I think DXb -London was 10 a day prior to covid @ 90% 9-380 1-777 ? LGW 380? I lost track, avoided as much as I could .

Well this does not look good!


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...613a78ce4f1c7e

Some people here fail to understand that loads don't mean much. Yields are far more important. If the break even load factor is above 100% flying aircraft full is pretty much charity at the moment. A simple equation works for any airline: revenues minus costs should equal a positive number. I guess it's not the case for any airline business model at the moment. In this respect EK might have been much more profitable in the current environment than RYR for instance as cost of available ton mile is lower than the cost of available seat mile and revenue is much higher. However 115 A380s seating on the ground don't produce anything and are still factored in the fixed costs (I guess a large part of it).

Yes, 6 380 LHR, 3 380 LGW and a 777 to STN.

Can't shut the world down forever! Australia is already suffering the biggest economic hit since the Second World War according to some figures. You're gonna have to learn to live with this thing; unlike your premiers who are intent on eradicating it!

EricH I think we understand the yield, however we dont have visibility of the yield, where we have visibility of load factor. We have to make reference to what we know.

Now 2x 777 and 1x 380 to LHR. Even if those were 100% full ( which is not the case ) it is still way way down on the pre Covid. Much of the flying is to maintain a presence and availability for ‘when’ the world see’s sense again and people decide to fly again

Of course.. It's going to take 3 to 5 years to get back to previous levels. IMHO.

Spot on WK. It looks like Australia have visions of being Covid free prior to any form of vacine. And lets say they accomplish that in the next few months. Whats next. Life like Matt Damon in the Martian. Living in a bubble? Maybe that's what the authorities want - but the greater threat of a population loosing their mind should be heeded!

White Knight and CRDW are spot on.

We are being taken for a ride. The rug pulled from underneth our feet by our so called leaders who we are meant to trust.

We are slidding into poverty and desperation.

As a matter of interest- what else should you tell them? Daddy has lost his job, no fault of his own, and, yes, life does go on. At a lower standard of living.

Spoken like someone focused on one metric and none of the others, Eradication is a very unlikely scenario, but living where I am in NZ, we are controlling what we can and not focusing on the so-called economic metric. Afew other metrics to consider.

A patient with COVID who needs intensive care support casts around NZ$3000 per day at the bare minimum. About 1/3 of COVID patients end up with significant damage, which will cause reduced productivity for their remaining years, as well as greater health cost.

There are a finite number of ICU beds, but more importantly as places like the US and the UK have found out, there is equally a finite number of staff; you cannot have all your beds full - and is you do it costs tax payers a fortune.

Yes, NZ is closed to non-NZ residents (unless they have a significant contribution to make to the NZ economy), but the spending this July was only 1% less than July last year. We are living our lives, we are spending money locally. More importantly, our exports are going out to countries that want them. Yes, we have spent a fortune supporting business during our lockdown, but your assertion that countries, like Australia, are in bad shape is incorrect. Places like the US have massive unemployment because they didn't act with appropriate diligence. The majority of NZ are happy to have closed borders because we are safe and we want to look out for each other.

thanks for a logical rhetoric - maybe it’s time globalization changes its form. But let’s also not forget the topic of this thread - it’s isn’t about what our governments are doing / for that please open a different thread. This is what EK is doing with regards to covid and our thoughts to our colleagues effected.

from this thread perspective - expect some updates monthly news for August Monday onwards once the Eid holiday has calmed down a bit.....

I disagree. The original statement is valid. YOU CAN"T SHUT DOWN THE WORLD FOREVER. My advice would be not to swallow the media propaganda so readily. If we remain on this path (and no miracle vaccine materialises) we are headed for a social disaster. NZ and Australia look destined to lose another summer of tourism trade. That will bite the economy's hard as many industry's rely on that dollar. When employer subsidies end you will see an explosion in unemployment. I'll put it in a brutal tone.... you can't save every life. Those that state every life is precious really needs to get a grasp on reality. I suspect most NZ'ers are joining in on the government willy waving contest. The lives of those being severly impacted by these restrictions are ignored, thats how propaganda operates.

There is a lot of thread drift.....I dont see how Australian and NZ policies are anything to do with Emirates layoffs.

Perhaps because the border lockdowns have directly contributed to the worldwide travel crisis. But you have a point that its the nature of the layoffs that is the issue and not the requirements for layoffs. I concur that the nature of how it was done is downright underhand.

So I will come in here. The lock downs have caused a travel crisis ? True. But why is it such a big thing? The lockdowns are ( I hope) saving lives in ( at least ) Australia and NZ. If Ek and others can’t operate 30 flights a week into Australia.. well that could be the new normal . Im on leave here for a month.. I’m in Western Australia. We want to go away for a week. Everything is full. Western Australians are travelling at home.

Overseas travel is finished. For a long time. It’s not coming back. Even if I wanted to go overseas ( if I was allowed to).. no insurance company will cover me.

Im sorry.. but as much as you hope for that things will go back to how they were.. with 100 EK jets departing around the world between midnight and six am.... it’s over for a long time.

IMHO

From my POV I have immediate family in Australia, the UK, the UAE and my home is in continental Europe. I need to travel, and in this very modern global world SOPS, there are many many thousands like me. For now I bite the bullet, but as I say, travel restrictions cannot last forever because of Covid.

Absolute rubbish......... Make your mind up - long time or not coming back:confused:

You are correct here... It'll take at least five years I'd reckon. But SOPS, your other comment above is just ridiculous! I know many Aussies currently in Oz who wish to travel! But do enjoy your holiday in WA, it is a magnificent state to tour:ok:

Point taken WK. I think what I was trying to say is this.. Just because people want it to go back to ‘normal’.. it won’t. Not for a long time.

Those of us in WA are looking at Victoria going into a total lock down tonight. Most people in WA love our borders shut.

i must admit.. I don’t know one person that I know, that wants to travel overseas at the moment.

Anyway we can agree to disagree 👍

Well if that just doesn't smack of 'I'm alright Jack, sod you lot', I don't know what does. I highly doubt we will be going back to travelling by boat as you seem to allude to. And I just did a quick Google search for travel insurance with covid cover. Counted 5 companies straight up that would cover for expenses related to the disease (but the premium is a killer). You forget also, that EK provides insurance. You may say that's it's not much, but it's start. If/when a vaccine is available, the norm would be far easier to attain as I would guess that inoculation would be a requirement for international travel with a little sticker in the yellow book.

SOPS, I would suggest that your rhetoric would take a slightly different bend if you were still in Dubai employed by EK rather than driving trains in WA.

Fuel-Off :ok:

Assuming the pre Covid hiring rate of about 450 a year minus those who are eagerly can’t wait to return to EK my guess application will be open no later than somewhere between January 21 to April 21 - of course with very different T&Cs plus for those are here still flying very hard times in terms of roasters to bridge the roughly 900 missing pilots in 1,5 years to be hired, trained and sent to the line plus required upgrades.
All of that if STC is right having 100% A380 in April 22