Perhaps they mixed up the Pilots with Nav Bags!?
Very sad stuff going on.

But the nav bag is under 35 .

fatbus: under 35 kg? or the leather younger then 35years?

..mostly to keep the thread alive and fighting the so much "wanted" oblivion..

this is the status quo:
- 2 meetings attended: no tangible results, only promises : "we are going to talk to GCAA,we will talk to HR"; nothing on writing except a dry power point presentation,promised to be distributed ..guess what? we haven't received that yet either...
- guys attending extra PPCs and Hsim to keep currency, as no training slots are available for each one of us:
- no visibility on the future ;
- upgrading 380 FO RRT just at LRC or a couple flight before because they are younger then 35yo;
- 3 380 capts ( why only this 3 has to be explained to me..)have been RRF and put on company DAYOFF because they have < 2000 hrs EK 330/340 PIC...

PPrune is filling with trolls, "astroturfing" emails and PMs are circulating, pretty HR recruitment ladies are filling linkedin post with invitations to join, Jennifer is smiling at us from Y class ( surely thinking how much she got for this new commercial)....

things are going in the direction they were meant to go....down the drain hole...hello tomorrow.

Ok, I have to ask. What has the GCAA got to do with all of this? Is any of this a new GCAA requirement?

Nothing to do with the GCAA.

That's what I thought.mwas just wondering about the comment from my CTWO.... "We will talk to the GCAA'

I will elaborate:

great concerns has been expressed for being issued a A380 P2 license and logging P2; to avoid professional suicide we asked to log P1 with a RHS qualification on aP1 issued license, trying to obtain what the guys flying A319 have, or flying as cruise/relief/augmenting captain....
response was: WE Will talk to GCAA...

Hope now is more clear..

Thanks...best of luck.

If they have any brains they should order brand new A330-300 Regional/B789s.

Why screw pilots and use A380s (or B77Ws or B779s) on less than 4 hour routes guaranteed to bleed money heavily.

Even QR/SV showing rational in deploying right size aircraft, what happened to special skills world class airline management supposed to have.

Key point , not a GCAA requirement. Logging of flight time is totally different. Also "we will talk to the GCAA" = go away , I'm too busy.
All this is EK's own doing , not the first time. Similar to the 310, but most that are effected by this have no history of those events.

indulge me fatbus: what happened then to the 310 guys?

They offered rhs, answer was "we all resign", they offered lhs.
Other times, different pilots...

Hahaha really?

Yep Callone, you are rigth...shame on us!!!
On something else you are rigth: other times.
In those "other times" these different pilots would never join a place like this, because they had a better job in a flag carrier in a first world country... too bad better pilots were here in the "Truman show "...
World economy shafted us... don't know you, but I fell like I have been shafted for the last 25 years.. must be my karma of a different kind of pilot.

to avoid professional suicide

this is professional suicide, guys don't fall into their traps.
The only solution unfortunately seems to exit here asap.
And 18 months is a very long time considering the imagination of the costa muppets. More surprises can be expected during this time and I bet nothing good will come along.

even farther back than the 310, for your amusement
 

25 years ago the company had 3 727s which were about to be mothballed. The 15 or so FO's on that type were given no information about when they might transfer to the A310. Seeing numerous new-hires going straight to the A310 they became sufficiently concerned about their fate that they went in to query the plan.

The 'managment' at that time stated there was no plan for these 727 FOs, they would all be let go as it was obvious to 'management' that someone accustomed to flying something as crude as a 727 could not possibly make the giant leap to something as sophisticated as the A310. Management stated this in terms which made it clear that they were surprised that these FOs had such little understanding of their own personal limitations.

Different times, different pilots. Same management.

But trained some 727 FE's as pilots for the A300/310.........

Big Geordie -

"Different times, different pilots. Same management".

Have to correct you on that - any decisions relating to pilots in those days were made by the then Manager-Flight Ops, an Irish gentleman not known for his people skills, and an English chap whose name now escapes me. Both departed EK many years ago. When the A310 was introduced, about 8/10 ex-Wardair Training Captains from Canada were hired for their 310 experience, one of whom, most definitely not known for his people skills, became head of Training and remained in that position until about 2003 if I recall correctly. These two made all the decisions and policies relating to pilots when the A310 was introduced.

The Management team who were there at the time all reported directly to Sir Maurice. (I believe there were about 12 departmental heads in total, all of whom had mere "Manager" titles, none of this VP/EVP etc stuff then). With the exception of Sir Tim, who had zero input to decisions affecting pilots until many years after the A310 was brought in, and the head of Inflight Services, all of those Managers were gone by 1999.

So - same management? Style perhaps, but individuals, definitely not.

7B

I meant same style of management. The people change but nothing else does. Except, as you pointed out, the inflated titles. Must be a Middle East thing.

New 2 level pay scale on the career web site.... amusing...

please waste 2 min on this post

first a little conclusion:

we downgrade expierenced 330/340 Comander to RHS
Ex 330/340 FO or short term CAPO are not good enough to be 380 capo

FO under the age of 34/35 not good enough to be comander

We hire

3000hr on 10T / 2000hr on 20T
DEC from 320/737 to B777

we pay a higher base salary to new joiners

Now please observe FCI Lifus

Updrager 10 Lifus flights
DEC 10 lifus flights

Fleet transfer 20 Lifus flights

so an EX easy/ryan/wizz or what so ever comander DEC needs less training than a EK 330/340 skipper and only the same like a upgrader.

please go now to the last page and read who is the originator:

yes you read right it is a DEC with just 3 or 3.5 years in EK (properly just 2000hr in EK) obviously having a steep career and now ????????

thanks for your time

WB1900, the way I read the FCI, the 20 sectors is only for NaC combined with a fleet transfer. Captains transferring fleet as captains need only 10 sectors as usual.

I don t know what they are smoking up there but must be really good, so they did two meetings explaining that a new requirement of experience on type before operating as a captain has been introduced/implemented and a week later they release an FCI which states the LIFUS requirements for a fleet transfer with combined upgrade.

I didn't do the maths, but isn't the flight pay included in the salary on the career website? So it might look higher than what it is for current pilots.

I did the maths and they are paying Level 2 joiners higher than current employees, who have the Level 2 requirements.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

QUOTE"Originally Posted by north flyer

I was hired in June of 2008, I am in my 9th year.

I am an F/O by choice, my base pay is 30,405 AED and flight pay is 55 AED an hour, that equals 35,080 AED per month.

Emirates is willing to paying 9th year F/O salary for a level 2 F/O, not a bad deal, wish they had that when I joined, not sure about the year of captain pay, but I would guess it is about the same."

he is right:

we used to have 1 salary scale: you get hired you are on step 1, when you are upgraded you jump 10 steps (suppose after 4 yrs = you go step 14). DEC get hired step 13 to start with.. we used to have 22 step increment for captain (step 14 to 35) and 13 for FOs(FO cannot go higher then step 13)...this new "thing" change the prospective...wonder if a new hired FO is aware that if he does not upgrade in 4yrs (very unlikely) he will be shafted....hello tomorrow

Has happened before. Around 2003/4 they hired DECs on 4th year Capt scale (eq. 16th), if i remember correctly.

Whatever the situation dictates (lack of suitable applicants or pressure from insurance) they will simply adapt regardless of what the loyal staff have actually.

CTWO the new hire on level 2 isn't shafted in four years if not upgraded. His earnings over that period are still greater than a level 1.

Fair enough....

Glowy you remember correctly, I was training a few of these guys and was pissed off they got paid more than me at the time....

..and the november roster came out...and with a quick touch of magic wand ,here I am....FO again...what a rewarding satisfaction...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

..BTW..still holding my breath,waiting for JA's guarantee letter...

P1 is still on your license. You should treat this as the end of your P1 contract and just find a new one. There are some good ones out there. NEVER go back P2. Guarantees don't exist in aviation. Good luck with your decision... it's a tough one, but so obvious to me...
Keep Discovering

Please don't tell me that a "guarantee" from JA is worth the paper it's written on. Nothing written on EK paper is guaranteed. The only thing guaranteed is the fact that EK WILL get a lot worse.

Just wondering how the advert for DEC onto the B777 ties into the new requirement for internal upgrades ?
There seems to be no age requirements stated, only hours, and what about the requirement for current A330/340 Capts. to complete a certain number of PPC's and Manual Handling sessions before being deemed suitable for the "Review" for upgrade onto the A380.
Surely the newbies should also face the same, bearing in mind that the B777 flies into certain highly entertaining parts of the world now.
The general message appears to be that EK don't trust the pilots they have trained to do the job, but pilots trained elsewhere are ok.

Makes sense though. The others have not been intimidated, threatened, brainwashed and worked to death into scared zombies.

You reap what you sow and EK almost has to import its edible food now, because the home grown stuff tastes badly ....

..scary and absolutely true...

Level 2 gets a higher salary which translates into:
- Higher EOSB or contribution to the provident ( times all these years )
- Higher sick pay
- Higher rate of holiday pay
- Higher loss of licence payment ( A level 1 pilot's health having served longer, is worth less because of his basic salary )
- Higher possibility of financing home purchase.

Basically the implications of the unfair system are extensive and should be at least considered by level 1 guys. Level 2 beware, level 3 could be on his way sooner than you think.

Multiply that by x number of years without any promotion of things were to turn sour, and that makes the true impact of such scale even more obvious.

.... now counting the days and happy in a way to see that my decision was right,