or not I would have the chance to fly the 380.

The three interviewers, one expat and two locals, actually laughed .....

Never say never though.

Seniority list
 

Question, have you recently checked the seniority list numbers? Because everyone arriving at same time as I did lost about 100 places ie we are more at the bottom of list than when we first arrived in the cie.

Good point man ! No more seniority in EK guys, everybody should know that NOW. I personally lost arround 80 position on the list after 4 years in the company. Who said the new "upgrade policy" will not affect seniority ? LOL

Don't think there is any great conspiracy there guys..prob just cadets joining flight ops after after their ab-initio training. Everybody joins EK with a certain staff number. Nothing to do with seniority for command of course. That seems to have gone out the window a while ago.

As I understand it, senority for cadets starts when they start their type transition on the type they are allocated to, not when they start their training in Australia. Might pay to ask someone for answers as to why you appear to be going backwards on the list.

Actually Cadets get their seniority number much earlier than that. Before they start their CPL in Australia, they have to do a basic aviation and spoken English course, which takes a few months. They get their seniority number as soon as this course starts, since they are then effectively employed by EK.

Not correct Hook. The cadets get there stafnumber when they join. They get there seniority number when they start flying the line under training. Thats why you see some 376 staff numbers on the bodem of the list. These cadets started there linetraining couple of months ago.

Because of this, you can not get a big picture from the seniority list about how many people left the company, there is always a influx of cadets on the list.

I moved up 8 places this month, so some more senior guys must have left.

Off topic, do we already have a new flight safety manager?

But the thing is, do we need a new Flight Safety Manager?

According to the company, we're very safe with our wonderful SOPs, and we don't have a fatigue problem, so let's cut some more costs!

You're right Sanddude. I confused Staff Numbers with seniority numbers.

Gromet failed to be shortlisted as he was found to be too intelligent for the job.

Any truth to the story of the 2 pilots suspended after showing up for a rostered flight, being stopped by the FDM at the last minute and told they were actually not legal?????

Trader,

Yes, though both now back online. Had to do with not being acclimatised.

Best part was, replacement F/O got to MEL and was then told- "You can't operate back- you were illegal for the trip as you were not acclimatised."!!

Why would they be suspended, what did they do wrong besides show up?

You don't have to have done anything wrong to have been suspended, merely pointing out that ek have cocked something up or a flaw in procedures is enough. Safety culture? What safety culture??? :{:{

4 flight deck have been removed from roster for having the gall to be resting in the SFO hotel. Seems Air Nav Canada put in a gross nav error report on an EK Flight operating SFO to DXB. Short haul Ed Jr (EGT's FO side kick from the land of the free) fingered the crew of the flight that departed on the date of the report, but some 19hrs after the report time!!!!!! This fact has been bought to ED jrs attention but still these 4 guys are booked for tea and stickies on the 5th with the chief pilot. That will teach them. Also of interest is that the Captain of the reported aircraft has come forward to say "fare cop it was me Gov!!", but this is not enough to put ED jr off the case.

So 4 guys missing out on flight pay, having their names trashed in the widely spread emails about the case, all because this EK management hopeful is too lazy to investigate fully.:yuk:

I am sure a company wide apology will be forthcoming on the 6th!

Well I heard that EGT's sidekick is heading home again :ok::ok::ok:...Another big w*nker less if you ask me. ED and AB heading west. A few more to go and things might clear up...

The good news is that with the new rostering rules of only two regions a month, EK will have the opportunity to sack a number of pilots who have been avoiding the North Atlantic, especially when said pilots look for concise documentation of procedures and expectations for the region.

Well I don't actually think this reported aircraft ever deviated from its flight planned track. I think its more a case of one FIR not sharing the flight plan with other, and when asked where the next point would be the pilot read the legs page lat long that did not show the 30" (wont happen on a bus!!), when the controller noticed the difference in tracking he filed a report (perhaps he was australian ATC trained?).

But good on you for jumping to conclusions there Thazright. I am pretty sure there is a management job waiting for you ya muppet!!!

Don

" Ya Muppet" That's funny :)

IXNAT

Think you'll find it's no more than 2 of the same destination each month, not region. Big difference! But hey, as with much on this forum, why let facts get in the way of a good bitch and moan.

Harry

You won't find this if you read Flight Ops Weekly Update #68 of 15th October.

Or maybe....possibly......kind of.......you never know...........they are running interference against AAR! Issue the FCI to keep him happy but don't really implement it.

EK Press Release: Profit for First Half
 

On the EK staff website today. Bigger profit than last year this time..... So I guess management will have a big bigger bonus than last year!:{

Well the increase in half year profits just goes to show each of those weekly updates was a lie. The management meeting was a lie. I should have been here long enough to realise that before now.

Never again will I believe a word from their mouths. Single engine taxi, reverse idle, min fuel F**k YOU TCAS & co.

And I quote:

''There is more to life than work''

I agree, but you can't live in a shack feeding you family on bread and jam for the rest of your life, so the option of just walking off without a job lined up is not an option for most. Unless of course you have a large sum of money in the bank.

Still, even that doesn't guarantee happiness. I've got over 5 million dollars in the bank, but I was just as happy when I had 3 million. ;)