It must be a sign!.....if you can't get the form filled in maybe you are not meant to come here.
morale is at an all time high right now and Ed and TCAS really have things sorted out with commands etc!
why would you want to be filling in that form in the first place:ugh:
good luck...dont say you weren't warned

pissedoffpilotek.

Mate I feel your name says it all.

You have no idea for what or why I am going to EK. If you are there and jumping back to the UK GOOD LUCK.

The game is horses for courses, there was an old addage "can't take a joke shouldn't have joined."

Apart from that thanks for the concern.:E
Alwayz

Sorry wasn't clear mate. Meant it in me and my collegues particular case. We are loosing our A340 jobs at year end and EK is an option for us.
Cheers

Ok now I'm with you NG Kaptain. Are you guys with BWIA by any chance? They are the only outfit I know who are closing down. All the best to you mate, if I were you I would certainly apply to EK as they do require a substancial amout of crew.
Best wishes
A340Jock

Emirates Interview Process
 

Can anyone give me any details with regards to the Emirates Interview Process???

Many Thanks !!!

Hi, If you'll browse the forum you can find lots of informations about the process..

EK training
 

Besides everything else that is being said about EK, how is the quality of training?

There is no training department at EK. Only a checking department with a lot of Aussies that like to nit pick every little painfully small detail but they can't help it that is where they come from. If you come get ready to do a lot of studying on your own and to be fully knowlegeable on the day of your training session.

Well for one thing,and that comes from the horse's mouth.

Variable.

Right now it's moving towards quantity rather than quality.

Recently a junior training post was created to allow new Captain's the chance to join the Training department. New Captain's meaning new Captain's, not guys with previous command or Training experience with other operators.

The reasons? Not enough guys with the required CAR (JAR parallel) command experience putting themselves forward for Training positions. Aircraft arriving at the rate of one a month and more than that soon. Five instructors leaving the company from one fleet in September alone. And so on.

Obvious solution. Lower the entry requirements for Training positions by introducing a home grown qualification for Line training duties only.

Sorted.

wtf

What Training
 

Bring lots of pens for form filling, that is the order of the day.

Tell me where apart from JAL (where you have to learn Japanese) does it take 6 months to do a transition upgrade and 3 months for a normal one, lets not talk about the so called short courses on joining for already type rated and wait for it, current pilots.

The sad thing is that they actually think they are one of the best training departments in the world. I don't blame them it is just the nature of the beast. Imagine only worked for two airlines ever, one tin pot bush outfit (NO offence mates) and EK. Now Captain God, no exposure to different concepts, do as I say cause my way is the only way, gets in to training, other Capts won't say anything and FO's HAVE to keep shut if they harbour any ambitions of upgrade, mix well, what have you got, NOTHING and I mean nothing. There is no training!!!!! Study in your own time, bend like a reed in the Sim as there is no standard (everyone has their little thing which is so important, NOT):ugh:

Come on EK, we want to be a world class airline so lets have some world class training, where debate is cherished as a form of learning and not punished as a form of disent. Where even the most experienced (in EK anyway) trainer can learn something new and useful from a mere cadet and not have to try and discredit it to save face.

LOFT = Line Oriented Flying TRAINING :D

Not

LOFT = Line Oriented Flying CHECKING (lets see how many items we can cram into one session):=

The sand is fast disappearing so get your heads out of it and do something.:ok:

Enough Said.

Aircav
 

Well written, and unfortunately so true

Do EK allow FOs to be SFI ?

The LOFT = Line Oriented Flight CHECKING is not only an EK issue... I will say most of the time it depends a lot on the background / attitude of the trainer himself...

Ofcourse if you`re a DEC there`s no LOFTS, no FOM/tech test and on your profchecks they will get you the support you need(even get you through it). And you`ll earn 1.5 times more.
If you`re a FO, more than 3 years in the company, you`ll have to do an interviewproces which consists of multiple psychometric tests, a FOM/tech exam, a command evaluation, the groundschool, 3 failsim`s, 3 Lofts and a check, a linecheck and a check within 3 months.
During your profchecks you`re holding the hand of the DEC and digest all the comments at the end with `O, I see`. The highest grade is ofcourse not for the FO`s unless your mothertongue is English and you can recide from the worst ever written FOM in the history of aviation.
You will learn how to be a training captain by means of off the record training material in abundance on the Australian market (if you can get a hold of it).
This initiation period is not ment to be a learnfull . It is to see if you can play the game, go thru the mud and than drink untill you fall flat on your face. Then you`re `one of the boys`.
It`s a bit like it was before the war, I guess

Training/checking by nature is not an enjoyable experience for most Pilots because we are generally perfectionists or think we should be perfect at our jobs. That is why we survive long enough to get to where we are.
So when you ask some one how is the training... you will have to search hard to find either an exceptional pilot who never does anything wrong, or some one with no fear of making mistakes and just doesn't care to get a possitive answer more times than not.
Unfortunately I have to agree with most of above comments there are too many TRIs that think they are TREs and are way to quick to sink the boot in. I believe they believe they are helping and doing the right thing but have just forgotten what the "I" stands for in TRI........Instruction!!!
The simuator and the briefing time allocated is not intended as a vehical for spoon feeding trainees, if you are subjected to 1 1/2 hours of system/proceedures lecture prior to a sim you will waste most of the sim session becase the trainees will be brain dead.
Questions during this time are only to help determine what the instructor needs to focus on with the trainees.
The session in the sim should ideally be an relaxed environment where the crew can maximise their learning potential.
That is how new instructors are currently taught to do it, and I believe the TRI instructional program is actually very good if not one of the best.

How your TRI will be after being overworked and under appreciated consistantly is anyones guess though. Just like the rest of the line pilots.

The new requirements for instructors were brought about to ensure that line training Captains had sufficient time/experience on the line training system prior to instructing in the SIM and to develop a surplus of training captains to cover surges in demand. I am not sure how much influence the lesser pay structure had in this system, if any.

Currently ground instructors are undergoing sim training to qualify them to run TRI sim sessions, I hope it works! However I think it will take a long time yet.

what bothers me is the eternal "i know it's c**p, against common sense and if this happens on the line we all would handle it differently, but ......"
this is an insult to our professionalism, send it back south.

:confused:

While I wholeheartedly agree with most of SWs post, the last bit I take issue with. I firmly believe that you need to be practiced at flying/operating the real aircraft in a modern-day aviation environment to be able to deliver quality SFI/TRI instruction.

If you attempt to train/qualify a ground instructor to perform an SFI/TRI-type function you might as well go the whole hog and send trainees home with a customised version of Microsoft Flight Sim and get them back in for a PPC a couple of weeks later.

Head down and tin hat on!

What`s your point Mutley, standing on the side and commenting? Nothing better to do?
The training as it is in EK is a far cry from anything that is acceptable for a company who thinks of their standards `as one of the best in the industry`.
And I don`t give a rat`s ### whether that`s proper English or not.

I hope you are pissed mutley as otherwise your post is out of character. New trainers here are either skippers with 6 months total experience as a captain (i.e. have NOTHING to offer as a trainer) or DEC who know NOTHING about our operation and have a similar amount to offer; especially to EK Captains who have been there and done that.